Add Dwemer race. Add new classes.

Orgrimar

Why not add a dwarven race and another healing/dps class. Maybe a shapeshifting class or one that could viably heal other than Templar.

Thoughts?

Sav72

I can give you a list of things they should fix first before, adding more bugs and problems.


....sorry.

Julianos

remove classes and give us lots of weapon skills and spell crafting

tplink3r1

No, Dwemers are gone.
And please, don't call them dwarves, cause they were not short.

sekou_trayvond

Pretty sure Bethesda (Todd Howard's team) would nix anything regarding the dwemer.

Beth seems adamant that the dwemer remain an in-game mystery and I'm cool with that.

Zouni

Snow elves would likely make a comeback me thinks.

Birdovic

The Lore! Dwemer are gone people ._.

Zouni wrote: »

Snow elves would likely make a comeback me thinks.

Im pretty sure they wont return because they never left. Im sure you dont want to play blind Falmer

Orgrimar

We have elves, we have humans, we need another type of race that gives that middle-earth-type-charm.

Birdovic

Orgrimar wrote: »

We have elves, we have humans, we need another type of race that gives that middle-earth-type-charm.

This is the Elder Scrolls/Were in Tamriel, not middle earth my friend

Ysulyan

There can only be one Dwemer.

Birdovic

Ysulyan wrote: »

There can only be one Dwemer.

Yeah, just because he was lucky (or unlucky depending on where the rest has disappeared to)

Gidorick

Gidorick wrote: »

There have been a few threads in the past few months regarding new races being added to ESO. It is true that there are MANY races that ZOS could introduce, (I go over a few of therm here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149340/hopefully-someday-we-will-travel-all-of-nirn), most aren't exactly lore friendly.

More importantly, though, is that we have a LOT of mileage left in the races we have.

• Sub-Cultures: ZOS could introduce sub_cultures into ESO. With the Reachmen, Ashlanders, Iron Orcs, etc. ZOS could add two or three sub-cultures to each race to act as a sub-race giving us more choices when making our race selection:
  http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/223174/race-sub-culture-concept/p1
• Religion: Then there's the possibility of allowing to align with one of the 16 Daedric Princes or 8 Divines... or some other "deity".
• Bloodlines and Strains: We also have over a dozen different vampire bloodlines, and ten or so Lycanthrope strains.
• Furstocks: Khajiit have 16 different fursocks, 8-10 of which could be playable...
  http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/141710/suggestions-for-an-eventual-khajiit-centric-update/p1
• Scalekins: Argonians have 4 tribal races that COULD be used to add some races...
  http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147221/concept-for-a-future-argonian-centric-update/p1
• Character Creation Options: But honestly what I would like most is a more robust character creator options
  http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/155307/monetization-of-character-creation-concept/p1
• Guilds: Then there's 2 dozen or so guilds that could b be added.
  http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159824/the-guilds-act-a-discussion/p1
• Class Morphs: Or Class morphs that have been suggested many times by @TheShadowScout
  http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2325968/#Comment_2325968
• Mixed-Races: Of course my concept for mixed-race character offspring would offer players an insane amount of options...
  http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153977/eso-character-offspring-a-phylogenetics-concept/p1

I guess my point is... Let's hope for something a little more creative than new races. The Elder Scrolls can offer SO much more than that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/223185/alternatives-to-adding-races-to-eso/p1

Ghrimn

@andypappb16_ESO
Besides being the last of his race, he is sick and bloated from the effects of Corprus disease. I wouldn't call that "lucky".

Birdovic

@Gidorick

As Lore Junkie, I approve

Savos_Saren

They try to keep lore in mind. The Dwemer haven't appeared as a playable race in any of the games. I think it was Oblivion or Morrowind where you actually got to meet "the last dwemer". (A fat spider-esque man)

HOWEVER: If they keep lore in mind- they could add Maormer (Sea Elves), Falmer (Snow Elves- pre blind and shriveled), Igma (Great Apes), Limothiit (Fox-like creatures similar to Khajiit), and Kothringi (Blue-skinned humans).

Falmer are currently underground and "extinct"... but we know that they still exist in their original form. (See: Skyrim)
Limothiit and Kothringi were supposedly wiped out by the Knahaten Flu... but ESO managed to find a loophole for bringing back the Kothringi.

Technically speaking- they can bring back Dwemer, too. They'd just have to use an Elder Scroll to manipulate time... much like the premise of Skyrim. (Accidentally sending Alduin from the past to the future.)

If ZOS did add races- I could easily see Maormer and Igma being added. Hell, I even remember seeing a mention of Minotaurs... but I don't know if they're considered an "intelligent race".

hedna123b14_ESO

Add unicorns and the rainbow staff, and jousting! I want to ride my unicorn and joust with my rainbow staff!

Birdovic

jaburns wrote: »

They try to keep lore in mind. The Dwemer haven't appeared as a playable race in any of the games. I think it was Oblivion or Morrowind where you actually got to meet "the last dwemer". (A fat spider-esque man)

HOWEVER: If they keep lore in mind- they could add Maormer (Sea Elves), Falmer (Snow Elves- pre blind and shriveled), Igma (Great Apes), Limothiit (Fox-like creatures similar to Khajiit), and Kothringi (Blue-skinned humans).

Falmer are currently underground and "extinct"... but we know that they still exist in their original form. (See: Skyrim)
Limothiit and Kothringi were supposedly wiped out by the Knahaten Flu... but ESO managed to find a loophole for bringing back the Kothringi.

Technically speaking- they can bring back Dwemer, too. They'd just have to use an Elder Scroll to manipulate time... much like the premise of Skyrim. (Accidentally sending Alduin from the past to the future.)

If ZOS did add races- I could easily see Maormer and Igma being added. Hell, I even remember seeing a mention of Minotaurs... but I don't know if they're considered an "intelligent race".

Maormer and Dwemer are what Im hoping to see in a upcoming TES, be it VI or VII I dont care. Im really interested in those.
For the Dwemer to "suddenly appear from wherever they went to" somehow and start a war against Tamriel after advancing even further, allowing them crazier dwemer stuff than we know of so far. In case they didnt really die or got lost forever of course.

But even as much I wish for the Maormer to come, I think TES was always centered around the happenings on Tamriel(in the Singleplayer games/ESO, not in Lore) so I doubt we'll see Maormer from Pyandonea or something from Akavir etc.

The only possible scenario I can imagine for TES VI is, the Maormer have managed to gain a foothold and conquered a part of tamriel, this time successfully, basically making them playable (as they are a part of tamriel now).

UrQuan

Orgrimar wrote: »

We have elves, we have humans, we need another type of race that gives that middle-earth-type-charm.

This is an Elder Scrolls game. There are no hobbits, ring-wraiths, (living) dwarves, or Tom frickin Bombadil. Tamriel has its own lore and flavour that's very distinct from that of Middle Earth, and it's better off that way rather than being a Lord of the Rings clone.

Recremen

Orgrimar wrote: »

We have elves, we have humans, we need another type of race that gives that middle-earth-type-charm.

Elder Scrolls is not a watered-down generic fantasy setting, there are no dwarves and even the orcs and elves have more complexity than most other settings. Middle Earth charm is an entirely different set of aesthetics that would not work with this game series.

timidobserver

I personally would not mind Dwemer, but lore people are the road block on that.

Ixtyr

Dwemer...no. Doesn't fit the lore, and no matter how ZOS would try to do it, it wouldn't make sense. Besides, they'd be ruining an incredibly useful storytelling tool. That's unwise.

I don't really want more races. We have the core 10. I agree with @Gidorick, I'd like more customization, more subcultures, more deity/daedra tie-ins, more class variation, more guilds, etc. That'd be more fitting with the lore, more immersive, and in some cases, actually provide more in the way of changing or improving gameplay than just adding a new playable race.

While we're on the subject - no more classes either, please? Give more abilities or morphs within the existing ones, but 4 is plenty when they're so versatile.

Gidorick

@jaburns, I agree that ZOS could add new races by using lore loopholes... and the biggest loophole of them all is Tamriel itself. Lore enthusiasts love to whip out the Knahaten Flu card to explain why the Lilmothiit and the Kothringi CAN'T be in the game, but there is nothing that says they can't be alive and well in another part of Nirn. I explore this idea here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149340/hopefully-someday-we-will-travel-all-of-nirn/p1

But this would be years and years in the future, I would hope.

Shadesofkin

I like knowing that Dwemer are a mystery that fuels a number of adventures and treasure seekers, adding them kills that, stop asking for it.

I'd much prefer to see the bloodlines and cultural offshoots before "new races" and if you're trying to get the classic fantasy feel to this game, you need to realize you're bad and you should feel bad. This is Tamriel, not Middle-Earth. This game has been able to avoid grandpappy tolkien's gaze for quite some time, let's keep it that way.

(Disclaimer: I have nothing against LotR or Tolkien, but not all fantasy needs to mimic his)

Ixtyr

Gidorick wrote: »

@jaburns, I agree that ZOS could add new races by using lore loopholes... and the biggest loophole of them all is Tamriel itself. Lore enthusiasts love to whip out the Knahaten Flu card to explain why the Lilmothiit and the Kothringi CAN'T be in the game, but there is nothing that says they can't be alive and well in another part of Nirn. I explore this idea here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/149340/hopefully-someday-we-will-travel-all-of-nirn/p1

But this would be years and years in the future, I would hope.

Man, I want to go to Akavir so bad...I know ZOS is working on taking us to other planes of Oblivion (Mephala's Realm is currently being developed, we know that much), which will be awesome, but I want to see Akavir, visit Pyandonea, explore whatever ruins may exist of Yokuda or Atmora...damn that would be so cool.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Um.... Do you lore ???

Savos_Saren

@Gidorick

Yup... you've done it again. Awesome post!

GuyNamedSean

I've long been an advocate for sub-cultures and religions, each possibly with their own skills. I roleplay as an Ashlander that mainly worships Boethiah and I wish I could have some gameplay elements to reflect that.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Zouni wrote: »

Snow elves would likely make a comeback me thinks.

Snow elves = Falmer. You know those horrible creatures that try killing you everything you go into a cave in Skyrim. When the Dwemer feed them the mushrooms to take there sight that's all it too was there sight the creatures they are in the 4th era and maybe 2nd era happened over centuries of mutation. Yes in Skyrims DLC dawnguard and you meet "the last snow elf" he said there is a small chance that there maybe more like him priests who avoided the who problem and avoided the mushrooms and maybe 100% normal in some small part of Skyrim. So if ZOS does add some Snow Elf/Falmer thing to ESO it's most likely gonna be a story or quest and not a new race.

Shadesofkin

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

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Zouni wrote: »

Snow elves would likely make a comeback me thinks.

Snow elves = Falmer. You know those horrible creatures that try killing you everything you go into a cave in Skyrim. When the Dwemer feed them the mushrooms to take there sight that's all it too was there sight the creatures they are in the 4th era and maybe 2nd era happened over centuries of mutation. Yes in Skyrims DLC dawnguard and you meet "the last snow elf" he said there is a small chance that there maybe more like him priests who avoided the who problem and avoided the mushrooms and maybe 100% normal in some small part of Skyrim. So if ZOS does add some Snow Elf/Falmer thing to ESO it's most likely gonna be a story or quest and not a new race.

Some cameo's as a quest is fine as far as I'm concerned, but I'd never want to see them as a playable race, it's a great part of lore to run into them in the tunnels below Skyrim.

bryanhaas

Orgrimar wrote: »

Why not add a dwarven race and another healing/dps class. Maybe a shapeshifting class or one that could viably heal other than Templar.

Thoughts?

How does that work in regards to lore?

AngryNord

Orgrimar wrote: »

Why not add a dwarven race

Dwemer have been extinct for hundreds of years