Something Fishy Going on with Critical Strike
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Kyye✭✭✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »
10% Base, 12% Champion Points, 10% Major Savagery, 3% Minor Savagery, 7.5% if 5/7 medium armor, 10.5 if 7/7. We're already at 45.5. Now Khajiits and Nightblades by default have 57.5% crit chance, meaning 7.5% crit is useless and there's nothing we can do. Then precise becomes a dead trait, thief becomes a dead mundus stone, daggers become a dead weapon choice, crit bonuses on gear is wasted. This effectively kills tons of options and forces all builds to follow the same boring path. This is not "cool" nor is it a smart choice to make on their part, especially when they always try to emphasis choice making in character progression/build creation.
Totally have to disagree on this. It makes those choices dead for that race/class combo. It only means you can become stronger in other aspects because crit chance is basically a specialty.XBL GT: CWB Hempire
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whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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The next major update??? This is getting way past out of hand. What happens when you guys destroy a sorcs overload? Hotfix it within a day... What happens when an argonians swim passive isnt working correctly? HOTFIX!!! What happens when skills get nerfed or changed? You get your points back to change your choice. Sadly when it comes to a racial passive, this is not the case. Its bad enough that you guys completely nerfed this race... With NO OPTIONS at all for anyone who rolled cat at launch to change, other than rerolling another character. It is literally offensive at this point to your player base that you have been aware of this MAJOR ISSUE for a third of a year and still have not done anything about it. ISSUES LIKE THIS are why we only have a tiny fraction of the population we did at launch. Let me please remind you @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_BrianWheeler THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE.
Khajiit characters are currently UNABLE to even come close to comparing to every other race in the game right now. REMINDER... This is the only class without an attribute bonus...we don't get the 10 or 6-6 percent bonus to stamina, health or magicka... Currently we have the STEALTH BONUS AND SOME RECOVERY, THATS IT!!! Please fix this passive, or change it back to where it affects crit and damage... OR make the race change possible so people can have an option on what to play pending on how broken some races are! Seriously, everyone knows you guys are all about the crown store, make it 10k crowns for a race change. People will pay it.
HOTFIX THIS PLEASE, was reported to you guys IN THE LAST PTS... now we have to wait until maybe March or April??? Ok cool, no worries there. Khajiits have been completely destroyed for a third of a year... Lets just fix it next patch, all good. Hopefully we wont keep losing our player base because of GAME BREAKING bugs and issues that are set aside for later dates. SADLY I'm pretty sure if adren rush, or spellcharge passives were not working they would be fixed inside a week... No clue where your priorities are at ZOS, but I want this game to succeed. You should listen to your people.
totally agree with this..Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NASpoilerVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3409 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.1 -
Daraugh✭✭✭✭✭So just a thought, because I have a devious sneaky mind, albeit rather slow at times lol. Are they dragging their feet on fixing the crit passive because there's going to be a crit passive as part of the Thieves Guild DLC and it would be too op for Khajiit to have both? Maybe Khajiit are going to have a reworked racial instead?
Disclaimer: Total, unsupported and complete guesswork on my part based on nothing official whatsoever. Not a theory, not a hypothesis, just a guess and one that's got traces of conspiracy theory in it to boot. Y'know the fun kind!May all beings have happiness
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✭So just a thought, because I have a devious sneaky mind, albeit rather slow at times lol. Are they dragging their feet on fixing the crit passive because there's going to be a crit passive as part of the Thieves Guild DLC and it would be too op for Khajiit to have both? Maybe Khajiit are going to have a reworked racial instead?
Disclaimer: Total, unsupported and complete guesswork on my part based on nothing official whatsoever. Not a theory, not a hypothesis, just a guess and one that's got traces of conspiracy theory in it to boot. Y'know the fun kind!
It wouldn't make much sense to break a passive now for a future one, when they could just have reworked our passive for when TG launches. Also they mentioned the TG line would "Improve your thieving abilities" which doesn't sound related to combat at all. My only guess is the only thing in there we could use would be like Legerdemain sneak cost reduction. Who knows though.Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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Daraugh✭✭✭✭✭Oh not that they broke it intentionally, just that it did break and fixing it would be moot.May all beings have happiness
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Seriously, try argonian. At least you have a 20% health recovery and a 10% stamina recovery. What do we have? Swimming, and a passive that is useful only each 45 secs and that is useless when you are out of pots. Ah, and a nicel 10% healing receive bonus that magicaly turns into 5% when jumping into cyrodiil....
The difference here is that at launch Khajiits were the meta for any melee dps... Argonians have been terrible forever, you knew back when you made an Argonian the passives were terrible. Even when the potion passives were powerful, still the worst race choice by far. We had the best race possible for melee dps then it was nerfed big time. Now our MAIN PASSIVE DOESNT WORK, and hasnt worked since November 2nd... Its utterly disgusting that ZOS lets an entire race go OVER A THIRD OF A YEAR completely broken and handicapped. I would honestly just love 10% stamina at this point, or some sort of change regarding stamina or crit damage. Ontop of all the other exploits and bugs that affect combat, I honestly have no idea why people keep quitting the game?0 -
Sparky617✭✭✭I'm not quitting over this, but I'm also not playing my Khajjit characters...... They can hot fix Overload real fast.... why not hot fix mah damn racials?1 -
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✭✭i still use two precise daggers on my nb for crit heals.
is healing effected by the issue in this thread?
i feel bad for you kittys tho
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The next major update??? This is getting way past out of hand. What happens when you guys destroy a sorcs overload? Hotfix it within a day... What happens when an argonians swim passive isnt working correctly? HOTFIX!!! What happens when skills get nerfed or changed? You get your points back to change your choice. Sadly when it comes to a racial passive, this is not the case. Its bad enough that you guys completely nerfed this race... With NO OPTIONS at all for anyone who rolled cat at launch to change, other than rerolling another character. It is literally offensive at this point to your player base that you have been aware of this MAJOR ISSUE for a third of a year and still have not done anything about it. ISSUES LIKE THIS are why we only have a tiny fraction of the population we did at launch. Let me please remind you @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_BrianWheeler THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE.
Khajiit characters are currently UNABLE to even come close to comparing to every other race in the game right now. REMINDER... This is the only class without an attribute bonus...we don't get the 10 or 6-6 percent bonus to stamina, health or magicka... Currently we have the STEALTH BONUS AND SOME RECOVERY, THATS IT!!! Please fix this passive, or change it back to where it affects crit and damage... OR make the race change possible so people can have an option on what to play pending on how broken some races are! Seriously, everyone knows you guys are all about the crown store, make it 10k crowns for a race change. People will pay it.
HOTFIX THIS PLEASE, was reported to you guys IN THE LAST PTS... now we have to wait until maybe March or April??? Ok cool, no worries there. Khajiits have been completely destroyed for a third of a year... Lets just fix it next patch, all good. Hopefully we wont keep losing our player base because of GAME BREAKING bugs and issues that are set aside for later dates. SADLY I'm pretty sure if adren rush, or spellcharge passives were not working they would be fixed inside a week... No clue where your priorities are at ZOS, but I want this game to succeed. You should listen to your people.
Quoting for truth.
People have actually left the game because of this. I know you are lurking @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror . What are you planning to do about Carnage and when will it be fixed ?1 -
Dermestes✭✭ColtPython wrote: »Will this passive be fixed with the thieves guild dlc?
They will be looking at it......so no eta or details.0 -
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They will be looking at it......so no eta or details.
They "looked at it" back in October when Gilliam proved that this main racial passive was not working. @ZOS_GinaBruno actually gave Gilliam positive feedback on his testing and assured him they would be fixing it... They released Orsinium with it still bugged, and then said they would do an incremental patch fix. They have basically ignored all of us for the last 3 months, they don't care. We need more people hitting this forum...0 -
Huggalump✭✭✭✭i don't know much about programming, but there's no way this is that difficult to fix. Especially when the passive was working before.
Wait, was it working before?0 -
jwarren68✭✭✭Just throwing my support onto this thread. I'd very much like this to be fixed as well.0
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✭i don't know much about programming, but there's no way this is that difficult to fix. Especially when the passive was working before.
Wait, was it working before?
Yes it was working before, I threw up some comparison screens earlier in the thread comparing pre and post orsinium patch with the same exact crit chance on my character screen. The difference is quite apparent.Edited by Gilliamtherogue on February 1, 2016 8:50PMOld member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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✭i don't know much about programming, but there's no way this is that difficult to fix. Especially when the passive was working before.
Wait, was it working before?
I think its one of those things that not a ton of people know about, therefore ZOS just doesn't really care. If adren rush, or an imperials stam/health bonuses were not working properly... You can bet they would fix that within the week. We need to start asking more friends to post on this forum, make a bit more of an uprising then we already are. @Gilliamtherogue whats your opinion? I myself am also not huge into programming or developing... Can it be possible ZOS legitimately cannot find a solution?0 -
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I think its one of those things that not a ton of people know about, therefore ZOS just doesn't really care. If adren rush, or an imperials stam/health bonuses were not working properly... You can bet they would fix that within the week. We need to start asking more friends to post on this forum, make a bit more of an uprising then we already are. @Gilliamtherogue whats your opinion? I myself am also not huge into programming or developing... Can it be possible ZOS legitimately cannot find a solution?
Every time this sort of thing happens its a time restraint sort of thing. Min maxing stuff like broken passives is really really low on ZoS's priority list because they feel like they need to spend their resources on "fixing" cyrodiil and making sure new players enjoy the early game to keep playing. So all of the people at the end game get shafted because they think we've already paid what we're worth to them as a company. Even though many players such as myself and my so called "elitest" guild all buy the costumes/mounts and have been subbed to ESO since day 1. Just awful dev decision making is all.Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Just awful dev decision making is all.
This in a nutshell.
Also, for them to nonchalantly dismiss this bug like "meh well do it whenever, no big deal", which is how i interpreted their last quote regarding Carnage, just plain stinks. Really, really awful attitude from ZOS.Edited by Shader_Shibes on February 2, 2016 1:02AM1 -
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✭Shader_Shibes wrote: »
This in a nutshell.
Also, for them to nonchalantly dismiss this bug like "meh well do it whenever, no big deal", which is how i interpreted their last quote regarding Carnage, just plain stinks. Really, really awful attitude from ZOS.
Agree to the fullest... So sad tho... For all the cats out there...0 -
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✭The patch notes mention something being fixed with Dexterity (medium armor passive applying 1.5% crit chance per item worn) as well as the Nightblade passive Pressure Points (2% per assassination ability). It doesn't really add up that these are the issue since all non Khajiit tests I've done seemed fine, but the second they're done on Khajiit crit numbers don't line up. I will do some testing on the PTS when it finally hits and post results here.
Let's try not to get upset before we even get to test.Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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Shader_Shibes✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »The patch notes mention something being fixed with Dexterity (medium armor passive applying 1.5% crit chance per item worn) as well as the Nightblade passive Pressure Points (2% per assassination ability). It doesn't really add up that these are the issue since all non Khajiit tests I've done seemed fine, but the second they're done on Khajiit crit numbers don't line up. I will do some testing on the PTS when it finally hits and post results here.
Let's try not to get upset before we even get to test.
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✭Alright, all of the issues with critical strike are now fixed from the testing I gathered. With a 83.9% crit chance I hit 562 mobs with Steel Tornado and had a 85.1% crit rate. If I find anything in the future that goes against that I'll post again but for now I'm going to say case closed.Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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Huggalump✭✭✭✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »Alright, all of the issues with critical strike are now fixed from the testing I gathered. With a 83.9% crit chance I hit 562 mobs with Steel Tornado and had a 85.1% crit rate. If I find anything in the future that goes against that I'll post again but for now I'm going to say case closed.
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