Something Fishy Going on with Critical Strike

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  • EgoRush
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    Oh @Jeckll thanks for swinging by, it was me musing about weapon crit being broken with you on Tamriel Foundry. Good to see it seems to be the Khajiit passive though. Well, not good for the kitties out there, but at least the issue has been narrowed down and can be addressed by ZOS, whenever they get around to it.
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  • Xantaria
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    Jeckll wrote: »

    Divines on SHIELD - eat that !

    LOL!

    New Shield Crit Cat Meta Confirmed.

    But you would drop 1 dagger.
    Edited by Xantaria on January 6, 2016 5:02PM
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  • Thalmor-Nordmaster
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    Carnage is not applying in Wrothgar. An entire class buff is not working in the one zone where you would want it to work.Has any other follow up or dev made mention of where they are at in regards to a fix ?
  • Gilliamtherogue
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    Carnage is not applying anywhere, not just wrothgar. It is literally not applying 8% crit at all, just to your tooltip.
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  • Thalmor-Nordmaster
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    So my baby cat is broke? And Gilliam thank you for your work both past and present.
  • Gilliamtherogue
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    So my baby cat is broke? And Gilliam thank you for your work both past and present.

    Yep, unfortunately. Once the top DPS race for stamina nightblades, now useless because of this bug. Hoping Monday's patch FINALLY fixes this bug, if it doesn't I will be extremely disappointed.
    Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!

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  • Xantaria
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    Is Stamina OP Again?

    Still Missing Monster Set, Precise Maelstrom Daggers and Maelstrom Bow.

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    Edited by Xantaria on November 29, 2015 11:02PM
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  • whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
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    Yup, still waiting on the fix for the Khajiit Crit "ISSUE", hopefully they do fix this tomorrow with the new patch..
    Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NA
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    VR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3409 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.
  • Ashtaris
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    Can we please have a update on this issue @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_RichLambert?
  • whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
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    Ashtaris wrote: »
    Can we please have a update on this issue @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_RichLambert?

    Yup, still waiting on this being fixed, This Khajiit Player is waiting..
    Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NA
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    VR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3409 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.
  • Thalmor-Nordmaster
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    nothing in patch notes today.
    Edited by Thalmor-Nordmaster on December 1, 2015 1:31AM
  • Ashtaris
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    nothing in patch notes today.

    Yep, I was hoping to find something in the patch notes myself but nothing. The silence from ZOS is deafening.
  • Xantaria
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    It's getting ***.

    WE KNOW THE ISSUE

    BUT *** YOU WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIX IT.

    WE'RE JUST GONNA ACT LIKE THIS ISSUE NEVER EXISTED.
    Edited by Xantaria on December 1, 2015 6:13AM
    Xantaria - Lead of Chimaira
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  • Thalmor-Nordmaster
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    So true Xantaria.
  • whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
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    Lets just hope they are working on a fix for it..
    Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NA
    Spoiler
    VR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3409 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.
  • Shader_Shibes
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    Yeah c'mon @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_RichLambert, this is well overdue a fix and is gimping a lot of peoples builds.
  • duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO
    well last patch this year is this next Monday it seems
    <keeps claws crossed for a fix then>
  • Gilliamtherogue
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    well last patch this year is this next Monday it seems
    <keeps claws crossed for a fix then>

    Gina hinted at the fact that this would likely be fixed with Thieves Guild, so I'm not really going to get my hopes up. This entire bug has crushed all my drive to continue to push for times in competitive PvE. The fact that bugs like this exist and ZoS lets them stick around this long shows how much they care about their competitive aspects (PvP included).
    Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!

    Have questions? Send me a message on the forums or my other social media. Seeing people learn is my dream and passion.

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  • Thalmor-Nordmaster
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    Gilliam
    I wish it was not so. Everyone who is affected seems to just accept it.This is the only thread on the subject.For now I am going to focus on collecting gold tempers and wax. And possibly make another Max Crafter.These continued delays and limited communications really test ones perseverance.
  • whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
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    Gina hinted at the fact that this would likely be fixed with Thieves Guild, so I'm not really going to get my hopes up. This entire bug has crushed all my drive to continue to push for times in competitive PvE. The fact that bugs like this exist and ZoS lets them stick around this long shows how much they care about their competitive aspects (PvP included).

    I know right, Hello ZOS fix your S#!& already, a fix with Thieves guild that could be in like 4 months, this should be hotfixed point blank as it affects a whole race , Khajiit are supposed to get 8% Crit and it's not working (of course it shows on the tool tip but the numbers are not there) .. I unsubbed my PC account.. you want my sub back on PC then fix it already. PS4 account will be unsubbed next in one month if not fixed..
    Signed, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NA
    Spoiler
    VR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3409 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. All Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.
  • Malmai
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    We need fix ! @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_RichLambert !
  • xANTIxMATTERx
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    Please fix this :(
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  • Gilliamtherogue
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    Looks like we've been left in the dust till next year. A green even commented on all the known bugs thread and commented on every single bullet point except, "Critical Strikes (General): The Khajiit Passive that grants you up to 8% crit does not work for Weapon Crit. Detailed Thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/225511/something-fishy-going-on-with-critical-strike/p1". Fitting that they choose to ignore that point, just as they've ignored this thread. I literally have done all the work for you, like many of the bugs I report with multiple pages of information on how to replicate, and the problem still remains unresolved. I am completely fed up with the responses I've been met with whenever I submit issues. I pour my heart into this game with the effort I put forth in trying to help players understand and enjoy, as well as giving clear and concise bug reports whenever I find them; to help you, ZoS, to make this game more enjoyable for everyone. It's not like I'm asking you to go out into the void and find one little problem to be fixed, so honestly, get your s**t together.
    Edited by Gilliamtherogue on December 7, 2015 8:45PM
    Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!

    Have questions? Send me a message on the forums or my other social media. Seeing people learn is my dream and passion.

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  • Ashtaris
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    Yeah, I noticed the silence from Gina in the Known Issues/Bugs thread about this topic. It seems like it's being swept under the rug and we will be just left to suffer another broken skill. I guess the only thing we can do is keep bumping this thread once in awhile with the HOPE they will actually do something about it in the future.
  • Thalmor-Nordmaster
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    It probably was not accidental. They most likely do not know how to fix it and are to embarrassed to admit it.
  • FooWasHere
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    @Gilliamtherogue , do I take it that weapon crit >50% in general now works but it's the Khajiit passive that's still broken? I'm a bit confused as you initial post says "While naked I'm at 30% crit, which is accurate when I did the testing for that. ", indicating that Carnage then worked.

    Thanks!
    -Foo
  • Nifty2g
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    Looks like we've been left in the dust till next year. A green even commented on all the known bugs thread and commented on every single bullet point except, "Critical Strikes (General): The Khajiit Passive that grants you up to 8% crit does not work for Weapon Crit. Detailed Thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/225511/something-fishy-going-on-with-critical-strike/p1". Fitting that they choose to ignore that point, just as they've ignored this thread. I literally have done all the work for you, like many of the bugs I report with multiple pages of information on how to replicate, and the problem still remains unresolved. I am completely fed up with the responses I've been met with whenever I submit issues. I pour my heart into this game with the effort I put forth in trying to help players understand and enjoy, as well as giving clear and concise bug reports whenever I find them; to help you, ZoS, to make this game more enjoyable for everyone. It's not like I'm asking you to go out into the void and find one little problem to be fixed, so honestly, get your s**t together.
    @ZOS_GinaBruno you're probably not the person to tag but honestly this is true, whoever is in control this was posted in the PTS section and it was waited for months to get fixed and was pushed to the next major update.
    This is an issue directly affecting a racial passive. Why is a race breaking bug left alone? There is no possible excuse as to why an issue like this is swept under and ignored till a major update. Ridiculous
    #MOREORBS
  • Gilliamtherogue
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno you're probably not the person to tag but honestly this is true, whoever is in control this was posted in the PTS section and it was waited for months to get fixed and was pushed to the next major update.
    This is an issue directly affecting a racial passive. Why is a race breaking bug left alone? There is no possible excuse as to why an issue like this is swept under and ignored till a major update. Ridiculous

    Not even to mention that the Argonian passive issue where spending the points in water prevented you from gaining the swim bonus was HOT FIXED within a week of the report, even though it affected maybe a handful of people who had done that, compared to literally every Khajiit... #priorities
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  • Gilliamtherogue
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    FooWasHere wrote: »
    @Gilliamtherogue , do I take it that weapon crit >50% in general now works but it's the Khajiit passive that's still broken? I'm a bit confused as you initial post says "While naked I'm at 30% crit, which is accurate when I did the testing for that. ", indicating that Carnage then worked.

    Thanks!
    -Foo

    There were two stages of this bug, the first stage was when crit was seemingly capped aroung 50-60%, likely due to a battle leveling issue that I mentioned where it would require more critical rating to gain 1% than intended. After the battle spirit bug outside of Cyro was fixed, it turned into what it is now, where a large chunk of crit was missing. Due to critical's chance nature sometimes this appears as somewhere near a 6% loss, and sometimes a 10% loss, fluctuating between and very ocassionaly, past those values. That makes 8% a prime candidate in my secondary testing, and then when this was pushed to live I had a very large pool (10-20 players) also provide detailed recounts in which I noticed all non-Khajiit players' crit was where it should be, and only Khajiits having incorrect crit.

    TLDR; Khajiit passive broken, everyone else is fine. If you find multiple sources of evidence that go against that, please post them here so I may examine them.
    Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!

    Have questions? Send me a message on the forums or my other social media. Seeing people learn is my dream and passion.

    Guides and other fun videos at https://youtube.com/c/gilliamtherogue
  • Thalmor-Nordmaster
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    Well it seems the Khajiit have been declawed.

    Sad Kitties everywhere
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