How is it possible to get 3 wrecking blows in 1 hit/2seconds?

jelliedsoup

Is my lag really that bad?

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Can those of us with a terrible connection opt out of losing stones. Farming and then losing them to lag is just time wasting and annoying.
It doesn't encourage people from other worlds (outside of the US)to play.

notimetocare

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Is my lag really that bad?

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Can those of us with a terrible connection opt out of losing stones. Farming and then losing them to lag is just time wasting and annoying.
It doesn't encourage people from other worlds (outside of the US)to play.

LOL what? Opt out of losing stones?

jelliedsoup

notimetocare wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Is my lag really that bad?

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Can those of us with a terrible connection opt out of losing stones. Farming and then losing them to lag is just time wasting and annoying.
It doesn't encourage people from other worlds (outside of the US)to play.

LOL what? Opt out of losing stones?

Lol my bad..

Opt out of gaining or losing.

UltimaJoe777

It's no secret that lag kills, and when lag kills it can cost ya. It is unfortunate but it is not exactly Zenimax's responsibility to compensate for a little lag, unless it is server-side, but even then good luck getting it lol

DeanTheCat

Sounds like a lagspike to me. What happens is that some packets were lost en-route between your client and the ZoS' servers, thereby causing a desync. By the time that you are actually resync-ed, it's usually 3-4 seconds later. That's more then enough time to get in 3 Wrecking Blows. As your state was not synced to you, the damage appears to come all at once, and yea...

I'd still highly recommend stealthing around 95% of the time. You can't be hit when you can't be seen, and attacking from stealth allows you to choose a time where you are not having a lagspike. Also, stack Weapon Damage . You want to kill them before your ping kills you.

jelliedsoup

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

It's no secret that lag kills, and when lag kills it can cost ya. It is unfortunate but it is not exactly Zenimax's responsibility to compensate for a little lag, unless it is server-side, but even then good luck getting it lol

I dont expect compensation, I would prefer the option to opt out.

cjthibs

jelliedsoup wrote: »

It doesn't encourage people from other worlds (outside of the US)to play.

Are you a Martian? Or a Saturnian?

Valrien

cjthibs wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

It doesn't encourage people from other worlds (outside of the US)to play.

Are you a Martian? Or a Saturnian?

Or a Sontaran?

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Is my lag really that bad?

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Can those of us with a terrible connection opt out of losing stones. Farming and then losing them to lag is just time wasting and annoying.
It doesn't encourage people from other worlds (outside of the US)to play.

People on PC are using macros, they bind a attack to auto attack, its like a double hit, I know cause I do it, cant beat them join them, so until ZEN adds a GCD on all skills and auto attacks players will exploit, or working as intended as ZEN claims, which is bull IMO.

If you have a programmable mouse or keyboard I will be happy to show you, just inbox me.

DeanTheCat

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Is my lag really that bad?

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Can those of us with a terrible connection opt out of losing stones. Farming and then losing them to lag is just time wasting and annoying.
It doesn't encourage people from other worlds (outside of the US)to play.

People on PC are using macros, they bind a attack to auto attack, its like a double hit, I know cause I do it, cant beat them join them, so until ZEN adds a GCD on all skills and auto attacks players will exploit, or working as intended as ZEN claims, which is bull IMO.

If you have a programmable mouse or keyboard I will be happy to show you, just inbox me.

A macro will not allow you to achieve 3 Wrecking Blows in two seconds. The game engine will simply not allow it. There is already a GCD on abilities and light attacks:

Light Attack GCD: 1.3 seconds (You can cut this down to 1.05 seconds with Weighted). Half value for bows and restoration staves

Ability: 1.3 seconds

Ultimate: No GCD

Bash: 0.5 seconds

Each of these abilities run on their own separate cooldown, and the priority list from highest to lowest is:

1. Bash
2. Block
3. Ultimate
4. Ability
5. Light/Heavy Attack

This means that you can cancel a Light Attack with an ability, and the ability with an ultimate and the ultimate by a bash. What this will not allow you to do however, is cancel ability with another ability, especially when cast-times come into play. As Wrecking Blow is an ability with a 0.9 second cast time, you cannot start casting another Wrecking Blow till the cast time is complete and the GCD has been respected.

Therefore, it is impossible to land 3 wrecking blows in 2 seconds. This only appears to be possible due to lag and latency, as I explained in my previous post.

Itoq

Regarding the titular question - ESO net code is less than top notch even with excellent latency between the client and server.

There are several scenarios in which animations and or sounds are not played at all, not loaded at all, loaded and played late, the animation is played but not the sounds, the sound is played but not the animation...

All of those issues are potentially in a worse state when, at the time that the actions are performed, the other character(s) is not fully loaded onto your client, has come out of hiding and/or is behind or to the sides of your character.

On top of these net code issues is that animations can be clipped or effectively cancelled by players as well.

ZOS tweaked this stuff for a few patches around the middle of last year and then apparently gave up.

Sausage

You dont need to get stones, you can buy materials from auction houses. Actually I could make some money, PM if you want to buy some from PS4 EU. I charge 1k per material, I can sell like 500.

Vangy

Sausage wrote: »

You dont need to get stones, you can buy materials from auction houses. Actually I could make some money, PM if you want to buy some from PS4 EU. I charge 1k per material, I can sell like 500.

LOL sneaky trader for the win.

Anhedonie

I've seen people using 7 surprise attacks in a second using macro and other soft.

rfennell_ESO

It's a lag exploit.

The lag is on their end and induced intentionally and this type of exploit is as old as online computer gaming.

You can usually see them briefly go into a link dead state (just standing there, no animations) and then they warp into action as the game responds by trying to execute the lagged commands.

ZOS really needs to stop it, but they keep pretending it doesn't happen. I suspect it is now being logged though, as anyone using the wykkyd gear swap knows when too many commands are issued in too short of a time you get a warning message.

Bhakura

When theres a zerg blob around sometimes my wb lags out too. Then im thinking crap missed another wb only to see my target flying up in the air half a minute later.

jelliedsoup

It is interesting as many of those players who would be regarded as good seem to benefit from lag.

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO

DeanTheCat wrote: »

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Is my lag really that bad?

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Can those of us with a terrible connection opt out of losing stones. Farming and then losing them to lag is just time wasting and annoying.
It doesn't encourage people from other worlds (outside of the US)to play.

People on PC are using macros, they bind a attack to auto attack, its like a double hit, I know cause I do it, cant beat them join them, so until ZEN adds a GCD on all skills and auto attacks players will exploit, or working as intended as ZEN claims, which is bull IMO.

If you have a programmable mouse or keyboard I will be happy to show you, just inbox me.

A macro will not allow you to achieve 3 Wrecking Blows in two seconds. The game engine will simply not allow it. There is already a GCD on abilities and light attacks:

Light Attack GCD: 1.3 seconds (You can cut this down to 1.05 seconds with Weighted). Half value for bows and restoration staves

Ability: 1.3 seconds

Ultimate: No GCD

Bash: 0.5 seconds

Each of these abilities run on their own separate cooldown, and the priority list from highest to lowest is:

1. Bash
2. Block
3. Ultimate
4. Ability
5. Light/Heavy Attack

This means that you can cancel a Light Attack with an ability, and the ability with an ultimate and the ultimate by a bash. What this will not allow you to do however, is cancel ability with another ability, especially when cast-times come into play. As Wrecking Blow is an ability with a 0.9 second cast time, you cannot start casting another Wrecking Blow till the cast time is complete and the GCD has been respected.

Therefore, it is impossible to land 3 wrecking blows in 2 seconds. This only appears to be possible due to lag and latency, as I explained in my previous post.

The OP is confusing 3 Wreaking Blows with light attacks , with a macro you can bind ability skill with light attack so they go off almost together forcing in attack weaving via macro.

https://youtu.be/DJxYFLVu3WI

Forestd16b14_ESO

Lag or animation cancelation.

AhPook_Is_Here

Gaming on Mars is tough. 54.6m km, @~300km/s = ~180sec lag.

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO

https://youtu.be/DJxYFLVu3WI

Made a video using my macro to force left light attacks with Surprise Attack.

t.claudio.usnub18_ESO

It's only a matter of time before it gets nerfed, I think ZEN should lock out all mouse attacks when using any skill this will put a stop to animation cancelation and macro makers to give them a unfair advantage, this character that I filmed the video is a V3 NB and you can see I just did close to 7k dps , I ripped through over 15k health in less then 3 seconds.

Thymos

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Is my lag really that bad?

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Can those of us with a terrible connection opt out of losing stones. Farming and then losing them to lag is just time wasting and annoying.
It doesn't encourage people from other worlds (outside of the US)to play.

So you don't enjoy playing the game and feel like it is a chore to play the game when you're collecting stones?

Armitas

Anhedonie wrote: »

I've seen people using 7 surprise attacks in a second using macro and other soft.

There was a button you could press on your keyboard that would manually induce lag which allowed this to be possible. That was supposedly fixed before IC even though the button still makes lag. They basically macro'd the internal lag switch to the skills. Did this happen in IC?

jelliedsoup

Thymos wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Is my lag really that bad?

@ZOS_GinaBruno
Can those of us with a terrible connection opt out of losing stones. Farming and then losing them to lag is just time wasting and annoying.
It doesn't encourage people from other worlds (outside of the US)to play.

So you don't enjoy playing the game and feel like it is a chore to play the game when you're collecting stones?

What makes you ask that?