RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The only problem with Cloak is its counters are just garbage skills, the problem isn't with Cloak itself.
Radiant Magelight simply doesn't have a large enough detection radius.
Revealing Flare is simply too easy to avoid and is a useless skill outside of finding Nightblades.
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All the skills used to fight Nightblades GIMP YOU against every other class.
Using a Gap Closer to fight a Bolt Escaping Sorc does not gimp you in fighting Nightblades, DK, or Templars. Using Revealing Flare or RML(2 slots) Gimps you against fighting all other classes and in the case of RML your forced to give up 5% of your max magic and 2 skill slots just to counter one ability and you are then gimped against every othert class.
Nightblades have to make no such sacrifice.
Instead of nerfing Cloak, how about making Cloak's counters more viable so your not gimped when fighting 75% of the games classes. RML and Revealing Flare is useless against Sorcs, DK's, and Templar's. After testing RML last night for the 1st time since 1.6, the skill is simply not worth it, im going back to Inner Light...i'd be better off to stand right on top of the Nightblade with Thunder Form then to be standing right on top of him with RML, Thunderform doesn't cost me 2 skill slots and gimp me against every other class in the game.
Again this is NOT a nerf Cloak post, this is a make Cloak's counters more viable in more situations post. As it stands right now, you have to give up far too much to counter Cloak. The skills gimp you too much.
nordickittyhawk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The only problem with Cloak is its counters are just garbage skills, the problem isn't with Cloak itself.
Radiant Magelight simply doesn't have a large enough detection radius.
Revealing Flare is simply too easy to avoid and is a useless skill outside of finding Nightblades.
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All the skills used to fight Nightblades GIMP YOU against every other class.
Using a Gap Closer to fight a Bolt Escaping Sorc does not gimp you in fighting Nightblades, DK, or Templars. Using Revealing Flare or RML(2 slots) Gimps you against fighting all other classes and in the case of RML your forced to give up 5% of your max magic and 2 skill slots just to counter one ability and you are then gimped against every othert class.
Nightblades have to make no such sacrifice.
Instead of nerfing Cloak, how about making Cloak's counters more viable so your not gimped when fighting 75% of the games classes. RML and Revealing Flare is useless against Sorcs, DK's, and Templar's. After testing RML last night for the 1st time since 1.6, the skill is simply not worth it, im going back to Inner Light...i'd be better off to stand right on top of the Nightblade with Thunder Form then to be standing right on top of him with RML, Thunderform doesn't cost me 2 skill slots and gimp me against every other class in the game.
Again this is NOT a nerf Cloak post, this is a make Cloak's counters more viable in more situations post. As it stands right now, you have to give up far too much to counter Cloak. The skills gimp you too much.
that... yeah no... i agree make counters better than nerfing. but this is ZOS... its nerf or nothing
Now rewrite you list and just add this skills which actually are usefull in pvp and being used.
beside the bugged beasttrap
RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The only problem with Cloak is its counters are just garbage skills, the problem isn't with Cloak itself.
Radiant Magelight simply doesn't have a large enough detection radius.
Revealing Flare is simply too easy to avoid and is a useless skill outside of finding Nightblades.
'
All the skills used to fight Nightblades GIMP YOU against every other class.
Using a Gap Closer to fight a Bolt Escaping Sorc does not gimp you in fighting Nightblades, DK, or Templars. Using Revealing Flare or RML(2 slots) Gimps you against fighting all other classes and in the case of RML your forced to give up 5% of your max magic and 2 skill slots just to counter one ability and you are then gimped against every othert class.
Nightblades have to make no such sacrifice.
Instead of nerfing Cloak, how about making Cloak's counters more viable so your not gimped when fighting 75% of the games classes. RML and Revealing Flare is useless against Sorcs, DK's, and Templar's. After testing RML last night for the 1st time since 1.6, the skill is simply not worth it, im going back to Inner Light...i'd be better off to stand right on top of the Nightblade with Thunder Form then to be standing right on top of him with RML, Thunderform doesn't cost me 2 skill slots and gimp me against every other class in the game.
Again this is NOT a nerf Cloak post, this is a make Cloak's counters more viable in more situations post. As it stands right now, you have to give up far too much to counter Cloak. The skills gimp you too much.
PrinceRyzen wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »The only problem with Cloak is its counters are just garbage skills, the problem isn't with Cloak itself.
Radiant Magelight simply doesn't have a large enough detection radius.
Revealing Flare is simply too easy to avoid and is a useless skill outside of finding Nightblades.
'
All the skills used to fight Nightblades GIMP YOU against every other class.
Using a Gap Closer to fight a Bolt Escaping Sorc does not gimp you in fighting Nightblades, DK, or Templars. Using Revealing Flare or RML(2 slots) Gimps you against fighting all other classes and in the case of RML your forced to give up 5% of your max magic and 2 skill slots just to counter one ability and you are then gimped against every othert class.
Nightblades have to make no such sacrifice.
Instead of nerfing Cloak, how about making Cloak's counters more viable so your not gimped when fighting 75% of the games classes. RML and Revealing Flare is useless against Sorcs, DK's, and Templar's. After testing RML last night for the 1st time since 1.6, the skill is simply not worth it, im going back to Inner Light...i'd be better off to stand right on top of the Nightblade with Thunder Form then to be standing right on top of him with RML, Thunderform doesn't cost me 2 skill slots and gimp me against every other class in the game.
Again this is NOT a nerf Cloak post, this is a make Cloak's counters more viable in more situations post. As it stands right now, you have to give up far too much to counter Cloak. The skills gimp you too much.
Using shield breaker against non shield wearers gimps you. Using harness Magicka against wrecking blow spammers gimps you. Are single skills suppose to be the answer for everything?
Sorcs shields get countered by shield breaker. Templars heals get hit with healing reductions? Anything else? Nightblades cloak is countered with detect potions, magelight, mark target, caltrops, revealing flare, any aoes, etc. to say Nightblades don't make sacrifices to counter other classes is false. Truth of the matter is there more counters for Nightblades than any other class.
Make potions that negate through sorcs shields, like detect sees through cloak. Make an AOE that prevents Templars from using heals like cal troops prevent cloak. Nightblades would gladly use them.
(No. I am NOT requesting those counters btw. Just discussion)
ProvenIconic wrote: »If you really think about it as well.. nightblade have very low survivability without cloak. It the nightblade version of the templar heals, the sorcerers damage shields, and the tank like dk with its own self heal dragon blood.. a nightblade has ZERO survivability without cloak we have no class self heal unless we get kill with mark on them, we a damage based character so most use medium (or light if magicka) so have low physical resistance as is, and yes I know there are some heavy armor nightblade tanks buy they don't deal tremendous damage that causes people to complain how the class is op. We have the lowest survivability without our cloak, if you want us to be more balanced with everyone else, take away templar heals, dragonknight tanking ability, and sorcerer damage shields all together.. problem solved
ProvenIconic wrote: »If you really think about it as well.. nightblade have very low survivability without cloak. It the nightblade version of the templar heals, the sorcerers damage shields, and the tank like dk with its own self heal dragon blood.. a nightblade has ZERO survivability without cloak we have no class self heal unless we get kill with mark on them, we a damage based character so most use medium (or light if magicka) so have low physical resistance as is, and yes I know there are some heavy armor nightblade tanks buy they don't deal tremendous damage that causes people to complain how the class is op. We have the lowest survivability without our cloak, if you want us to be more balanced with everyone else, take away templar heals, dragonknight tanking ability, and sorcerer damage shields all together.. problem solved