UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Just leave it be. All this ever does is start a back and forth tug-o-war that serves no purpose whatsoever.
nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Just leave it be. All this ever does is start a back and forth tug-o-war that serves no purpose whatsoever.
Oh i just want to see how silly people can be when they try to counter 43 skills counter and potion counter.
And in order to get back into cloak all you need to do is move a bit (for a majority of those one dodge roll will do) and maybe purge (piercing mark) and whoever is chasing is back to square 1 once you hit cloak again. Also you list pounce as a counter, but that is a gap closer and if zos fixed those then no gap closer will break cloak now.
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Just leave it be. All this ever does is start a back and forth tug-o-war that serves no purpose whatsoever.
Oh i just want to see how silly people can be when they try to counter 43 skills counter and potion counter.
Refer to my edit lol
Also silly is an understatement. The debates for the skill and its morphs in general are as old as the crusty underpants of a homeless fat guy that has never showered in his life; stale and utterly repulsive.
nordickittyhawk wrote: »So i saw a comment by @ZOS_GinaBruno that they are looking into nerfing dark cloak. now i see so many posts and comments saying it needs to be nerfed... so what im going to do is give you every iteam and skill in the game to counter it.
Sorcs
Neagate (both morphs/Aoe)
Encase (both morphs/conal/CC)
Dedric mines (both morphs/Aoe)
Summon storm atronach (both morphs/Aoe/stun)
Dedric Curse (once explodeing it brings them from stealth)
Overload (both morphs/Heavy attack conal)
Lightning form (both morphs/Aoe on your self!)
Lightning Splash (both morphs/Aoe)
Bolt escape -.- (you damage anything u teleport to/stun/pain in the ass)
nordickittyhawk wrote: »So i saw a comment by @ZOS_GinaBruno that they are looking into nerfing dark cloak. now i see so many posts and comments saying it needs to be nerfed... so what im going to do is give you every iteam and skill in the game to counter it.
Sorcs
Neagate (both morphs/Aoe)
Encase (both morphs/conal/CC)
Dedric mines (both morphs/Aoe)
Summon storm atronach (both morphs/Aoe/stun)
Dedric Curse (once explodeing it brings them from stealth)
Overload (both morphs/Heavy attack conal)
Lightning form (both morphs/Aoe on your self!)
Lightning Splash (both morphs/Aoe)
Bolt escape -.- (you damage anything u teleport to/stun/pain in the ass)
What you listed does in fact reveal them but it is not practical.
Negate - You'd waste a 192 Ultimate for one person?
Encase - Barely viable, Nightblades use a lot of terrain to dodge stuff when they cloak away & Encase needs you and the enemy to be on the same ground level.
Daedric Mines - Has an activation delay and is pretty pointless to use if you're chasing.
Summon Storm Atronach - These guys don't attack an already invisible Nightblade, also again, 170 Ultimate that is a one-time reveal when the player can just cloak again?
Daedric Curse - They counter this with line of sight. If you don't cast another curse as soon as it explodes, you've already lost him.
Overload - Okay who the hell would even try to use this to reveal hidden enemies?
Lightning Form - The ticks of damage are spread out and all Nightblades are pretty much faster than you in stealth because of that ability. I don't even think the ticks of damage even reveal hidden enemies.
Lightning Splash - Just don't. stupid.
Bolt Escape - Barely viable. After 3-4 you're out of magicka.
nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Just leave it be. All this ever does is start a back and forth tug-o-war that serves no purpose whatsoever.
Oh i just want to see how silly people can be when they try to counter 43 skills counter and potion counter.
Joy_Division wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Just leave it be. All this ever does is start a back and forth tug-o-war that serves no purpose whatsoever.
Oh i just want to see how silly people can be when they try to counter 43 skills counter and potion counter.
You call people silly and then count DK standard as a counter for cloak?
nordickittyhawk wrote: »Dragon knight standered (Both morphs)
Fiery Breath (Both morphs/ conal aoe)
Inferno (both morphs/ Has taken me out of cloak many times)
Dark talons (both morphs/Aoe/CC)
Inhale (both morphs/Aoe)
Ash Cloud (both morphs/Aoe)
nordickittyhawk wrote: »Dragon knight standered (Both morphs)
Fiery Breath (Both morphs/ conal aoe)
Inferno (both morphs/ Has taken me out of cloak many times)
Dark talons (both morphs/Aoe/CC)
Inhale (both morphs/Aoe)
Ash Cloud (both morphs/Aoe)
Whoever use Standard to kick a NB out of stealth is just, well, retarted.
Fiery Breath never saw this skill be used in pvp, just a wasted of a Slot
Inferno infact is bugged and is able to attack stealth enemis
Talons, has a range of 6m. I rarly manage to grap a NB with this.
Inhale Needs to be "charged" before the NB use cloak, if no Target is near(or cloaked), it doesnt do nothing
Ash Clouds, actually work if you Combine it with invasion
Emma_Eunjung wrote: »Here's the problem with the bogus "counter" defense of Cloak... while the Nightblade's victim is busy "countering" Cloak, the Nightblade is busy KILLING his sorry ass in between Cloaks.
nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Just leave it be. All this ever does is start a back and forth tug-o-war that serves no purpose whatsoever.
Oh i just want to see how silly people can be when they try to counter 43 skills counter and potion counter.
Refer to my edit lol
Also silly is an understatement. The debates for the skill and its morphs in general are as old as the crusty underpants of a homeless fat guy that has never showered in his life; stale and utterly repulsive.
it is now removes 2 dmg over times. no longer negative effects.
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Just leave it be. All this ever does is start a back and forth tug-o-war that serves no purpose whatsoever.
Oh i just want to see how silly people can be when they try to counter 43 skills counter and potion counter.
Refer to my edit lol
Also silly is an understatement. The debates for the skill and its morphs in general are as old as the crusty underpants of a homeless fat guy that has never showered in his life; stale and utterly repulsive.
it is now removes 2 dmg over times. no longer negative effects.
DoT is what I was mostly thinking of since the only potential skill that could ruin the cloak if it cannot be removed by using Dark Cloak is Piercing Mark which means NB vs NB which correct me if I'm wrong is pretty irrelevant to the purpose of this thread?
willymchilybily wrote: »I dont think this thread is beneficial to the cause. That said i dont believe it needs to happen. Though haven't played much PVP in 2.1 admittedly. I presume this is because a magicka NB can cloak, come out of combat and get good regen, and go again wearing the enemy down? if not why does it even matter?
If it is No magicka regen when stealthed, that makes it very horrible for stealth players (not just NB) who like to buff up from stealth before launching their first attack, particularly stamina uses with small magicka pools that use magicka to buff themselves. It's going to be another detrimental change that affects many players instead of those who ZOS believes need a tweak.
if its only during the 2.5 seconds cloak invisibility lasts, that is fine. At most that it is 2 ticks of regen if you are unlucky. but surely if this is a loop hole, there are better ways to introduce a mechanic that level this out than a blanket wide mechanic that could have unforeseen detrimental effects to other classes/setups too.
willymchilybily wrote: »I dont think this thread is beneficial to the cause. That said i dont believe it needs to happen. Though haven't played much PVP in 2.1 admittedly. I presume this is because a magicka NB can cloak, come out of combat and get good regen, and go again wearing the enemy down? if not why does it even matter?
If it is No magicka regen when stealthed, that makes it very horrible for stealth players (not just NB) who like to buff up from stealth before launching their first attack, particularly stamina uses with small magicka pools that use magicka to buff themselves. It's going to be another detrimental change that affects many players instead of those who ZOS believes need a tweak.
if its only during the 2.5 seconds cloak invisibility lasts, that is fine. At most that it is 2 ticks of regen if you are unlucky. but surely if this is a loop hole, there are better ways to introduce a mechanic that level this out than a blanket wide mechanic that could have unforeseen detrimental effects to other classes/setups too.
You have to understand, not cloak is the Problem, the Problem is the combination from Cloak and shadow Image.
Its imposible to catch a NB with this skills.
willymchilybily wrote: »I dont think this thread is beneficial to the cause. That said i dont believe it needs to happen. Though haven't played much PVP in 2.1 admittedly. I presume this is because a magicka NB can cloak, come out of combat and get good regen, and go again wearing the enemy down? if not why does it even matter?
If it is No magicka regen when stealthed, that makes it very horrible for stealth players (not just NB) who like to buff up from stealth before launching their first attack, particularly stamina uses with small magicka pools that use magicka to buff themselves. It's going to be another detrimental change that affects many players instead of those who ZOS believes need a tweak.
if its only during the 2.5 seconds cloak invisibility lasts, that is fine. At most that it is 2 ticks of regen if you are unlucky. but surely if this is a loop hole, there are better ways to introduce a mechanic that level this out than a blanket wide mechanic that could have unforeseen detrimental effects to other classes/setups too.
There are two types:
invisible - cloak and invis pots
Sneak - out of combat sneak
so even if they set mag reg to 0 while invis, it does not affect sneaking
nordickittyhawk wrote: »You have to understand, not cloak is the Problem, the Problem is the combination from Cloak and shadow Image.
Its imposible to catch a NB with this skills.
iv never seen that combo actually o,o thou i have to say that if they did use that wouldnt you know where they would land? i dunno i just never saw that combo. id never use it mind you.
nordickittyhawk wrote: »You have to understand, not cloak is the Problem, the Problem is the combination from Cloak and shadow Image.
Its imposible to catch a NB with this skills.
iv never seen that combo actually o,o thou i have to say that if they did use that wouldnt you know where they would land? i dunno i just never saw that combo. id never use it mind you.
are you sure you never saw it? Most common use: NB set Shadow in a dark angle before engage.
NB has 15sec time to kill a enemy.
If attack Fails he cloak and instant port to the shadow and the enemy will never know where he is
nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Just leave it be. All this ever does is start a back and forth tug-o-war that serves no purpose whatsoever.
Oh i just want to see how silly people can be when they try to counter 43 skills counter and potion counter.
Refer to my edit lol
Also silly is an understatement. The debates for the skill and its morphs in general are as old as the crusty underpants of a homeless fat guy that has never showered in his life; stale and utterly repulsive.
it is now removes 2 dmg over times. no longer negative effects.
DoT is what I was mostly thinking of since the only potential skill that could ruin the cloak if it cannot be removed by using Dark Cloak is Piercing Mark which means NB vs NB which correct me if I'm wrong is pretty irrelevant to the purpose of this thread?
well if i have 3 dots on me that allows the target to get few more hits on me or even stun me and CC me. if you dont take the chance then yes i will escape but tell me.. what is a NB suppost to use to escape?
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »nordickittyhawk wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Just leave it be. All this ever does is start a back and forth tug-o-war that serves no purpose whatsoever.
Oh i just want to see how silly people can be when they try to counter 43 skills counter and potion counter.
Refer to my edit lol
Also silly is an understatement. The debates for the skill and its morphs in general are as old as the crusty underpants of a homeless fat guy that has never showered in his life; stale and utterly repulsive.
it is now removes 2 dmg over times. no longer negative effects.
DoT is what I was mostly thinking of since the only potential skill that could ruin the cloak if it cannot be removed by using Dark Cloak is Piercing Mark which means NB vs NB which correct me if I'm wrong is pretty irrelevant to the purpose of this thread?
well if i have 3 dots on me that allows the target to get few more hits on me or even stun me and CC me. if you dont take the chance then yes i will escape but tell me.. what is a NB suppost to use to escape?
You're kidding right? I'm a Nightblade and I can escape easily. Cloak actually aids in escape if used properly but sometimes even it is overpowered by zergs. That should be somewhat fixed now though.