Regarding the accusation of zerging.

FENGRUSH

Wow is there an outdoor area in imperial city? Where is this place you guys are fighting???

Crown

Anazasi wrote: »

I'm sorry, but I seem to be missing something. I thought this was A v A v A open world war/ combat game. At what point did someone try and inject a morality of fare play? No alliance can control what other alliances do. No one player can control any other player aside from those in there group while group leader. This is war there are no rules aside from the limitations the game places on us and even then players find ways to exploit those mechanics.

So seriously shut up with this zergging nonsense, you are ruining my game emersion and frankly you sound like a bunch of babies crying over who lost to who because they had more players than you. Please, please take your toys and go somewhere else this sand box belongs to mean bully's who have more friends than you.

@Anazasi holy crap dude - you're starting to sound like me! I'm... almost... proud...

Recremen

Rylana wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

I swear, watching these threads is a guilty pleasure of mine. I know they're not meant to be entertainment, but me thinks we're all starting to take ourselves a bit too seriously. The fights on trueflame are amazeballs, even if they're difficult/stacked against whoever, or maybe because of it. A month ago we would have 30 banners on flags, people doing /sitchair, and choice words galore in TS whenever you hear the meteor artillery fire begin. If every night of pvp is like the past few, I'll be a happy camper.

I just wish you guys would come depose yellow sometime instead of just screwing with us, and then leaving the yellow zerg to its whims.

Or ya know, defend the blue keeps you took from us.

Its kinda one sided, guesting over and basically deposing red to let yellow crown emp. Kinda defeats the purpose doesnt it? (especially now that youve basically enabled AD to gatecamp DC again after we put a stop to that twice)

Harumph. I'm homed on Trueflame thank you (I mostly just wanted to say harumph) - no guesting here. A lot of guilds (maybe all of the major ones) are still waiting to see where people end up after the gear grind is finished, and I'd estimate this will settle in the next few weeks. Pop caps and long queues are another consideration people are trying to send out feelers for before they commit their entire guild to a campaign.

To be fair, there really isn't a blue presence on the map if we aren't there right now, and we operate in NA mostly and have jobs/school/etc. so we need to go to bed at some point. As for the emp stuff, personally I could care less who's emp so long as it's a good fight. I'm sure it can feel like EP is being ganged up on, but the map starts red so dethroning needs to be the objective. Take it as a compliment that people are seeking fights with GoS and leave it at that. It makes me scratch my head to see the kinds of posts in these threads when every night I walk away thinking hell, that was a ton of fun.

Eh the drama isnt really about VE or anything, we legit appreciate the fights.

The drama is mostly cause of the yellows running their mouths at us that never come out of the woodwork until you are there, then they spike the football like they accomplished something. (we guested to both haderus and azuras today looking for fights because that yellow zerg was avoiding us all day long, they wouldnt come out to fight at all)

Id rather fight you guys all day if im honest. At least for those fights I gotta slot my negate and other group skills. For the yellows on Trueflame its kinda a lot of numbers crying and constant oneupsmanship arguing.


That being said, I know a blue guild is homing Trueflame next week, so the campaign should become more three-way balanced soon.

"that yellow zerg was avoiding us all day long" you mean all the PvEers who were home from school/work/etc were trying to avoid PvP like they always do? "That yellow zerg" was not even there most of the day. And when "the yellow zerg" finally got on and decided to take back some home keeps, guess what? They were outnumbered by EP trying to farm it. Not 3-to-1 or anything extreme but still outnumbered. Whatever folk were there, though, stopped fighting us s soon as they lost a few fights. Maybe you need to have a conversation with some folks in your faction about not running away from a winning battle, or at least calling in the power players if they don't think they can defend against some AD pushback, even when they have Emp and every scroll bonus.

eliisra

Always been fascinated by PvP'ers that refuses to count their private tail of 30+ randoms and public groups.

But they still wiped you with "only 10 of us lol".

Apparently pugs aren't actual players. Apparently their line of siege and Meteor spam, doesn't do dmg?

I'm not direction this to anyone specifically in this thread, because I have no clue about NA server, the players or the campaign. But this trend where cool "small scale" guys refuses to count the horde of pugs backing them up, is so pathetic. Very common to.

wraith808

Wow... ZOS still hasn't locked this entertaining mess?

wraith808

Winnamine wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

DC in BWB be like

Wrong thread?

Farming for awesomes. 'Cause it is totally awesome!

Manoekin

I need to play more

Armitas

There are no zergs anymore because prox det was such a highly successful anti zerg skill. The numbers we think we see in Cyrodiil are actually just fig newtons of our imagination. Prox det is amazing, thank you ZOS.

frozywozy

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

We witnessed FENGRUSH wearing his Pumping Iron t-shirt last night take on a much more numerous EP force. FENGRUSH had Ezareth-Ali and some guy Yoyuji in his group (which we all know to mean that FENGRUSH went up against the EP with one BICEP tied behind his back hahahahaha).

But you didn't see him complaining like he had p!ss soaked corn flakes. As a matter of fact he welcomed the battle against the bum EP and was making fun of them for having low DPS because they stacked a ton of healers in their zerg.

I want everyone to follow the official FENGRUSH twitch channel and for those who attend this thing called twitch con, to meet FENGRUSH live and in person, shake his hand, and take a selfie with his BICEPS.

This AD/Crown vs Rylana/Guild of Sissies has given me and the devs indigestion.

OFFICIAL FENGRUSH TWITCH CHANNEL!!! The only player-run ESO twitch channel that matters!

I fully support this That was some epic plays by the lord yesterday evening!

kevlarto_ESO

I don't see the point, EP does this stuff all the time, what difference does it matter what faction, I even see a Blue blob once in awhile, really it is what it is, the other day I seen so many EP pour into a breach at a keep it was like wow, where they all coming from, I run with a small static group of friends I get zerg tells, hey I am not with the main group just happen to be here at the same time not planned stuff just happens.. /shrug

I get a chuckle when three or four of use are taking a resource and 20+ ep show up all balled up spamming there hearts out. And I am sue AD has done the same thing and DC as well..:)

RinaldoGandolphi

Minno wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Im not sure accusing anyone of zerging is fair as ZOS has changed the meta to Zerg or go home, because they changed.....ya know what...forget it...

ZOS is in a weird position to provide an RPG element game with action packed pvp for a target audience that is coming from a game franchise where you play by yourself however you want to play.

Indeed they are. The worst part is, at launch, both small group and zerg playstyles were supported and viable. The changes they have made since have been solely for the benefit of zergs. Hopefully this changes, but i dunno. I'll still play though for now.

Dreyloch

I think we all don't care who zergs who. I just wanna know if there was lag! =P

Takllin

Dreyloch wrote: »

I think we all don't care who zergs who. I just wanna know if there was lag! =P

No lag so far, just FPS drops.

Dreyloch

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Im not sure accusing anyone of zerging is fair as ZOS has changed the meta to Zerg or go home, because they changed.....ya know what...forget it...

ZOS is in a weird position to provide an RPG element game with action packed pvp for a target audience that is coming from a game franchise where you play by yourself however you want to play.

Indeed they are. The worst part is, at launch, both small group and zerg playstyles were supported and viable. The changes they have made since have been solely for the benefit of zergs. Hopefully this changes, but i dunno. I'll still play though for now.

Please explain this "small group support". If you mean ground oils and camps. That was not support. That was broken game mechanics by devs who didn't understand dumping a huge vat of flaming oil at your feet should catch the dumpee on fire lol.

Camps? While it made for some long resource farming, it made for insane lag at Keep battles that lasted for hours. Instead of actually letting a force take or defend a keep within reason.

Takllin

Dreyloch wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Im not sure accusing anyone of zerging is fair as ZOS has changed the meta to Zerg or go home, because they changed.....ya know what...forget it...

ZOS is in a weird position to provide an RPG element game with action packed pvp for a target audience that is coming from a game franchise where you play by yourself however you want to play.

Indeed they are. The worst part is, at launch, both small group and zerg playstyles were supported and viable. The changes they have made since have been solely for the benefit of zergs. Hopefully this changes, but i dunno. I'll still play though for now.

Please explain this "small group support". If you mean ground oils and camps. That was not support. That was broken game mechanics by devs who didn't understand dumping a huge vat of flaming oil at your feet should catch the dumpee on fire lol.

Camps? While it made for some long resource farming, it made for insane lag at Keep battles that lasted for hours. Instead of actually letting a force take or defend a keep within reason.

Dynamic ultimate gain + softcaps. Also, the other kinds of siege and not everything being purged.

RinaldoGandolphi

Takllin wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Im not sure accusing anyone of zerging is fair as ZOS has changed the meta to Zerg or go home, because they changed.....ya know what...forget it...

ZOS is in a weird position to provide an RPG element game with action packed pvp for a target audience that is coming from a game franchise where you play by yourself however you want to play.

Indeed they are. The worst part is, at launch, both small group and zerg playstyles were supported and viable. The changes they have made since have been solely for the benefit of zergs. Hopefully this changes, but i dunno. I'll still play though for now.

Please explain this "small group support". If you mean ground oils and camps. That was not support. That was broken game mechanics by devs who didn't understand dumping a huge vat of flaming oil at your feet should catch the dumpee on fire lol.

Camps? While it made for some long resource farming, it made for insane lag at Keep battles that lasted for hours. Instead of actually letting a force take or defend a keep within reason.

Dynamic ultimate gain + softcaps. Also, the other kinds of siege and not everything being purged.

Yup, hit the nail right on the head bud!

Oil Catapult Snares were not purgeable either until 1.6

In fact Purge being bugged and not used because it wiped whole raids was a blessing in disguise as it let smaller groups actually have a chance at defending objectives and not being overrun by superior numbers at every turn.

bosmern_ESO

Crown wrote: »

10 People in group = a zerg.

What are you then?

You should know by now that If its 2v1 you are zerging with like 40+ people.

Also that If you have 1 more person in group that means you are zerging with 40+ people

and last, If you have a group of 24 and fighting another group of 24 with pugs, you are the ones causing lag, not the meteor, dawnbreaker, standard spammers.

thelordoffelines

Dreyloch wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Im not sure accusing anyone of zerging is fair as ZOS has changed the meta to Zerg or go home, because they changed.....ya know what...forget it...

ZOS is in a weird position to provide an RPG element game with action packed pvp for a target audience that is coming from a game franchise where you play by yourself however you want to play.

Indeed they are. The worst part is, at launch, both small group and zerg playstyles were supported and viable. The changes they have made since have been solely for the benefit of zergs. Hopefully this changes, but i dunno. I'll still play though for now.

Please explain this "small group support". If you mean ground oils and camps. That was not support. That was broken game mechanics by devs who didn't understand dumping a huge vat of flaming oil at your feet should catch the dumpee on fire lol.

Camps? While it made for some long resource farming, it made for insane lag at Keep battles that lasted for hours. Instead of actually letting a force take or defend a keep within reason.

I dont know about you, but the oil i have always been poring is magic oil that only hurts non EP so your argument of burning oil on my feet is invalid.

FENGRUSH

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

We witnessed FENGRUSH wearing his Pumping Iron t-shirt last night take on a much more numerous EP force. FENGRUSH had Ezareth-Ali and some guy Yoyuji in his group (which we all know to mean that FENGRUSH went up against the EP with one BICEP tied behind his back hahahahaha).

But you didn't see him complaining like he had p!ss soaked corn flakes. As a matter of fact he welcomed the battle against the bum EP and was making fun of them for having low DPS because they stacked a ton of healers in their zerg.

I want everyone to follow the official FENGRUSH twitch channel and for those who attend this thing called twitch con, to meet FENGRUSH live and in person, shake his hand, and take a selfie with his BICEPS.

This AD/Crown vs Rylana/Guild of Sissies has given me and the devs indigestion.

OFFICIAL FENGRUSH TWITCH CHANNEL!!! The only player-run ESO twitch channel that matters!

This post is legendary. FENGRUSH went gamling yesterday as well. The Lord has transformed into a demon Lord that will be hunting for souls in the EP sewers.

Dreyloch

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Im not sure accusing anyone of zerging is fair as ZOS has changed the meta to Zerg or go home, because they changed.....ya know what...forget it...

ZOS is in a weird position to provide an RPG element game with action packed pvp for a target audience that is coming from a game franchise where you play by yourself however you want to play.

Indeed they are. The worst part is, at launch, both small group and zerg playstyles were supported and viable. The changes they have made since have been solely for the benefit of zergs. Hopefully this changes, but i dunno. I'll still play though for now.

Please explain this "small group support". If you mean ground oils and camps. That was not support. That was broken game mechanics by devs who didn't understand dumping a huge vat of flaming oil at your feet should catch the dumpee on fire lol.

Camps? While it made for some long resource farming, it made for insane lag at Keep battles that lasted for hours. Instead of actually letting a force take or defend a keep within reason.

Dynamic ultimate gain + softcaps. Also, the other kinds of siege and not everything being purged.

Yup, hit the nail right on the head bud!

Oil Catapult Snares were not purgeable either until 1.6

In fact Purge being bugged and not used because it wiped whole raids was a blessing in disguise as it let smaller groups actually have a chance at defending objectives and not being overrun by superior numbers at every turn.

Sorry but this sounds like smaller groups being able to do things because of a broken mechanic. I would elaborate, but it's pointless. Furthermore, it's a WAR. Your always going to run into superior numbers or firepower. That's how war works. Ya don't send in one seal team to fight an entire nations' army. No matter how good they think they are,that's just stupid.

Joy_Division

I really don't understand the premise of taking an entire map, claiming Emperorship, and then complaining about the opposition that shows up to dethrone. Don't throw down the gauntlet or be king of the hill if you aren't willing to accept the challenges that come from doing so.

Or just uninstall and go play online chess or something where you are guaranteed a single opponent who has exactly the same amount of pieces. Though no doubt there would still be whining about having to play black.

Minno

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

We witnessed FENGRUSH wearing his Pumping Iron t-shirt last night take on a much more numerous EP force. FENGRUSH had Ezareth-Ali and some guy Yoyuji in his group (which we all know to mean that FENGRUSH went up against the EP with one BICEP tied behind his back hahahahaha).

But you didn't see him complaining like he had p!ss soaked corn flakes. As a matter of fact he welcomed the battle against the bum EP and was making fun of them for having low DPS because they stacked a ton of healers in their zerg.

I want everyone to follow the official FENGRUSH twitch channel and for those who attend this thing called twitch con, to meet FENGRUSH live and in person, shake his hand, and take a selfie with his BICEPS.

This AD/Crown vs Rylana/Guild of Sissies has given me and the devs indigestion.

OFFICIAL FENGRUSH TWITCH CHANNEL!!! The only player-run ESO twitch channel that matters!

This post is legendary. FENGRUSH went gamling yesterday as well. The Lord has transformed into a demon Lord that will be hunting for souls in the EP sewers.

All hail our demon overlord.

Minnesinger

Joy_Division wrote: »

I really don't understand the premise of taking an entire map, claiming Emperorship, and then complaining about the opposition that shows up to dethrone. Don't throw down the gauntlet or be king of the hill if you aren't willing to accept the challenges that come from doing so.

Or just uninstall and go play online chess or something where you are guaranteed a single opponent who has exactly the same amount of pieces. Though no doubt there would still be whining about having to play black.

hell yeah! I agree 100%. I believe it is the fear of losing the buffs that so many need. Same happened in AD when they, well , lost one of many buff servers. They all got angry when they lost them. As if they had done the job and none shall touch anything while they do pve. Well anyways good post.

Btw @FENGRUSH that isn´t a cosmetic he has turned into a fiery demon of souls. Fear my friends...fear!

This is what happens in the sewers.

Minno

Dreyloch wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Im not sure accusing anyone of zerging is fair as ZOS has changed the meta to Zerg or go home, because they changed.....ya know what...forget it...

ZOS is in a weird position to provide an RPG element game with action packed pvp for a target audience that is coming from a game franchise where you play by yourself however you want to play.

Indeed they are. The worst part is, at launch, both small group and zerg playstyles were supported and viable. The changes they have made since have been solely for the benefit of zergs. Hopefully this changes, but i dunno. I'll still play though for now.

Please explain this "small group support". If you mean ground oils and camps. That was not support. That was broken game mechanics by devs who didn't understand dumping a huge vat of flaming oil at your feet should catch the dumpee on fire lol.

Camps? While it made for some long resource farming, it made for insane lag at Keep battles that lasted for hours. Instead of actually letting a force take or defend a keep within reason.

Dynamic ultimate gain + softcaps. Also, the other kinds of siege and not everything being purged.

Yup, hit the nail right on the head bud!

Oil Catapult Snares were not purgeable either until 1.6

In fact Purge being bugged and not used because it wiped whole raids was a blessing in disguise as it let smaller groups actually have a chance at defending objectives and not being overrun by superior numbers at every turn.

Sorry but this sounds like smaller groups being able to do things because of a broken mechanic. I would elaborate, but it's pointless. Furthermore, it's a WAR. Your always going to run into superior numbers or firepower. That's how war works. Ya don't send in one seal team to fight an entire nations' army. No matter how good they think they are,that's just stupid.

Except warfare from the time period this game claims basisis on, Vikings with small raiding parties, Huns with horseback warfare (usually outnumbered), and most castle seiges were done with minimal men Manning the walls for defense are the examples of use to blow the zerg mentality out of the water.

Also many armies weren't as organized as the Romans (ie imperials in this game). So for sake of immersion, we should be loose rank and files pugging out due to miscommunication. And when we do fight as an army. No-clipping over each over spamming and running like a train would be the most immersive breaking mechanic of all.

Slaxis

Funny how everyone assumes 1 person from any faction controls the whole. Anyone who has an Ad toon knows that's a joke. Speaking only for @Crown on this since he is apart of my guild. He isn't running large numbers with most of us still trying to gear up in IC. Sure the grps might get to 16-20 at some point in taking or defending of key keeps but that's it.

@Rylana I personally don't know what you get out of trying to out people on the forums when your guild runs in large numbers to 16-24. You say that only VE is giving you guys the biggest challenge but from what I read your a little butt hurt about maybe wiping to some other groups. You spread nonsense on these forums. I generally look at you like I do a used condom on the ground which happened to find its way to ebonhearts peen.

Manoekin

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Im not sure accusing anyone of zerging is fair as ZOS has changed the meta to Zerg or go home, because they changed.....ya know what...forget it...

ZOS is in a weird position to provide an RPG element game with action packed pvp for a target audience that is coming from a game franchise where you play by yourself however you want to play.

Indeed they are. The worst part is, at launch, both small group and zerg playstyles were supported and viable. The changes they have made since have been solely for the benefit of zergs. Hopefully this changes, but i dunno. I'll still play though for now.

Please explain this "small group support". If you mean ground oils and camps. That was not support. That was broken game mechanics by devs who didn't understand dumping a huge vat of flaming oil at your feet should catch the dumpee on fire lol.

Camps? While it made for some long resource farming, it made for insane lag at Keep battles that lasted for hours. Instead of actually letting a force take or defend a keep within reason.

Dynamic ultimate gain + softcaps. Also, the other kinds of siege and not everything being purged.

Yup, hit the nail right on the head bud!

Oil Catapult Snares were not purgeable either until 1.6

In fact Purge being bugged and not used because it wiped whole raids was a blessing in disguise as it let smaller groups actually have a chance at defending objectives and not being overrun by superior numbers at every turn.

Most uninformed statement in the thread probably.

Small groups do not break off and put down siege. Oil catapult was able to be purged since like 1.4 or 1.3. Small group players left the game because they couldn't purge since you're at an even bigger disadvantage in a small group when you're 100% heal debuffed and can do nothing about it. In fact, I'd say purge bug was right around the time everyone started running in huge zergs. Before that it was just brandon being brandon.

Ezareth

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

We witnessed FENGRUSH wearing his Pumping Iron t-shirt last night take on a much more numerous EP force. FENGRUSH had Ezareth-Ali and some guy Yoyuji in his group (which we all know to mean that FENGRUSH went up against the EP with one BICEP tied behind his back hahahahaha).

I think you're forgetting to mention the templar Synaris Astarte.....you know the one who battle ressed his lordship while I was fighting the EP horde and their puny emperor who were then crushed despite having an emperor, overwhelming odds and every damn buff in cyrodiil. That player who was usually focus fired by virtue of being a healer by both mobs and players alike.

One BICEP tied behind his back indeed haha. I think you mean we were a dose of steroids that kept his LORDSHIP FLEXing in the mirror of twitch for his admiring fans and other folks who are far better forum warriors than players

Garion

Zergers crying at zergers for zerging.

ESO at its finest.

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