NB / Sorc pathetic DPS PvE

Neolink7

Kas wrote: »

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Neolink7 wrote: »

Can someone explain how medium weaving was nerfed?

Many, many "your heavy attacks..." things don't apply to medium attacks anymore. Most notably, the DK active weapon buffs. prior to the patch, every medium attack even counted as "fully charged heavy attack". That's pretty much gone as well

It's still more damage than LA though and doesn't take that much longer.

I'm pretty sure medium attacks never counted for the Destro passives that require fully charged heavy attacks.

kaithuzar

HOLD UP, this should be a magic vs stam argument; cause stam is faaattttt dps - wrecking blow spam ftw (even on stam sorc) -
but magic is severely lacking w/o 1500 CP per that magic nb vid everyone's been talking about with the dude getting 20k+ dps

kaithuzar

Egonieser wrote: »

You don't need to do 25k DPS to be accepted in end-game dungeons. 25k is the peak which is not sustainable for very long as you have to be fully DPS specced, and fully DPS specced means you have no resource pools or regeneration to sustain it for long periods of time. Heck even templars can do 25k DPS with spamming just 1 skill, does it make them good? Not really. There is more to the game than just DPS.

Leaderboardists use high burst DPS to bypass boss mechanics to AVOID the actual hard bits, you know, the periods where they dish out attacks that require coordination, dodging, blocking and some kind of gameplay. That can be easily remedied by ZoS by adding intermittent damage immunities or "stages" to boss fights to avoid the actual mechanic bypasses like in any other MMO. Then it will truly test people's skill. Buttonmashing is not a skill, it is what it is - buttonmashing with the gear that supplements buttonmashing.

Unless you plan on being in the top 2% that do leaderboard runs, you will not have any issues finding dungeons whatsoever. Plenty of casual players do them and succeed in them so you have nothing to worry about.

You HAVE to be TOP 2% or whatever just to get on the leader boards b/c everyone up there (that 2%) has 7 alts on it as well.

omfgitsbatman

You don't need a ton of champ points. You don't need the absolute best gear. You can pull respectable numbers. I have taught many many people to do so. Now, you're not going to pull the exact same numbers as someone with a ton of champ points and all best in slot legendary everything... but I know for a fact that you could have all v14 gear with around 150 champion points and still get around 20k dps on single target. I saw someone do it. I myself have about 450 ish champ points and can pull 25k single target on the Daedroth's in vet White Gold Tower if I do my rotation correctly.
I'm not even close to the best magicka nb dps out there. My weave is sloppy, and I get distracted easily. I don't have the perfect gear setup yet. It's all about how you gear, how to wisely invest what champ points you do have, and how to do your rotation.
I'm not going to go into detail onto how to do this, because it's quite lengthy and there are quite a few builds out there that can help.
This is probably my favorite one: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/1-6-pve-correct-magicka-nightblade-dps-amstelx/

That build is slightly outdated because it's set for v14, but the rotation and theory behind the build is mostly theiff same. The ideal gear sets for v16 are obviously different, but the gear in this build is easy to obtain and you can pull respectable numbers by doing exactly as this build says even now.

Savos_Saren

I can easily say that my v16 Stam NB (bosmer) is hella better than my v16 Magicka NB (dunmer) dps-wise. But, I do enjoy playing the dunmer more. I might not get as high DPS as the stam- but the off-heals help my group tremendously.

OP- if you're only looking for leaderboard status and THE HIGHEST dps, you're never going to be satisfied with your build. If you're looking for fun, entertaining gameplay- then make your build however you want.

Now for the rest of the people on the forum who keep telling the OP to L2P- how about making some suggestions to updated Sorc and NB builds? Show a video of your 10k+ DPS on a single target boss. Hell, I'd love to learn from them as well. I don't pull 15k-20k dps on bosses with my magicka NB, either.

OP- you can hit me up on the NA server AD @Mephis_Stopholis if you want any suggestions. I hop between PVE and PVP- so, I'm not min/maxed at either build... but I have fun!

Chieve

Xendyn wrote: »

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UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, what are the current average dps numbers for classes?

Im doing around 12-14k single target dps with my sorc, with only Power Overload and 1000 stored ultimate up to 18k for max 40-50 seconds. Besides Power Overload I think sorcs dont have much to do good dps but Im not specialized in top pve dps.

Honestly I never care. Worrying about the technicalities of mechanics and algorithms is just, well how can I put this? ...

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Xjcon

Egonieser wrote: »

You don't need to do 25k DPS to be accepted in end-game dungeons. 25k is the peak which is not sustainable for very long as you have to be fully DPS specced, and fully DPS specced means you have no resource pools or regeneration to sustain it for long periods of time. Heck even templars can do 25k DPS with spamming just 1 skill, does it make them good? Not really. There is more to the game than just DPS.

Leaderboardists use high burst DPS to bypass boss mechanics to AVOID the actual hard bits, you know, the periods where they dish out attacks that require coordination, dodging, blocking and some kind of gameplay. That can be easily remedied by ZoS by adding intermittent damage immunities or "stages" to boss fights to avoid the actual mechanic bypasses like in any other MMO. Then it will truly test people's skill. Buttonmashing is not a skill, it is what it is - buttonmashing with the gear that supplements buttonmashing.

Unless you plan on being in the top 2% that do leaderboard runs, you will not have any issues finding dungeons whatsoever. Plenty of casual players do them and succeed in them so you have nothing to worry about.

That's funny. You think top dps is about just button mashing? How cute. Go mash buttons and show me your dps, I will press keys in a certain order (called a rotation) and show you mine. There is plenty of places that people can go learn what to do/build to be able to get high dps. Plenty of players have figured out how to sustain NB and Sorc DPS.

Destyran

Guedz wrote: »

So what's the problem of Nightblades and Sorcerers DPS in PvE? Why is it so difficult to balance this game once and for all? And do not tell me and show me videos of NBs Magika causing 25k dps, because to achieve this I need to have MANY ChampZ and top equipment, that things Templars and DKs simply do not need!

Must use the golden armor of the twelve zodiac houses if I want to reach the feet of a DK all blue ... absurd!

I do not want to have to create another another class of character just to be able to get in a veteran arena or in one of the new dungeons in Veteran mode, I want my character able to do this, as other classes can ...

Something is wrong in this game, very wrong.

I am speaking for myself, but putting it out what many have told me and also agreed with me.

And I know that some troll will say "but has cloak" ... grab my cloak, shove in your pocket and go away with it, do not care.

That *** is wrong since the beta and no one gets with the excuse that "NBs and sorcs are good at PVP" ... pathetic.

I completly agree with you the suck in new dungeons end of story i have tried wgt with 2 nb with 4500 weapon damage and they fail, cant even complete first boss. i do it with dks not even close to min max got up to flame boss. The new content is far too hard for the average player. This game isnt made for casuals and will die if the dont balance it make stuff doable and attract more players and keep them casuals motivated to at least be carried through content.

Tonnopesce

So it seems that i need to stop to hit my head on the walls trying to go pvp with my dk, and re roll as a pve dps build? Sadly i dont like pve so mich...

ralonasan

Xantaria wrote: »

Magicka NBs and Magicka Sorcs are the strongest DPS in the game ... yet you create this thread ... OK!

Your knowledge about this game equals zero. You play your build wrong you use the wrong gear and yet compare yourself with people who are actually playing well and did their theorycrafting right.

On a comparison of equally skilled players with equal knowledge Magicka NB and Magicka Sorc can very well keep up with Magicka DKs.

Don't even deny any of this. I know my ***.

If there is ANY class that falls of in endgame PvE DPS that would be templars. They can only achieve decent DPS. Be it Magicka or Stamina they have no means of reaching topspot in DPS. That is fine though because they are required as healers anyway.

Currently there is a pretty good class balance and no reason to complain at all.

This is a typical git gud thread.

PREACH

Nikkiy

Destyran wrote: »

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Guedz wrote: »

So what's the problem of Nightblades and Sorcerers DPS in PvE? Why is it so difficult to balance this game once and for all? And do not tell me and show me videos of NBs Magika causing 25k dps, because to achieve this I need to have MANY ChampZ and top equipment, that things Templars and DKs simply do not need!

Must use the golden armor of the twelve zodiac houses if I want to reach the feet of a DK all blue ... absurd!

I do not want to have to create another another class of character just to be able to get in a veteran arena or in one of the new dungeons in Veteran mode, I want my character able to do this, as other classes can ...

Something is wrong in this game, very wrong.

I am speaking for myself, but putting it out what many have told me and also agreed with me.

And I know that some troll will say "but has cloak" ... grab my cloak, shove in your pocket and go away with it, do not care.

That *** is wrong since the beta and no one gets with the excuse that "NBs and sorcs are good at PVP" ... pathetic.

I completly agree with you the suck in new dungeons end of story i have tried wgt with 2 nb with 4500 weapon damage and they fail, cant even complete first boss. i do it with dks not even close to min max got up to flame boss. The new content is far too hard for the average player. This game isnt made for casuals and will die if the dont balance it make stuff doable and attract more players and keep them casuals motivated to at least be carried through content.

I must be doing something wrong then. My NBs (1x mag / 1x stam) and my Sorc are doing great in the 2 new veteran dungeons.

Destyran

Nikkiy wrote: »

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Destyran wrote: »

Guedz wrote: »

So what's the problem of Nightblades and Sorcerers DPS in PvE? Why is it so difficult to balance this game once and for all? And do not tell me and show me videos of NBs Magika causing 25k dps, because to achieve this I need to have MANY ChampZ and top equipment, that things Templars and DKs simply do not need!

Must use the golden armor of the twelve zodiac houses if I want to reach the feet of a DK all blue ... absurd!

I do not want to have to create another another class of character just to be able to get in a veteran arena or in one of the new dungeons in Veteran mode, I want my character able to do this, as other classes can ...

Something is wrong in this game, very wrong.

I am speaking for myself, but putting it out what many have told me and also agreed with me.

And I know that some troll will say "but has cloak" ... grab my cloak, shove in your pocket and go away with it, do not care.

That *** is wrong since the beta and no one gets with the excuse that "NBs and sorcs are good at PVP" ... pathetic.

I completly agree with you the suck in new dungeons end of story i have tried wgt with 2 nb with 4500 weapon damage and they fail, cant even complete first boss. i do it with dks not even close to min max got up to flame boss. The new content is far too hard for the average player. This game isnt made for casuals and will die if the dont balance it make stuff doable and attract more players and keep them casuals motivated to at least be carried through content.

I must be doing something wrong then. My NBs (1x mag / 1x stam) and my Sorc are doing great in the 2 new veteran dungeons.

Well the stam nightblades in my group are melee sorcs are good yes with negate and pet tank but melee nbs not happening on xbox one mate

lynog85

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Funny because as a Nightblade I can use a Heavy Attack while hidden on an enemy almost my level and one-shot it or come close enough to finish it off with a Light Attack and I run Medium Armor Dual Wielding with currently 5 Champion Points spent and almost a 6th coming in to make my 2nd Mage Point. I run Fine-Quality VR1 equipment I made myself 5 with Night's Silence and the other 4 with I believe Magnus' Gift. Even without using Sneak Attacks I do just fine on my own, even enough to toy with my opponents most of the time and still win without breaking a sweat!

As for my offensive Sorcerer, he actually has better damage output than my Nightblade did at his Level! But he also dumps all his stat points into Magicka, making him squishy. My Nightblade? 50% Health, 25% Magicka, and 25% Stamina. I do good in PvP as well by the way.

So, what the problem is?

youre a vr1 with 6 champ points, stop commenting

Nifty2g

Templars?

Caligamy_ESO

@Guedz

Erm.. I feel like this is an opposite of reality post.

These are the two classes I have felt needed the *least* amount of effort to achieve crazy dps numbers. Both of mine use all crafted gear and excel at dps. I have tanked everything Shada could throw at me for 10 minutes solo on a v11 sorc in totally self-crafted equipment while trying to fight & raise party members and he still clocks in at 15~26k dps depending on the speed of the fight. NB crits for insanely huge numbers 25k+ quite often just taking advantage of assassination passives for the most part, so not quite sure what it is your doing with these two classes.

I have around 160 CP.

Sorc-> Flame staff & Restoration staff - 5 light, 2 heavy armor
4/5 Magnus' Gift (4 trait craft), 4/5 Twilight Embrace (3 trait craft)
Traits: Divines armor, precise weapons
Mundus stone - Apprentice
(sometimes I use food and potions on him, but its not needed.. at all)

NB -> Dual wield swords, 2handed - 5 medium, 2 light armor
5/5 (4 with 2hand) Hundings Rage (6 trait craft), 4/5 Night Mother (6 trait craft)
Traits: Divines armor, precise weapons
Mundus: Thief
Rare potion usage, self-healing with Momentum/Rally fighting with 2 handed for single target and swapping to dual wield for group fighting. Assassination passives are my favorite on this class, I ignore Siphon and Shadow skill lines in PVE almost entirely.

LBxFinalDeath

They balance things for PvP rather than PvE.

For example ppl want stuff nerfed cuz pvp without any thought of what'll it do to PvE.