NB / Sorc pathetic DPS PvE

Guedz

So what's the problem of Nightblades and Sorcerers DPS in PvE? Why is it so difficult to balance this game once and for all? And do not tell me and show me videos of NBs Magika causing 25k dps, because to achieve this I need to have MANY ChampZ and top equipment, that things Templars and DKs simply do not need!

Must use the golden armor of the twelve zodiac houses if I want to reach the feet of a DK all blue ... absurd!

I do not want to have to create another another class of character just to be able to get in a veteran arena or in one of the new dungeons in Veteran mode, I want my character able to do this, as other classes can ...

Something is wrong in this game, very wrong.

I am speaking for myself, but putting it out what many have told me and also agreed with me.

And I know that some troll will say "but has cloak" ... grab my cloak, shove in your pocket and go away with it, do not care.

That *** is wrong since the beta and no one gets with the excuse that "NBs and sorcs are good at PVP" ... pathetic.

FluffyMeowington

but has cloak

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

Dude, you're outta your element

Curragraigue

Sorcs and NBs both have great DPS in both PvE and PvP. Grass is always greener.

Try watching some videos of what other people are doing to get some tips on boosting your DPS. Yes more CPs and end game gear helps but they are not everything. Knowing your build and mechanics is 90% of the work CPs and gear top it off.

Guedz

FluffyMeowington wrote: »

but has cloak

great! next time ill use cloak, maybe i can cause 35k dps just like a dk.

Emma_Overload

OP is right, but don't be surprised to see some fools come out of the woodwork to try to convince us that Sorcs really have the best DPS. What a joke!

Guedz

ppl saying that sorcs have the best dps, just dont play as a sorc... dumbs...

Kammakazi

Qyrk

but has cloak...

NBs and sorcs are good at PVP


In all seriousness, if you're going to make an opinion, back it up with facts, or at least some thorough testing that the dps are pathetic, not just create a thread full of sensationalism. Have a solid argument, not just crass hyperboles.

-As a sorc, we do quite fine in PvE, especially if you stack SD.

Egonieser

You don't need to do 25k DPS to be accepted in end-game dungeons. 25k is the peak which is not sustainable for very long as you have to be fully DPS specced, and fully DPS specced means you have no resource pools or regeneration to sustain it for long periods of time. Heck even templars can do 25k DPS with spamming just 1 skill, does it make them good? Not really. There is more to the game than just DPS.

Leaderboardists use high burst DPS to bypass boss mechanics to AVOID the actual hard bits, you know, the periods where they dish out attacks that require coordination, dodging, blocking and some kind of gameplay. That can be easily remedied by ZoS by adding intermittent damage immunities or "stages" to boss fights to avoid the actual mechanic bypasses like in any other MMO. Then it will truly test people's skill. Buttonmashing is not a skill, it is what it is - buttonmashing with the gear that supplements buttonmashing.

Unless you plan on being in the top 2% that do leaderboard runs, you will not have any issues finding dungeons whatsoever. Plenty of casual players do them and succeed in them so you have nothing to worry about.

UltimaJoe777

Funny because as a Nightblade I can use a Heavy Attack while hidden on an enemy almost my level and one-shot it or come close enough to finish it off with a Light Attack and I run Medium Armor Dual Wielding with currently 5 Champion Points spent and almost a 6th coming in to make my 2nd Mage Point. I run Fine-Quality VR1 equipment I made myself 5 with Night's Silence and the other 4 with I believe Magnus' Gift. Even without using Sneak Attacks I do just fine on my own, even enough to toy with my opponents most of the time and still win without breaking a sweat!

As for my offensive Sorcerer, he actually has better damage output than my Nightblade did at his Level! But he also dumps all his stat points into Magicka, making him squishy. My Nightblade? 50% Health, 25% Magicka, and 25% Stamina. I do good in PvP as well by the way.

So, what the problem is?

Qyrk

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

So, what the problem is?

I think the OP have a L2P issue

Guedz

no, u need to have a good dps if u play as a dps....

and on end content, if ure doing "x" dps all equiped and a "not good templar" is doing "2x" dps, ull be left behind.

u can do fine, but ppl wiill choose any1 that have the best dps at the end.

UltimaJoe777

Qyrk wrote: »

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UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

So, what the problem is?

I think the OP have a L2P issue

Or he's using a build and equipment that he feels is inferior to others, and he may be, but he should be out trying to modify it rather than gripe on the forums. People don't exactly bluff about things with what he says we shouldn't provide him with because it isn't agreeing with him. Everyone does better with a particular play style and they do learn as they go, but only via experimentation and resourcefulness.

FluffyMeowington

Guedz wrote: »

no, u need to have a good dps if u play as a dps....

You also need to CC and interrupt as dps and people don't do that either, don't worry about it.
You will be fine, you have cloak ;P

Qyrk

STEP 1: Write with proper grammar and spelling

STEP 2: You're (thanks for catching this!) Your argument is only valid if you can see "templars and/or dragonknights" in leaderboard spots (we need proof). This is actually not the case which makes your whole argument invalid.

STEP 3: Write with proper grammar and spelling

Guedz

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

So, what the problem is?

PVE

UltimaJoe777

Guedz wrote: »

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UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

So, what the problem is?

PVE

Again, what the problem is?

Guedz

Qyrk wrote: »

STEP 1: Write with proper grammar and spelling

STEP 2: You're argument is only valid if you can see "templars and/or dragonknights" in leaderboard spots (we need proof). This is actually not the case which makes your whole argument invalid.

STEP 3: Write with proper grammar and spelling

dk and templar can reach around 30~35k dps... if u do not found one, u play with donkeys.

blablabla grammar blablabla.

Xendyn

Qyrk wrote: »

STEP 1: Write with proper grammar and spelling

STEP 2: You're argument is only valid if you can see "templars and/or dragonknights" in leaderboard spots (we need proof). This is actually not the case which makes your whole argument invalid.

STEP 3: Write with proper grammar and spelling

ok that requires the whole ROFLMAO

Psst...it's your, not you're
write with proper grammar and spelling

sorry, had to.

Funkopotamus

OP..
You sound like you need to find a decent guild man..
If your mindset is "Well lets not allow jonny to run this vet dungeon because he can only burst 18k DPS" then you are not the problem your choice of people that you are playing this game with is the problem.

But yes you can become a walking eldritch catastrophe trail of destruction with the right gear. Maybe not at vet1 standing in your white-y [<- That is censored? Wut?] tighties! But get you some decent gear and a few vet ranks and yes you will be fine. I would look at the first paragraph of my post if you are having trouble with obtaining gear.

Curragraigue

Guedz wrote: »

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Qyrk wrote: »

STEP 1: Write with proper grammar and spelling

STEP 2: You're argument is only valid if you can see "templars and/or dragonknights" in leaderboard spots (we need proof). This is actually not the case which makes your whole argument invalid.

STEP 3: Write with proper grammar and spelling

dk and templar can reach around 30~35k dps... if u do not found one, u play with donkeys.

blablabla grammar blablabla.

People doing that much sustained damage, no matter what class they are playing as, are in end game gear and not blue gear as you described it. Get end game gear learn your class mechanics and synergies and then come back to the forum to discuss.

Gone from sympathy and trying to help you to you need to L2P and get gear.

Funkopotamus

Curragraigue wrote: »

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Guedz wrote: »

Qyrk wrote: »

STEP 1: Write with proper grammar and spelling

STEP 2: You're argument is only valid if you can see "templars and/or dragonknights" in leaderboard spots (we need proof). This is actually not the case which makes your whole argument invalid.

STEP 3: Write with proper grammar and spelling

dk and templar can reach around 30~35k dps... if u do not found one, u play with donkeys.

blablabla grammar blablabla.

People doing that much sustained damage, no matter what class they are playing as, are in end game gear and not blue gear as you described it. Get end game gear learn your class mechanics and synergies and then come back to the forum to discuss.

Gone from sympathy and trying to help you to you need to L2P and get gear.

Yeah I was feeling sympathy for him also until his last post.

At first you sounded like you needed to find a decent guild.." I can see why that is hard for you if you communicate like that in game"

My feelings went from trying to help a fellow SORC player out to..

"mad bcuz bad"

Septimus_Magna

Just out of curiosity, what are the current average dps numbers for classes?

Im doing around 12-14k single target dps with my sorc, with only Power Overload and 1000 stored ultimate up to 18k for max 40-50 seconds. Besides Power Overload I think sorcs dont have much to do good dps but Im not specialized in top pve dps.

UltimaJoe777

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, what are the current average dps numbers for classes?

Im doing around 12-14k single target dps with my sorc, with only Power Overload and 1000 stored ultimate up to 18k for max 40-50 seconds. Besides Power Overload I think sorcs dont have much to do good dps but Im not specialized in top pve dps.

Honestly I never care. Worrying about the technicalities of mechanics and algorithms is just, well how can I put this? ...

Turelus

I see this is your first thread OP. Welcome to the ESO forums.

Please see every other thread complaining all classes are terrible and need, nerfs, buffs, fixing, balancing and you will soon understand that no one on these forums knows anything about what's good.

Septimus_Magna

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

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Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, what are the current average dps numbers for classes?

Im doing around 12-14k single target dps with my sorc, with only Power Overload and 1000 stored ultimate up to 18k for max 40-50 seconds. Besides Power Overload I think sorcs dont have much to do good dps but Im not specialized in top pve dps.

Honestly I never care. Worrying about the technicalities of mechanics and algorithms is just, well how can I put this? ...

We're all nerds here, thats why we spend our time responding on the forum. Dont dare to deny it!

DaveMoeDee

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Xendyn wrote: »

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Qyrk wrote: »

STEP 1: Write with proper grammar and spelling

STEP 2: You're argument is only valid if you can see "templars and/or dragonknights" in leaderboard spots (we need proof). This is actually not the case which makes your whole argument invalid.

STEP 3: Write with proper grammar and spelling

ok that requires the whole ROFLMAO

Psst...it's your, not you're
write with proper grammar and spelling

sorry, had to.

Funny how often people posting about grammar mess that up.

Xendyn

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

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Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, what are the current average dps numbers for classes?

Im doing around 12-14k single target dps with my sorc, with only Power Overload and 1000 stored ultimate up to 18k for max 40-50 seconds. Besides Power Overload I think sorcs dont have much to do good dps but Im not specialized in top pve dps.

Honestly I never care. Worrying about the technicalities of mechanics and algorithms is just, well how can I put this? ...

See, you're missing out. 'Cause these days, being a nerd is coool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFhgupR565Q

Leon119

Sorc and nb just have more difficult rotations than a templar and dk. Frankly u just dont know how to use the class. Your attitute towards the things that will help you doesnt help either. I have a steady group of 1 dk tank 2 dd sorcs and me templar heal and we can pretty much do all 4man content with no probs. Most times if we die its my fault tbh because im slow on the heals

Septimus_Magna

Leon119 wrote: »

Sorc and nb just have more difficult rotations than a templar and dk. Frankly u just dont know how to use the class. Your attitute towards the things that will help you doesnt help either. I have a steady group of 1 dk tank 2 dd sorcs and me templar heal and we can pretty much do all 4man content with no probs. Most times if we die its my fault tbh because im slow on the heals

Have you completed vet Imperial City Prison and White Gold Tower hard-mode?