NB / Sorc pathetic DPS PvE
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Xantaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Magicka NBs and Magicka Sorcs are the strongest DPS in the game ... yet you create this thread ... OK!
Your knowledge about this game equals zero. You play your build wrong you use the wrong gear and yet compare yourself with people who are actually playing well and did their theorycrafting right.
On a comparison of equally skilled players with equal knowledge Magicka NB and Magicka Sorc can very well keep up with Magicka DKs.
Don't even deny any of this. I know my ***.
If there is ANY class that falls of in endgame PvE DPS that would be templars. They can only achieve decent DPS. Be it Magicka or Stamina they have no means of reaching topspot in DPS. That is fine though because they are required as healers anyway.
Currently there is a pretty good class balance and no reason to complain at all.
This is a typical git gud thread.
Edited by Xantaria on September 15, 2015 8:33AMXantaria - Lead of Chimaira
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✭✭✭✭✭Both, Sorcerers and Nightblades don't have great dps. Sorcerer pulls the lowest numbers, followed by Nightblades as it seems. Top DPS is Dragonknight, followed by Templar. Even though from I've seen so far, Templar is even stronger.
I agree with OP: I don't understand, why it's so hard to change this already. It's easy to bring Nightblades and especially Sorcerers at the same level with the 2 top dps classes. There's a reason why my Sorcerer wastes his time as a tank and healer now, because I am sick of getting depressed when I see my foolish DPS numbers compared to templars and dks and I don't run trials anymore, because it's making me angry, when Templars and DKs are up in the clouds when posting their DPS and all the Sorcerer post their laughable numbers.
This is so ridiculous and not satisfying ! People, this is about PvE DPS and Sorcerer has the lowest DPS here since the game exists and this never changed since then. The only change is, that Templar changed his position with Nightblade. DK still on the top.Edited by Dracane on September 15, 2015 8:29AMAuri-El is my lord,
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If dps is an issue... play another role?
Yep, no need to waste time on being a Sorc DPS. I respecced to Tank and Healer a long time ago.Auri-El is my lord,
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✭So what's the problem of Nightblades and Sorcerers DPS in PvE? Why is it so difficult to balance this game once and for all? And do not tell me and show me videos of NBs Magika causing 25k dps, because to achieve this I need to have MANY ChampZ and top equipment, that things Templars and DKs simply do not need!
Must use the golden armor of the twelve zodiac houses if I want to reach the feet of a DK all blue ... absurd!
I do not want to have to create another another class of character just to be able to get in a veteran arena or in one of the new dungeons in Veteran mode, I want my character able to do this, as other classes can ...
Something is wrong in this game, very wrong.
I am speaking for myself, but putting it out what many have told me and also agreed with me.
And I know that some troll will say "but has cloak" ... grab my cloak, shove in your pocket and go away with it, do not care.
That *** is wrong since the beta and no one gets with the excuse that "NBs and sorcs are good at PVP" ... pathetic.
Huh!
What is exactly the problem? it's great to put a post complaining about balance, but if you can't identify the issue no one can help you.
My NB is my main and I love his damage, I swap between 2H & bow, Dual & Resto. Depends on what I'm doing. I'm not Max level with him even though I have been playing since PC Launch.
Sorc, weak! Really, that made me think you were trolling! Was trying Stam on my Vet2 last night and she hit's like a truck, think I enjoy it more than my crystal frag proc fun build.
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, sorcs are useless as dps endgame, even my min/max guildies says they'd not take a sorc over any other class for trials etc, just as they don't bring anything that other classes can't do just as good or better with more things to bring to help out the group. Sorcs are basically a dying class endgame pve. I rarely see them at all anymore. I just play mine as a tank these days as that's a lot more fun than being an inferior dps than other classes.Edited by cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO on September 15, 2015 8:37AMR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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✭Both, Sorcerers and Nightblades don't have great dps. Sorcerer pulls the lowest numbers, followed by Nightblades as it seems. Top DPS is Dragonknight, followed by Templar. Even though from I've seen so far, Templar is even stronger.
I agree with OP: I don't understand, why it's so hard to change this already. It's easy to bring Nightblades and especially Sorcerers at the same level with the 2 top dps classes. There's a reason why my Sorcerer wastes his time as a tank and healer now, because I am sick of getting depressed when I see my foolish DPS numbers compared to templars and dks and I don't run trials anymore, because it's making me angry, when Templars and DKs are up in the clouds when posting their DPS and all the Sorcerer post their laughable numbers.
This is so ridiculous and not satisfying ! People, this is about PvE DPS and Sorcerer has the lowest DPS here since the game exists and this never changed since then. The only change is, that Templar changed his position with Nightblade. DK still on the top.
Where is the LOL button? WHERE IS IT? I should leave the forums ...
We're focusing on recruiting only Sorcerer DPS. Do you think we do that for fun? Or because we want to be *** in this leaderboard season? Or because we are idiots who have no idea about the game?
No.
We do it because Sorcerers have the best PvE DPS existing.Edited by Xantaria on September 15, 2015 8:40AMXantaria - Lead of Chimaira
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✭✭✭✭✭My Nightblade's dps is so insane I accidentally kill things before I've got time to get my execute off. This is within the short stun of ambush. Premature Execution, we'll call it.
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✭✭✭✭✭Cherryblossom wrote: »
Huh!
What is exactly the problem? it's great to put a post complaining about balance, but if you can't identify the issue no one can help you.
My NB is my main and I love his damage, I swap between 2H & bow, Dual & Resto. Depends on what I'm doing. I'm not Max level with him even though I have been playing since PC Launch.
Sorc, weak! Really, that made me think you were trolling! Was trying Stam on my Vet2 last night and she hit's like a truck, think I enjoy it more than my crystal frag proc fun build.
As people say, this is about engame competition in PvE. It is not of importance, if you have fun while playing your NB or not. This is only about EQUALITY between classes and this equality does not exist, never existed in this game.
If you let a Dragonknight and a Templar with 500 Championpoints and the same damage level DPS let's say the Battlemaster or so. They will always pull higher numbers than Sorcerer and Nightblade having 500 CP and the gap is large. Fun is nice, but equality is just as important, a satisfying feeling when playing your class because you know, each class is playing on the same DPS level in end game. This would be so niceEdited by Dracane on September 15, 2015 8:41AMAuri-El is my lord,
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Where is the LOL button? WHERE IS IT? I should leave the forums ...
We're focusing on recruiting only Sorcerer DPS. Do you think we do that for fun? Or because we want to be *** in this leaderboard season? Or because we are idiots who have no idea about the game?
No.
We do it because Sorcerers have the best PvE DPS existing.
You do it because the LOL button is missing to make fun of your post and yes, because you have no clue.
You should focus on recruiting Dragonknights if you're aiming for high leaderboards. And then, who is "we" and where is the proof ? So don't bait me with fantasies
If you really recruit Sorcs for DPS
this is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. I don't know what what you're thinking Auri-El is my lord,
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Xantaria✭✭✭✭✭
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As people say, this is about engame competition in PvE. It is not of importance, if you have fun while playing your NB or not. This is only about EQUALITY between classes and this equality does not exist, never existed in this game.
If you let a Dragonknight and a Templar with 500 Championpoints and the same damage level DPS let's say the Battlemaster or so. They will always pull higher numbers than Sorcerer and Nightblade having 500 CP and the gap is large. Fun is nice, but equality is just as important, a satisfying feeling when playing your class because you know, each class is playing on the same DPS level in end game. This would be so nice
Learn how to play your characters. Honestly. Spreading all this completely WRONG info just because you don't know how to get to the top with the strongest DPS classes is pathetic.
Edited by Xantaria on September 15, 2015 8:49AMXantaria - Lead of Chimaira
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Learn how to play your characters. Honestly. Spreading all this completely WRONG info just because you don't know how to get to the top with the strongest DPS class is pathethic.
Well, spamming overload is pretty much what you need to do, but that's among the most boring things in the entire game, going around waiting for it to build up to do around 1 minute of decent dps.
R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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You do it because the LOL button is missing to make fun of your post and yes, because you have no clue.
You should focus on recruiting Dragonknights if you're aiming for high leaderboards. And then, who is "we" and where is the proof ? So don't bait me with fantasies
If you really recruit Sorcs for DPS this is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. I don't know what what you're thinking
I am not into hardcore pve so I can not comment on the issue, but I if know one things it is that Hodor knows their pve.- Mojican2 -
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I am not into hardcore pve so I can not comment on the issue, but I if know one things it is that Hodor knows their pve.
And then you see the rest of the game where sorcs are mostly extinct in pve, so 1 guild supposedly knowing what to do doesn't save the sorc class as a wholeR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
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Learn how to play your characters. Honestly. Spreading all this completely WRONG info just because you don't know how to get to the top with the strongest DPS classes is pathetic.
God, stop annoying me and trying to teach me. Who do you even think you are ? Sorcerer IS and has always been the weakest DPS class. You're nothing but a Sorc hater who wants to troll this tread. Just go home
ALL the Sorcs I've been working together with in trials (and there were a lot ) Always had foolish numbers compared to the top dps classes it has nothing to do with myself. In fact, I have higher DPS than these "average" Sorcs. Because I use 3 other abilities instead of Bound armor, which only provides a very very tiny bonus, so useless. But still, I am nowhere near as efficent as DKs and Temps.
Yes sure, a 600 CP Sorcerer might out dps a 200 cp DK. But this is simply because CP are op and not balanced
so this is no valid argument. And I suppose this is the problem you're experiencing, high CP Sorcs compared to low Cp temps etc. Edited by Dracane on September 15, 2015 8:57AMAuri-El is my lord,
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✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
And then you see the rest of the game where sorcs are mostly extinct in pve, so 1 guild supposedly knowing what to do doesn't save the sorc class as a whole
If I recall when 1.6 first launched these forums where overflowing with people calling sorcs the worst class specifically for pvp (not our direct topic yes, but its is an example). I was one of the people that thought most people where crazy. Come a few months later and players could not deny that sorc was actually the strongest pvp class. The issue was that people did not understand. The cookie cutter builds where not yet placed on the shelves.
So sorry what a few people who probably don't understand the games mechanics fully say on the forums is not a proper argument.- Mojican1 -
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If I recall when 1.6 first launched these forums where overflowing with people calling sorcs the worst class specifically for pvp (not our direct topic yes, but its is an example). I was one of the people that thought most people where crazy. Come a few months later and players could not deny that sorc was actually the strongest pvp class. The issue was that people did not understand. The cookie cutter builds where not yet placed on the shelves.
So sorry what a few people who probably don't understand the games mechanics fully say on the forums is not a proper argument.
The thing is, that this is no pvp discussing and I think people in this thread fail to understand this.
And in pve, Sorcs are not desireableAuri-El is my lord,
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If I recall when 1.6 first launched these forums where overflowing with people calling sorcs the worst class specifically for pvp (not our direct topic yes, but its is an example). I was one of the people that thought most people where crazy. Come a few months later and players could not deny that sorc was actually the strongest pvp class. The issue was that people did not understand. The cookie cutter builds where not yet placed on the shelves.
So sorry what a few people who probably don't understand the games mechanics fully say on the forums is not a proper argument.
Well, I've just done all the hardest content in the game, so I suppose I don't know what I'm talking about then, yeah....
I've just seen the sorc class drop as a rock in PvE, I see templars, NB's and DK's all the time, while sorcs are 10% or less of the people I see and play with.
And it is funny how people just get it in their heads that because sorcs are good in pvp they must automatically be good in pveEdited by cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO on September 15, 2015 9:04AMR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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The thing is, that this is no pvp discussing and I think people in this thread fail to understand this.
And in pve, Sorcs are not desireable
The point is that the patch is new. Players are still discovering builds and attaining all the gear. In maybe a month or two where all the classes truly lie will be more evident.- Mojican0 -
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The point is that the patch is new. Players are still discovering builds and attaining all the gear. In maybe a month or two where all the classes truly lie will be more evident.
Not much is going to change, if at all
Because no class really received any damage buffs with this patch. Yes, gear, but this is available for everyone and people will just go with what is best. I think it will be Nerien'OP ( ) or so Auri-El is my lord,
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dk and templar can reach around 30~35k dps... if u do not found one, u play with donkeys.
blablabla grammar blablabla.
and you think a DK wich pulls out 35k dps has blue random dropp gear?
Did you tryed to farm Valkyrn helm and Shoulders with good traids? most prefered with divine?
No?
then stfu#makemagickadkgreataigan
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✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »OP is right, but don't be surprised to see some fools come out of the woodwork to try to convince us that Sorcs really have the best DPS. What a joke!
we have for 30sec with 1000 ulti points ready without that we are miles behind :PBoth, Sorcerers and Nightblades don't have great dps. Sorcerer pulls the lowest numbers, followed by Nightblades as it seems. Top DPS is Dragonknight, followed by Templar. Even though from I've seen so far, Templar is even stronger.
I agree with OP: I don't understand, why it's so hard to change this already. It's easy to bring Nightblades and especially Sorcerers at the same level with the 2 top dps classes. There's a reason why my Sorcerer wastes his time as a tank and healer now, because I am sick of getting depressed when I see my foolish DPS numbers compared to templars and dks and I don't run trials anymore, because it's making me angry, when Templars and DKs are up in the clouds when posting their DPS and all the Sorcerer post their laughable numbers.
This is so ridiculous and not satisfying ! People, this is about PvE DPS and Sorcerer has the lowest DPS here since the game exists and this never changed since then. The only change is, that Templar changed his position with Nightblade. DK still on the top.
for sorcs its rather easy high DPS + overload is totally overpowered - and as ZOS seems to be unwilling to give sorcs (an) instant class attack(s)/dot(s) at the expense of overload this class will suck forever in pve.Edited by Tankqull on September 15, 2015 9:13AMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »
Well, I've just done all the hardest content in the game, so I suppose I don't know what I'm talking about then, yeah....
I've just seen the sorc class drop as a rock in PvE, I see templars, NB's and DK's all the time, while sorcs are 10% or less of the people I see and play with.
I have also cleared said content, but I do not consider my self a hardcore pve player because I do not regularly raid or ever go for any leader board. In terms of completion any class can complete things although some argument could be made about healing.
What you see is not a way to judge balance or power. At launch there sure where alot of bow NB's, but that did not mean it was a strong play style. The classes you see will also depend on the players you surround your self with. There really is no argument in this.- Mojican0 -
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we have for 30sec with 1000 ulti points ready without that we are miles behind :P
for sorcs its rather easy high DPS + overload is totally overpowered - and as ZOS seems to be unwilling to give sorcs (an) instant class attack(s)/dot(s) at the expense of overload this class will suck forever in pve.
Has nothing to do with Overload. Overload is the only thing preventing Sorcs from sucking totally when it comes to DPS. Even while Overloading, their damage isn't higher or on par other classes that's the ridiculous thing. And Overload is merely a 1 time event. If you die against a strong boss, such as the hard trial bosses, you won't have enough Ultimate to maintain this a 1 2nd time.
Overload is not op, and is only useable against bosses, as you have to safe up all your ultimate. What about the rest of the dungeon ? Where other classes can use their full potential and Sorc can't, because he has to safe all his Ultimate for last boss. Overload is just a sad ability Edited by Dracane on September 15, 2015 9:35AMAuri-El is my lord,
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✭✭✭✭✭Overload is not op, and is only useable against bosses, as you have to safe up all your ultimate. What about the rest of the dungeon ? Where other classes can use their full potential and Sorc can't, because he has to safe all his Ultimate for last boss. Overload is just a sad ability
It's actually quite decent to get shields and health down, then you can hit them with the curse, frags, mages wrath explosion combo. If they stand on your mines, that will drop them even quicker. Sorcs do have pretty decent dps0 -
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It's actually quite decent to get shields and health down, then you can hit them with the curse, frags, mages wrath explosion combo. If they stand on your mines, that will drop them even quicker. Sorcs do have pretty decent dps
Who cares for decent dps ? We want equal DPS.
And who are you talking about ?
About players ? Please back to pve discussion. Auri-El is my lord,
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It's actually quite decent to get shields and health down, then you can hit them with the curse, frags, mages wrath explosion combo. If they stand on your mines, that will drop them even quicker. Sorcs do have pretty decent dps
I think you're talking about pvp, the dps issues above are pve oriented.PC - EU (AD)SpoilerSeptimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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✭✭✭✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »
I think you're talking about pvp, the dps issues above are pve oriented.
And even in pvp, Overload is one, actually THE easiest attack to avoid in the entire game.
You see a big explosion when a Sorcerer activates it and hear a really loud sound, preventing you from getting stealth shotted. Overload has a rather slow frequency thanks to the cooldown and Zenimax adjusted the animation of Overload with this update, making it a big orb, that can't be missed.
Block it, dodge it, reflect it or attack the caster, as he wants to play offensive when using Overload and this makes him vulnerable. Overload is no ability that is frightening in pvp if you aren't blind, it is a very obvious and predictable ability. But this is perfectly valid, because it deals good damage if it hits. I think, Overload is one of the cleverest, well balanced and well designed abilities in this game.
The only problem so far was its animation, it didn't look obvious enough, just like a normal fat lightning bolt. Not it is a giant electrified bolt.Edited by Dracane on September 15, 2015 10:17AMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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