Can we address Snipe Already?

leepalmer95

Seriously why is a 50m + range skill doing more dmg than 90% of the abilities in the game.

Also why can it be spammed as fast as it can? For a long range skill it should have a higher cast time.

It also shouldn't be hitting 12-20k. Per shot. With it's range + travel time you can have 2 mid air at once.

It puts magicka builds at such a disadvantage vs any stamina build because of its range and dmg, no magicka skill can even compare to it. Same in group vs group situations, with a magicka build you need to get to the front of a group to target the front of the enemy's. Problem is you get spammed by 3-4 snipes by people completely out of your range and in the middle of the enemy group, who are relatively safe.

A attack which such range which can be cast 'safel'y away from the enemy shouldn't be doing such high dmg or be able to be cast so quickly.

Snipe should be used as an opening to a fight, get one or 2 off before in range sure, but not for 12-20k dmg each and not with a 1s cast time.


The fact in cyrodiil theres so many stam builds just spamming this, stam nb's making up like 40% of cyrodiil pop, it's literally all that appears on my kill feeds.

KhajiitiLizard

LOL I have like 3k weapon damage and could not get off a single snipe on someone that actually did anything. Tooltip says like 9k damage but it's a wet noodle in use. It needs a buff in my opinion.

It's a snipe, it should do a ton of damage. But currently it's useless in a keep defense.

Kammakazi

All you have to do is roll after the first one you hear...

if you survive it lol

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Lol flashback again.

Anyone else remember when the heal debuff on lethal arrow used to stack and DKs were rage quitting all over the place?

Snipe hits for 20K again? Is this a necro post from 1.6?

Or are people finally realizing that high champ points players can effectively negate the 1.7 damage debuff and all those oneshots you loved in 1.6 are coming back slowly, until something else gets nerfed.

Maybe this time they will put a cooldown on snipe and wrecking blow. That will fix it! Until they add a new champion point tree that reduces the cooldown on skills....

Anyone see a pattern here?

IBentley92

Don't nerf bows for pve, I think and have read many others who agree they need a pve dps buff! But In PvP I don't know, as I don't pvp near as much as others. I mean single target dps for bow is like..poison shot snipe and ultimate lol

Blackjak-33

The only pattern I see, referring to past posts/discussions, is the OP wanting everything except Sorcerer nerfed lol.

Egonieser

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Lol flashback again.

Anyone else remember when the heal debuff on lethal arrow used to stack and DKs were rage quitting all over the place?

Snipe hits for 20K again? Is this a necro post from 1.6?

Or are people finally realizing that high champ points players can effectively negate the 1.7 damage debuff and all those oneshots you loved in 1.6 are coming back slowly, until something else gets nerfed.

Maybe this time they will put a cooldown on snipe and wrecking blow. That will fix it! Until they add a new champion point tree that reduces the cooldown on skills....

Anyone see a pattern here?

I think he is playing on console my friend... They do not have the PvP changes and -50% damage debuff inside PvP zones..

On PC - 1-shots are a thing of the past, snipes that used to hurt my light armoured ass and instagibbing it now does anything but tickles it. I don't even bother to rolldodge out of it anymore, waste of resources. Shield Breaker bow light attack spam is the new meta, snipes are the thing of the past.
So are Rofldodging bunnyblades. Sweet... sweet.. revenge.

ArcaneBlue

"I got sniped, snipe shouldn't be so powerful"
"90% of my death recap is wrecking blows!"
"can zos do something about cristal frag's insane proc already?"
etc etc...

basically, if you get killed by certain abilities you don't use or class that is not your own,
suddenly it's op and needs to be "addressed" which often means "nerf".

I'm sure many pvp players have something else to say but "addressing" for the sake of pvp balance affects end game pvE a LOT and it hurts bad.

leepalmer95

SnarkyQB wrote: »

"I got sniped, snipe shouldn't be so powerful"
"90% of my death recap is wrecking blows!"
"can zos do something about cristal frag's insane proc already?"
etc etc...

basically, if you get killed by certain abilities you don't use or class that is not your own,
suddenly it's op and needs to be "addressed" which often means "nerf".

I'm sure many pvp players have something else to say but "addressing" for the sake of pvp balance affects end game pvE a LOT and it hurts bad.

Nah , there no magicka equivalent...

Stamina build would cry if there was a magicka equivalent and magicka builds could spam 12k-20k projectiles form 50m away.

Also who uses snipe in pve? I used to use snipe, it was op then , it's op now.

leepalmer95

Blackjak-33 wrote: »

The only pattern I see, referring to past posts/discussions, is the OP wanting everything except Sorcerer nerfed lol.

Also i main a dk...

Kavatchian

Please leave my bow alone... it already feels underwhelming. There are countless technical issues that could be addressed instead of tweaking a bow ability.

leepalmer95

Kavatchian wrote: »

Please leave my bow alone... it already feels underwhelming. There are countless technical issues that could be addressed instead of tweaking a bow ability.

Why does your bow feel underwhelming?

Gilvoth

Kavatchian wrote: »

Please leave my bow alone... it already feels underwhelming. There are countless technical issues that could be addressed instead of tweaking a bow ability.

yes, i have to agree with you.
when im sniping some one in pvp, i am allways saying to myself

"CMON man make the damn snipe go faster allready! and do more damage!"

people in this thread claiming we can have 2 snipes in the air at once is just not true, i mean its kinda close to that but not really more like 1.7 snipe in the air at once. and the actual damage is Not 20k of that i promise you, more like maybe 13k, its not 20k because i see people running at me and im only now on the second or third snipe on them and thier not even half way down on thier health.

Igglez

worst thing about Snipe is the fact that the majority of the time the damage doesn't even hit until your dead.. to 3 or 4 ghost snipes.

GreenSoup2HoT

The travel speed of snipe is just way to slow. There is a second and third one on the way before the first even hits.

I personally don't use it because i find Heavy weave with Poison Injection better for my play-style.
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There are many cheese abilities in the game. Wrecking Blow and Snipe come to mind. Skill's that are easily spammed are what i personally hate. I hope the damage reduction help's out this spamming. I would much rather longer engagement's with a variety of skill's used then just one or a couple of second's like in live for console.

However there is no variety in this game. Every build nowadays is cookie cutter.

Thanks streamer's -_-

Thecapeo

Snipe doesn't bug me anymore really (on console). The morphs of magicka det OTOH? Ugh, sick of that crap. Magicka NB, cloak, bat swarm, teleport, det. I've noticed that a lot lately. Same with sorcs. What was supposed to be a Zerg buster is pretty much solely being used for single target damage. In a couple days snipe will be totally negligible.

sagitter

Are you playing on console? if yes wait for the today patch, because on pc i still have to find a 1 shot sniper again like the past, dmg has been halved.

X_NOVIA_X

Warning: Console Players opinion follows: I believe, as a light armour wearing Templar, that it is working perfectly. Im not an expert here on intended vs. not working as intended, because i know its been discussed before. I would say it should not be able to be animation cancelled to put 4+ into the air to have them all hit at once from stealth. I can deal with one, even two, but when 4 pop for 12k each all before one tic has ended, it gets annoying. Maybe a slight tweek of animation cancelling on certain skills? (Not just for Snipe)

Feel free to critque me, as this truely is the only off balance thing that i have to deal with.
Cheers,
See you consolers in the city tomorrow!

Sausage

Because DPSing is fun? Some prefer to heal, some tank etc. Everything balanced isnt so fun it might see, if everything is just the same. MMORPG always try to search the balance what is utterly boring. Id rather play something where something can actually kill you, or everything just makes low or medium dmg, we have block anyway.

Thecapeo

Snipe can't be cancelled that fast. If you see four snipes from the same person on your death recap then you ate a couple while you weren't paying attention. You can get a snipe, injection and LA to land all at once but I've never seen four snipes land at the same time.

Sithisvoid

Tnoviaub17_ESO wrote: »

Warning: Console Players opinion follows: I believe, as a light armour wearing Templar, that it is working perfectly. Im not an expert here on intended vs. not working as intended, because i know its been discussed before. I would say it should not be able to be animation cancelled to put 4+ into the air to have them all hit at once from stealth. I can deal with one, even two, but when 4 pop for 12k each all before one tic has ended, it gets annoying. Maybe a slight tweek of animation cancelling on certain skills? (Not just for Snipe)

Feel free to critque me, as this truely is the only off balance thing that i have to deal with.
Cheers,
See you consolers in the city tomorrow!

You can't animation cancel snipe it has a cast time.... You can cast snipe then animation cancel a poison injection/heavy attack combo and they will land at or around the same time

Scyantific

Use shie- OH WAIT THEY GOT A SET FOR THAT TOO.

jelliedsoup

I sniped a guy from stealth for 1800 yesterday. Granted he was vr16 and I'm vr15.

Needless to say he ran off to bed crying. My bad, that was me.

DeanTheCat

jelliedsoup wrote: »

I sniped a guy from stealth for 1800 yesterday. Granted he was vr16 and I'm vr15.

Needless to say he ran off to bed crying. My bad, that was me.

You need to work on your marksmanship

But that's usually what happens nowadays if you try to snipe an Inpen stacked target from stealth who has Radiant Magelight on. If not for the pillar of white light, you won't even realise that you have been sniped in the first place. The damage is that pathetic on a Radiant Magelight user.

GreenSoup2HoT

@deanthecat maybe i should start using radiant mage light... lol, kinda wish it had a cast duration though and not a toggle.

DeanTheCat

@GreenSoup2HoT

I personally hope it stays a toggle. I already have 3 buffs to keep track of. I do not need a 4th buff to track. Besides, RML if it was a cast would be way too powerful, as it completely nullifies cloak and sneak within it's rather large (Same as Vigor) radius and negates stuns and damage from sneak attacks. I have tried time and time again to remove it from my bars, but I cannot justify the loss of passive stealth nullification for two extra slots on my bars. Every time I remove it from my bar, I almost always regret that choice within 10-15 minutes. I'm a stam build, which means the Crit bonus is 100% wasted, and it's still too valuable to lose.

TheArchitects

I have met only ONE guy on console that can one shot people with 23k snipes. One guy. I play a lot and that guy has managed to sneak kill me twice. Snipe is not the problem so stop the whining.

Unless there is a massive zerg making the game unplayable, snipes are easy to avoid. You need to pay attention and not run around like a ***.

GreenSoup2HoT

@deanthecat What does your stam build run?

I'm a stamina nightblade. I don't think i have room for it. It seem's like a must have though is some situation's. So you find it's better to run then piercing mark? How is it against magicka nightblade's?

DeanTheCat

@GreenSoup2HoT

Bow + 2h

The two hander is just for show, it's nothing more than a buff bar (I nickname my Two-Hander the "Resto-Sword"). I'm currently using a build focused on weaving Poison Injection and Assassin's Will for my damage. Both are buffed by Thaumaturge, so that build is quite deadly (+25% damage). Add in a bit of Morag Tong (+15% damage), and you get 10k Acid Sprays and 10k PI Damage Ticks (On mobs, half that for players).

You get 10% Spell Crit, 3% Magicka and 3% Magicka Regeneration for using Radiant Magelight. But that's not the main reason why you use RML. RML is used as a giant middle finger to all stealthers that dare to come near you, allowing you be the uncontested apex predator, as while you stealth around, you can hunt other stealthers as well as non-stealthers. Add in a touch of Piercing Mark, and you are pretty much the nightmare of every stealth based build. The best way to catch a thief, is to hire another thief after all.

Shad0wfire99

Maybe dodge, or block, or buff, or one of a hundred ways to deal with it.

Brrrofski

It is super annoying.

Not sure if needs a NERF.

Just one of he skills you hate getting hit by