Can we address Snipe Already?

Alucardo

I usually get killed by Executioner, x5 wrecking blows, mages wrath explosion, frags. Seen snipe in my death recap, but it was near the top for like 2k. Don't really see it as a massive problem tbh

Dalsinthus

I really wish we could hit pause on the daily calls to nerf literally every useful skill in the game.

IMO Snipe is absolutely fine. It is available to everyone. It has a long, casting time and can be interrupted. It is easy to dodge. Bow abilities are not exactly the best DPS in the game as it is. Snipe is one of the few things bows having going for them. Now the OP is calling for that to be nerfed away from bow users. I would MUCH prefer that a few other ranged skills - perhaps the destruction staff skills - be brought up a bit.

reften

Dalsinthus wrote: »

I really wish we could hit pause on the daily calls to nerf literally every useful skill in the game.

IMO Snipe is absolutely fine. It is available to everyone. It has a long, casting time and can be interrupted. It is easy to dodge. Bow abilities are not exactly the best DPS in the game as it is. Snipe is one of the few things bows having going for them. Now the OP is calling for that to be nerfed away from bow users. I would MUCH prefer that a few other ranged skills - perhaps the destruction staff skills - be brought up a bit.

Agree, should be calling for a nerf to heavy attack with a poison arrow while in stealth instead. Err wait, shhh

leepalmer95

Dalsinthus wrote: »

I really wish we could hit pause on the daily calls to nerf literally every useful skill in the game.

IMO Snipe is absolutely fine. It is available to everyone. It has a long, casting time and can be interrupted. It is easy to dodge. Bow abilities are not exactly the best DPS in the game as it is. Snipe is one of the few things bows having going for them. Now the OP is calling for that to be nerfed away from bow users. I would MUCH prefer that a few other ranged skills - perhaps the destruction staff skills - be brought up a bit.

Desto staff skills don;t hit 12k+ or have a range on 50m? Let me know what needs nerfing from that skill line?

I really wish 1 button spammers would stop defending the Op skills, sadly this forum is full of 1 button spammers who act like they actually know how to pvp when they just take advantage of imbalance.

Dalsinthus

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I really wish 1 button spammers would stop defending the Op skills, sadly this forum is full of 1 button spammers who act like they actually know how to pvp when they just take advantage of imbalance.

Nothing in the post you quoted argues for or against one button spamming. In my experience it is much more effective to do a skill rotation that includes Snipe in PVP and PVE than it is to spam away with Snipe. I regularly use something like stealth/buff -> Snipe -> Poison Arrow -> Snipe / light attack rotation -> switch weapon + gap close -> execute. For my stamina nightblade I also mix in Grim Focus, Mark Target, Camo Hunter, Meteor, Veil of Blades, and Surprise Attack and use escape, defense, and heal skills as needed. But, hey, it's easier to disregard people that disagree with you with strawman and name calling than to actually engage with an opposing argument.

leepalmer95

Dalsinthus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I really wish 1 button spammers would stop defending the Op skills, sadly this forum is full of 1 button spammers who act like they actually know how to pvp when they just take advantage of imbalance.

Nothing in the post you quoted argues for or against one button spamming. In my experience it is much more effective to do a skill rotation that includes Snipe in PVP and PVE than it is to spam away with Snipe. I regularly use something like stealth/buff -> Snipe -> Poison Arrow -> Snipe / light attack rotation -> switch weapon + gap close -> execute. For my stamina nightblade I also mix in Grim Focus, Mark Target, Camo Hunter, Meteor, Veil of Blades, and Surprise Attack and use escape, defense, and heal skills as needed. But, hey, it's easier to disregard people that disagree with you with strawman and name calling than to actually engage with an opposing argument.

Is it worth trying to engage, you try and engage and they literally ignore what you say, or just completely make up false info.

Thats the way it is on this forum, the self titled 'pvp experts' turn up and spam L2P about how an obviously unbalanced ability isn't unbalanced.

TequilaFire

On the converse of your argument why do so many people that can't learn to deal with an ability turn up to spam complaints about an ability?

leepalmer95

TequilaFire wrote: »

On the converse of your argument why do so many people that can't learn to deal with an ability turn up to spam complaints about an ability?

I wouldn't mind if there was a magicka version of it in the staff skill line, but in group fights i feel so useless as i'll die if i go near the front to people spamming snipe.

If i see someone start to use snipe i'll have to quickly run towards them, waste stamina, dodging or blocking or such in order to get close enough so i can attempt to interrupt which by the time i'm in that range they just stop and gap close me.

If the interrupt was 50m or i had an ability that could reach 50m it would be ok. But as of now primary melee orientated characters can simply pull out a bow and out range anyone without one until people are forced to get into range of the sniper were the sniper will then switch to a gap closer and be in the better position.

TequilaFire

Code exists in the game for long range powerful staff ability, look at the range of the mage guards on resource flags.
They can hit you clear across the resource..

leepalmer95

TequilaFire wrote: »

Code exists in the game for long range powerful staff ability, look at the range of the mage guards on resource flags.
They can hit you clear across the resource..

Yeah many times i've been far away from the keep sprinting to the next resource only to be hit 70m away by a mage bolt and be knocked off...

Should call the magicka snipe skill Focused bolt or something.

Dalsinthus

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Is it worth trying to engage, you try and engage and they literally ignore what you say, or just completely make up false info.

Thats the way it is on this forum, the self titled 'pvp experts' turn up and spam L2P about how an obviously unbalanced ability isn't unbalanced.

Well if that's your attitude, then it seems like there is little point to making a thread or having a conversation in the first place.

I understand your frustration with this skill. It's a very good skill. I don't think it is nearly as unbalanced as you suggest but YMMV. There are also plenty of good magicka skills out there; I die to them much more often than I kill people with Snipe. Perhaps some of the destruction staff skills or ranged class skills should be buffed a bit to be more competitive with Snipe; I'd be fine with that.

My frustration is that I see thread after thread calling for nerfs to so many skills. Many of these are for skills that I use regularly, but rarely do I feel OP.

Kobaal

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I really wish 1 button spammers would stop defending the Op skills, sadly this forum is full of 1 button spammers who act like they actually know how to pvp when they just take advantage of imbalance.

Nothing in the post you quoted argues for or against one button spamming. In my experience it is much more effective to do a skill rotation that includes Snipe in PVP and PVE than it is to spam away with Snipe. I regularly use something like stealth/buff -> Snipe -> Poison Arrow -> Snipe / light attack rotation -> switch weapon + gap close -> execute. For my stamina nightblade I also mix in Grim Focus, Mark Target, Camo Hunter, Meteor, Veil of Blades, and Surprise Attack and use escape, defense, and heal skills as needed. But, hey, it's easier to disregard people that disagree with you with strawman and name calling than to actually engage with an opposing argument.

Is it worth trying to engage, you try and engage and they literally ignore what you say, or just completely make up false info.
Thats the way it is on this forum, the self titled 'pvp experts' turn up and spam L2P about how an obviously unbalanced ability isn't unbalanced.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seriously why is a 50m + range skill doing more dmg than 90% of the abilities in the game.

Also why can it be spammed as fast as it can? For a long range skill it should have a higher cast time...

I know what you mean.

leepalmer95

Dalsinthus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Is it worth trying to engage, you try and engage and they literally ignore what you say, or just completely make up false info.

Thats the way it is on this forum, the self titled 'pvp experts' turn up and spam L2P about how an obviously unbalanced ability isn't unbalanced.

Well if that's your attitude, then it seems like there is little point to making a thread or having a conversation in the first place.

I understand your frustration with this skill. It's a very good skill. I don't think it is nearly as unbalanced as you suggest but YMMV. There are also plenty of good magicka skills out there; I die to them much more often than I kill people with Snipe. Perhaps some of the destruction staff skills or ranged class skills should be buffed a bit to be more competitive with Snipe; I'd be fine with that.

My frustration is that I see thread after thread calling for nerfs to so many skills. Many of these are for skills that I use regularly, but rarely do I feel OP.

Well if you regularly use a skill that it does put off you sense of whether it's op or not, you may be used to 2-3 hitting people with them and accept when other do the same, but people who use different skills and different builds who takes 5~ hits and well timed burst dmg to kill someone will feel that skills that can 2-3 hit are op.

Kobaal

Also interesting that this is your third Snipe topic:

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm sick of dying to snipe from people 50 meters away from a fight spamming 10k skills...

How can an ability that has a 50m range consistently hit for 10k + and have a 1 second charge time?

From that range the skill should either has a bigger cast time about 2.5 seconds or such or not do that amount of dmg, a skill from 50m is cast from safety so why is it one of the hardest hitting skills in the game.

From your thread:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/214084/is-snipe-more-bearable-in-ic#latest

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sick of being randomly hit for 9k arrows from 43+ metres away. It's literally all any stamina build does, it's so annoying. It'd be able to block or dodge it better if the thing wasn't nearly invisible and spam able that before you realise your being snipes you've been hit 3 times and are dead.

Make it obvious that its being show all the other high dmg skills are obvious.

from your thread here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/211547/can-we-make-the-snipe-animation-more-visible#latest

Have you tried using Ball of Lightning to absorb the projectiles?

a.skelton92

It's when fail archers resort to animation cancelling when they realise they are crap that annoys me. Not the player itself but the fact you can even do it is just silly. Ill pop my head out for a second 5 secs later i get hit by about 10 or so arrows. Definition of tacky

leepalmer95

Kobaal wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I really wish 1 button spammers would stop defending the Op skills, sadly this forum is full of 1 button spammers who act like they actually know how to pvp when they just take advantage of imbalance.

Nothing in the post you quoted argues for or against one button spamming. In my experience it is much more effective to do a skill rotation that includes Snipe in PVP and PVE than it is to spam away with Snipe. I regularly use something like stealth/buff -> Snipe -> Poison Arrow -> Snipe / light attack rotation -> switch weapon + gap close -> execute. For my stamina nightblade I also mix in Grim Focus, Mark Target, Camo Hunter, Meteor, Veil of Blades, and Surprise Attack and use escape, defense, and heal skills as needed. But, hey, it's easier to disregard people that disagree with you with strawman and name calling than to actually engage with an opposing argument.

Is it worth trying to engage, you try and engage and they literally ignore what you say, or just completely make up false info.
Thats the way it is on this forum, the self titled 'pvp experts' turn up and spam L2P about how an obviously unbalanced ability isn't unbalanced.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seriously why is a 50m + range skill doing more dmg than 90% of the abilities in the game.

Also why can it be spammed as fast as it can? For a long range skill it should have a higher cast time...

I know what you mean.

Kobaal

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I really wish 1 button spammers would stop defending the Op skills, sadly this forum is full of 1 button spammers who act like they actually know how to pvp when they just take advantage of imbalance.

Nothing in the post you quoted argues for or against one button spamming. In my experience it is much more effective to do a skill rotation that includes Snipe in PVP and PVE than it is to spam away with Snipe. I regularly use something like stealth/buff -> Snipe -> Poison Arrow -> Snipe / light attack rotation -> switch weapon + gap close -> execute. For my stamina nightblade I also mix in Grim Focus, Mark Target, Camo Hunter, Meteor, Veil of Blades, and Surprise Attack and use escape, defense, and heal skills as needed. But, hey, it's easier to disregard people that disagree with you with strawman and name calling than to actually engage with an opposing argument.

Is it worth trying to engage, you try and engage and they literally ignore what you say, or just completely make up false info.
Thats the way it is on this forum, the self titled 'pvp experts' turn up and spam L2P about how an obviously unbalanced ability isn't unbalanced.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seriously why is a 50m + range skill doing more dmg than 90% of the abilities in the game.

Also why can it be spammed as fast as it can? For a long range skill it should have a higher cast time...

I know what you mean.

Just to let you know, they doubled the armor of Light Armor in IC patch and reduced all PvP damage to 50%.

BuggeX

Kobaal wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I really wish 1 button spammers would stop defending the Op skills, sadly this forum is full of 1 button spammers who act like they actually know how to pvp when they just take advantage of imbalance.

Nothing in the post you quoted argues for or against one button spamming. In my experience it is much more effective to do a skill rotation that includes Snipe in PVP and PVE than it is to spam away with Snipe. I regularly use something like stealth/buff -> Snipe -> Poison Arrow -> Snipe / light attack rotation -> switch weapon + gap close -> execute. For my stamina nightblade I also mix in Grim Focus, Mark Target, Camo Hunter, Meteor, Veil of Blades, and Surprise Attack and use escape, defense, and heal skills as needed. But, hey, it's easier to disregard people that disagree with you with strawman and name calling than to actually engage with an opposing argument.

Is it worth trying to engage, you try and engage and they literally ignore what you say, or just completely make up false info.
Thats the way it is on this forum, the self titled 'pvp experts' turn up and spam L2P about how an obviously unbalanced ability isn't unbalanced.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Seriously why is a 50m + range skill doing more dmg than 90% of the abilities in the game.

Also why can it be spammed as fast as it can? For a long range skill it should have a higher cast time...

I know what you mean.

Just to let you know, they doubled the armor of Light Armor in IC patch and reduced all PvP damage to 50%.

i thought he is on PS4?
i dont know wath he is doing, but def. somthing wrong lol.
Mby a old Screenhoot?