All of a sudden, everyone is using detect pots o.0

Mojmir

Master_Kas wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Yes we do obscene amounts of damage that is either reflected or pings off the *** shield everyone has up.

Reflect? Use skills which cannot be reflected (all melee abilities + concealed weapon + teleport strike/lotus fan + soul harvest)
Damageshields? Well, use shieldbreaker set

thats fine, when the set comes out in next patch lol.

Mojmir

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Yes we do obscene amounts of damage that is either reflected or pings off the *** shield everyone has up.

Awww. Other classes have defence mechanics? How dare they sir, HOW DARE THEY?

damage shield is fine, but when its more health then you even have counting the cyrodiil battle buff, now thats just silly.

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

Might been connected with the growing numbers of nbs since months^^

as well as it should,its a fun class to play,doesnt mean were the only ones using stealth either

vichoi

Because everyone hate those focus aim spamming NB, even the NB themselves.

I run detect potion 24/7, and kill every NB first no matter how many enemies there.
if one detect potion can kill you, then you're running a build to one shot other players and deserve to be one shoted by other players too.

Master_Kas

Mojmir wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Yes we do obscene amounts of damage that is either reflected or pings off the *** shield everyone has up.

Reflect? Use skills which cannot be reflected (all melee abilities + concealed weapon + teleport strike/lotus fan + soul harvest)
Damageshields? Well, use shieldbreaker set

thats fine, when the set comes out in next patch lol.

Well why are you making this thread in the PTS forum if you are talking about live?? Dafuk?

Edit: Lol right back at you

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Well all of the sudden, people are all switching to NB because its easy mode in the imperial city.

I have never played NB before but I tried one from the template. Wasn't at all hard to tweak my magicka regen to be able to perma-stealth on a stam build and still have about 3k weapon damage unbuffed and plenty of stam to get insane crits on NPCs and decent attacks on players.

If I every got into trouble, I just mashed dodgeroll, cloak, then vigor. Got out alive almost every time unless a really skilled player was chasing me - and this is with ZERO knowledge and experience with the class.

This is even easier than bolt escape on a sorc. Especially since cloak protects you from getting more aggro and streak agros all the things.

I hope the streets of the imperial city are coated with the residue of detect pots.

MaxwellC

No cloak is OP, you're able to go into cloak while being attacked. I mean come on that's complete... well you know, detect pots don't even work correctly (well live consoles that is). If said cloaker goes into cloak and runs on a different surface level they remain undetected until you go up to that level (with detect pots active).

I detect pot right in front of the cloaking enemy player and I immediately still cannot find him, if anything detect pots need a buff. I'm tired of playing cat n mouse with a cloaking NB who attacks me out of nowhere and when he/she realizes I'll wreck them they go into cloak and hide.

Maulkin

Mojmir wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Yes we do obscene amounts of damage that is either reflected or pings off the *** shield everyone has up.

Awww. Other classes have defence mechanics? How dare they sir, HOW DARE THEY?

damage shield is fine, but when its more health then you even have counting the cyrodiil battle buff, now thats just silly.

Currently? It's no more silly than 25k Snipe + 10k Camo Hunter.

When people can deal 40k damage in 1" second..and light armor offers zero protection (this last part I'm fine with) ....and the average health in Cyrodiil is 20k-25k.... then you need shields the size of your health bar to stop you from getting once shot.

Some people just want easy mode it seems

Master_Kas

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Well all of the sudden, people are all switching to NB because its easy mode in the imperial city.

I have never played NB before but I tried one from the template. Wasn't at all hard to tweak my magicka regen to be able to perma-stealth on a stam build and still have about 3k weapon damage unbuffed and plenty of stam to get insane crits on NPCs and decent attacks on players.

If I every got into trouble, I just mashed dodgeroll, cloak, then vigor. Got out alive almost every time unless a really skilled player was chasing me - and this is with ZERO knowledge and experience with the class.

This is even easier than bolt escape on a sorc. Especially since cloak protects you from getting more aggro and streak agros all the things.

I hope the streets of the imperial city are coated with the residue of detect pots.

What has damage in npcs have to do with anything?

Try getting a 19k ambush on a player om the PTS.

Permacloak as a stamblade? Doubtfull.
You can cloak alot if you spec for manaregen / reduce cost but not permacloak like magicka nbs does.

Not defending OP. Just pointing stuff out

Maulkin

It's worth remembering that your damage against NPCs in IC is not reduced, only against players.

WolffenBloodseeker

Cathexis wrote: »

Good. Its a cheap playstyle that requires zero skill. Jumping someone and hitting them so hard they can't defend themselves or fight back before they die shouldn't be a viable build style. I hope you die a thousand times to detect pots to level 15 players and then get /sweeper /shovelled face-sitted.

#killallthenightblades

exactly this, the problem to me is that before i discovered detect pots i couldn't kill a single NB alone because they all fight just like this: jump from stealth, burst burst burst, cloak as soon as the enemy start to attack, jump from stealth again, burst burst burst, rinse and repeat FTW, this annoyed the hell out of me, it wasn't fair, most of the time i couldn't even fight back due to all CC's and when i got a chance the NB disapeared until it could kill me or if he couldn't he would just run from the fight, now i have a real chance to fight back, experienced NBs still are a real treat and many times they win but i know it was deserved and thats totaly fine but now i can cut through unskilled NBs like butter because they can't just spam cloak for the win (it's always fun to find a NB and just see he runing away desperated spamming cloak 3218321 times without even trying to fight back)

Forestd16b14_ESO

You know it's cause of opinions like this is why ZOS nerfed detect potions to be nearly useless now right ? Plus I have no idea how detect potions are detecting you when there max radius is 10 meters now and only last for 10 seconds .

KenaPKK

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

You know it's cause of opinions like this is why ZOS nerfed detect potions to be nearly useless now right ? Plus I have no idea how detect potions are detecting you when there max radius is 10 meters now and only last for 10 seconds .

Detect pots aren't any less useful than they were before.

See a nb fighting, pop the pot, and he'll die within 5 seconds.

Go play nb against detect pots. It's like playing sorc without shields or templar without heals.

KenaPKK

WolffenBloodseeker wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Good. Its a cheap playstyle that requires zero skill. Jumping someone and hitting them so hard they can't defend themselves or fight back before they die shouldn't be a viable build style. I hope you die a thousand times to detect pots to level 15 players and then get /sweeper /shovelled face-sitted.

#killallthenightblades

exactly this, the problem to me is that before i discovered detect pots i couldn't kill a single NB alone because they all fight just like this: jump from stealth, burst burst burst, cloak as soon as the enemy start to attack, jump from stealth again, burst burst burst, rinse and repeat FTW, this annoyed the hell out of me, it wasn't fair, most of the time i couldn't even fight back due to all CC's and when i got a chance the NB disapeared until it could kill me or if he couldn't he would just run from the fight, now i have a real chance to fight back, experienced NBs still are a real treat and many times they win but i know it was deserved and thats totaly fine but now i can cut through unskilled NBs like butter because they can't just spam cloak for the win (it's always fun to find a NB and just see he runing away desperated spamming cloak 3218321 times without even trying to fight back)

Then you weren't trying. There is plenty of counterplay to Cloak without detect pots. The damage that stamina nightblades could crit for was the problem, NOT Cloak itself. Detect pots being a thing completely negates the effectiveness of magicka NB, which is uncalled for collateral damage.

Mojmir

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Yes we do obscene amounts of damage that is either reflected or pings off the *** shield everyone has up.

Awww. Other classes have defence mechanics? How dare they sir, HOW DARE THEY?

damage shield is fine, but when its more health then you even have counting the cyrodiil battle buff, now thats just silly.

Currently? It's no more silly than 25k Snipe + 10k Camo Hunter.

When people can deal 40k damage in 1" second..and light armor offers zero protection (this last part I'm fine with) ....and the average health in Cyrodiil is 20k-25k.... then you need shields the size of your health bar to stop you from getting once shot.

Some people just want easy mode it seems

dont know who your rolling with but im seeing 25k on the shields alone,health in the upper 20's to 30's, 40k dmg in 1 sec?hmm maybe lose the vamp and get away from the zerg/seige. and who needs detect pots when you can reveal with aoes,hell i know sorcs got the mana to look around.

Master_Kas wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Yes we do obscene amounts of damage that is either reflected or pings off the *** shield everyone has up.

Reflect? Use skills which cannot be reflected (all melee abilities + concealed weapon + teleport strike/lotus fan + soul harvest)
Damageshields? Well, use shieldbreaker set

thats fine, when the set comes out in next patch lol.

Well why are you making this thread in the PTS forum if you are talking about live?? Dafuk?

Edit: Lol right back at you

uhm nah my names not jnorris, but keep the troll faces comin though!!

Cathexis

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Good. Its a cheap playstyle that requires zero skill. Jumping someone and hitting them so hard they can't defend themselves or fight back before they die shouldn't be a viable build style. I hope you die a thousand times to detect pots to level 15 players and then get /sweeper /shovelled face-sitted.

#killallthenightblades

One shotting someone before they can react shouldn't be possible above 17k health or so (thus the need for nerfs on stamina damage...), but Cloak in general, as I've stated before, has nothing to do with that. Being invisible doesn't kill people. Stop confusing the two.

As for your irrational, emotional rage...you are the kind of person that makes these forums so hard for developers to draw constructive feedback from...

@jnorris91ub17_ESO

(1) You are wrong because macros

(2) Cloak has nothing to do with burst killing the same way cups have nothing to do with drinking.

I regularly give constructive feedback, my constructive feedback in this instance is that op stealth bombing makes for lame combat.

Mojmir

Cathexis wrote: »

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Good. Its a cheap playstyle that requires zero skill. Jumping someone and hitting them so hard they can't defend themselves or fight back before they die shouldn't be a viable build style. I hope you die a thousand times to detect pots to level 15 players and then get /sweeper /shovelled face-sitted.

#killallthenightblades

One shotting someone before they can react shouldn't be possible above 17k health or so (thus the need for nerfs on stamina damage...), but Cloak in general, as I've stated before, has nothing to do with that. Being invisible doesn't kill people. Stop confusing the two.

As for your irrational, emotional rage...you are the kind of person that makes these forums so hard for developers to draw constructive feedback from...

@jnorris91ub17_ESO

(1) You are wrong because macros

(2) Cloak has nothing to do with burst killing the same way cups have nothing to do with drinking.

I regularly give constructive feedback, my constructive feedback in this instance is that op stealth bombing makes for lame combat.

this can be applied to anything,moot point

as for 2 and 3 yes. but when was assassination ever honorable?

Forestd16b14_ESO

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

You know it's cause of opinions like this is why ZOS nerfed detect potions to be nearly useless now right ? Plus I have no idea how detect potions are detecting you when there max radius is 10 meters now and only last for 10 seconds .

Detect pots aren't any less useful than they were before.

See a nb fighting, pop the pot, and he'll die within 5 seconds.

Go play nb against detect pots. It's like playing sorc without shields or templar without heals.

Oh yes lets try to find the new OP meta NB who is using spam skills that are beyond the detect potions max 10 meter range and let's continue using them every 10 seconds cause that's how long they last now oh wait I can't use any more detect potions cause I just used my last one already trying to find the OP meta NB.

Detect potions are nearly useless now cause of NB QQ.

smacx250

Well, in every nerf NB thread all the NBs say "L2P - detect pots are the counter!" I guess people listened!

KenaPKK

smacx250 wrote: »

Well, in every nerf NB thread all the NBs say "L2P - detect pots are the counter!" I guess people listened!

Yes, which is why all we non-NB players are only just realizing how freaking OP detect potions are...

Maulkin

Mojmir wrote: »

dont know who your rolling with but im seeing 25k on the shields alone,health in the upper 20's to 30's, 40k dmg in 1 sec?hmm maybe lose the vamp and get away from the zerg/seige. and who needs detect pots when you can reveal with aoes,hell i know sorcs got the mana to look around.

Don't what game you are playing, but it clearly isn't ESO.

1) 25k shields alone would not be against stamina manage since one of the 2 shields that makes that is Harness
2) Stop making stuff up. The average health in Cyrodiil is not in the upper 20s. It's below 25k easily. Watch any video see how few people have more than 25k HP. More people have below 20 than people with above 25.
3) This was yesterday

4) Camo Hunter procs on normal people too. Don't have to be a vamp.
5) Everyone that isn't stamina build needs detect pots to find NBs. The AoE range of magic abilities is atrocious. No 12m Steel Tornado or Caltrops
6) You clearly know little about Sorcs

Cathexis

Mojmir wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Good. Its a cheap playstyle that requires zero skill. Jumping someone and hitting them so hard they can't defend themselves or fight back before they die shouldn't be a viable build style. I hope you die a thousand times to detect pots to level 15 players and then get /sweeper /shovelled face-sitted.

#killallthenightblades

One shotting someone before they can react shouldn't be possible above 17k health or so (thus the need for nerfs on stamina damage...), but Cloak in general, as I've stated before, has nothing to do with that. Being invisible doesn't kill people. Stop confusing the two.

As for your irrational, emotional rage...you are the kind of person that makes these forums so hard for developers to draw constructive feedback from...

@jnorris91ub17_ESO

(1) You are wrong because macros

(2) Cloak has nothing to do with burst killing the same way cups have nothing to do with drinking.

I regularly give constructive feedback, my constructive feedback in this instance is that op stealth bombing makes for lame combat.

this can be applied to anything,moot point

as for 2 and 3 yes. but when was assassination ever honorable?

To quote my favourite forum post ever made:

Hold up a sec, let's ignore balance for a moment so we can circle jerk lore.

Also its not a moot point when you can repeatedly drop target and stealth at will.

niccolo91

I'm on xb1 and play v7NB I use detect pots and mage light, spam them all day, their range is pretty weak, I think they suck to be honest. I'm walking around stealthed, I see the eye open a little, pop a detect hidden pot run around where the eye is opened the longest and still it doesn't detect unless I walk on top of them. So yea they pretty much suck unless I'm using it wrong, like I can't be hidden using them.

niccolo91

Stop with the NB hate too, sorcerers are the most OP build in the game, take huge amounts of damage, blink away if you do get to burst down through the shields, able to summon things, crystal frags, meteor, YOU LOSE GOOD DAY SIR

Mojmir

Cathexis wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Good. Its a cheap playstyle that requires zero skill. Jumping someone and hitting them so hard they can't defend themselves or fight back before they die shouldn't be a viable build style. I hope you die a thousand times to detect pots to level 15 players and then get /sweeper /shovelled face-sitted.

#killallthenightblades

One shotting someone before they can react shouldn't be possible above 17k health or so (thus the need for nerfs on stamina damage...), but Cloak in general, as I've stated before, has nothing to do with that. Being invisible doesn't kill people. Stop confusing the two.

As for your irrational, emotional rage...you are the kind of person that makes these forums so hard for developers to draw constructive feedback from...

@jnorris91ub17_ESO

(1) You are wrong because macros

(2) Cloak has nothing to do with burst killing the same way cups have nothing to do with drinking.

I regularly give constructive feedback, my constructive feedback in this instance is that op stealth bombing makes for lame combat.

this can be applied to anything,moot point

as for 2 and 3 yes. but when was assassination ever honorable?

To quote my favourite forum post ever made:

Hold up a sec, let's ignore balance for a moment so we can circle jerk lore.

Also its not a moot point when you can repeatedly drop target and stealth at will.

and bolt escaping away is so much better, dropping minefield after minefield, oh and look you lured everyone to your groups hiding spot!!

Cathexis

Mojmir wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Good. Its a cheap playstyle that requires zero skill. Jumping someone and hitting them so hard they can't defend themselves or fight back before they die shouldn't be a viable build style. I hope you die a thousand times to detect pots to level 15 players and then get /sweeper /shovelled face-sitted.

#killallthenightblades

One shotting someone before they can react shouldn't be possible above 17k health or so (thus the need for nerfs on stamina damage...), but Cloak in general, as I've stated before, has nothing to do with that. Being invisible doesn't kill people. Stop confusing the two.

As for your irrational, emotional rage...you are the kind of person that makes these forums so hard for developers to draw constructive feedback from...

@jnorris91ub17_ESO

(1) You are wrong because macros

(2) Cloak has nothing to do with burst killing the same way cups have nothing to do with drinking.

I regularly give constructive feedback, my constructive feedback in this instance is that op stealth bombing makes for lame combat.

this can be applied to anything,moot point

as for 2 and 3 yes. but when was assassination ever honorable?

To quote my favourite forum post ever made:

Hold up a sec, let's ignore balance for a moment so we can circle jerk lore.

Also its not a moot point when you can repeatedly drop target and stealth at will.

and bolt escaping away is so much better, dropping minefield after minefield, oh and look you lured everyone to your groups hiding spot!!

It's not the sorcs fault you chase the shiny.

Mojmir

i dont chase, i snipe :P

Gerardopg

detect potions are just good, when you see a nightblade drink one, overload 3 light stacks and it's done yeah good night blades are harder to kill, but the 90% that just choose the class for the cloak it's very easy, and I think is gonna be better with the patch now you can actually put single target attacks over them making it a lot easiers, is this not work just 2 bolt, drink one invisibility potion and it's done

KenaPKK

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

This damage is the problem with NB.

Not Cloak.

And this is all stamina NB, not magicka.

Pisses me off that something so obscenely overpowered as a potion that negates a core class ability completely can exist in this game without causing an uproar. I mean seriously. It's a POTION... Give us a potion that makes our damage bypass shields or bonus durability stats, and people would be up in arms. Give us a potion that bypasses Cloak, and everyone just thinks that's ok... So dumb.

Master_Kas

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

You know it's cause of opinions like this is why ZOS nerfed detect potions to be nearly useless now right ? Plus I have no idea how detect potions are detecting you when there max radius is 10 meters now and only last for 10 seconds .

Detect pots aren't any less useful than they were before.

See a nb fighting, pop the pot, and he'll die within 5 seconds.

Go play nb against detect pots. It's like playing sorc without shields or templar without heals.

This is what most people don't get, nor care about because they don't care about the class.
They just want a easy win/kill

Zachy_B

Cathexis wrote: »

Good. Its a cheap playstyle that requires zero skill. Jumping someone and hitting them so hard they can't defend themselves or fight back before they die shouldn't be a viable build style. I hope you die a thousand times to detect pots to level 15 players and then get /sweeper /shovelled face-sitted.

#killallthenightblades

#dumb