All of a sudden, everyone is using detect pots o.0

KenaPKK

Makes playing Nightblade in a stealthy rogue play style nearly impossible... It was already hard enough to slip in and out in fights with mark and aoe damage so prevalent, but now it's nearly impossible because one person in the enemy group pushes one button.

It's honestly poor design to have a potion completely counter a core class ability...and Nightblades are more reliant on Cloak than most other classes are on their core abilities.

Can we get a potion to allow damage to bypass shields? How about negate enemies' bonus armor and spell resist? If not, then detect pots are hypocritical and need to be heavily redesigned.

KenaPKK

i.e. Make Nightblades a little squishier perhaps...something...but stop making detect potions the one button hard counter to the whole play style... I don't want to have to permanently respec to a sap / tanky build on my assassin.

Zlater

What is wrong with you? I have to give up 5 ability slots for anti-cloak abilities now, cloak is ruining Pvp for every Non-NB player.

KenaPKK

Cloak doesn't kill you.. How is Cloak the problem? And 5 ability slots is a huuuuge exaggeration. lol If you find yourself fighting a lot of Nightblades on a given day, you will need to slot one ability to pull someone out of cloak and maybe one shield or radiant magelight to defend against stealth gankers. God forbid you have to use a slot for counterplay just like against every other class...

The problem with Nightblade stealth is the fact that stam builds achieve obscene amounts of weapon damage and can deal 24,000 damage burst from stealth. It's not Cloak itself. Fix those abilities' damage, and it's fine...

And don't say that magicka NB is a problem because they spam Cloak. When a NB is invisible, they are not dealing damage or healing anyone. They are no longer a threat. A magicka NB can invis indefinitely, but they struggle to achieve much of anything other than that. Play the class before you complain please.

silky_soft

L2P. It's been nerfed already. Run away and come back 10s later. Stand behind some mobs so thier attacks hit them.

KenaPKK

silky_soft wrote: »

L2P. It's been nerfed already. Run away and come back 10s later. Stand behind some mobs so thier attacks hit them.

The detect pot nerf didn't change anything. lol They still give every enemy long range sight of hidden targets, nullifying Cloak completely for plenty long enough to kill all Nightblades in the area.

The existence of detect pots literally force Nightblades to play with a dead slot on their ability bars. How is that ok? Detect pots have been op for a long time in the grand scheme of things, but the play style that they counter (magicka NB) has been uncommon until very recently.

Please don't insult people with L2P on the forums... I'm one of the most experienced magicka NB players in the game.. Been playing it since early beta, run with the best PvP guild still playing in the game, and duel / small group with the top names in the game.. Be nice. ><

driosketch

Basically that style of play got over used, many of us hated getting ganked, so we adapted.

I personally love that I now get hate tells from gankers looking to pick off pugs who now find themselves and their team dead. Make us have to ride back, no. You enjoy your long ride. Cheers.

silky_soft

A dead slot, you mean 4 dots cleansed or 100% crit chance plus the damage buff from attacking from stealth? It still works even if you are detected by pots.

It's a counter for stam nb to. Always has been. Our piercing mark is way more powerful than detect pots. It's low cost, last like 30s, has a 50m range, reduces armor and also heals you on kill.

Oh you're a magicka nb, good for you. Experience doesn't equal skill. You guys got thrown a bone and are now crying because people want now are countering your perma cloak. Stam nb don't get perma cloak and our dodge was nerfed. It is adapt and l2p

Zlater

silky_soft wrote: »

L2P. It's been nerfed already. Run away and come back 10s later. Stand behind some mobs so thier attacks hit them.

There's no L2P in the PTS, don't be a noob. The PTS is where we discover what works and what doesn't. 1 or 2 anti cloak slots doesn't work anymore, and then you waste extra space with radiant magelight, which is useless for any stam build.

You have to learn how to PTS my overly sneaky friend.

Cathexis

Good. Its a cheap playstyle that requires zero skill. Jumping someone and hitting them so hard they can't defend themselves or fight back before they die shouldn't be a viable build style. I hope you die a thousand times to detect pots to level 15 players and then get /sweeper /shovelled face-sitted.

#killallthenightblades

silky_soft

Zlater wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

L2P. It's been nerfed already. Run away and come back 10s later. Stand behind some mobs so thier attacks hit them.

There's no L2P in the PTS, don't be a noob. The PTS is where we discover what works and what doesn't. 1 or 2 anti cloak slots doesn't work anymore, and then you waste extra space with radiant magelight, which is useless for any stam build.

You have to learn how to PTS my overly sneaky friend.

SO basically you are saying there's no l2p on pts. But you use the pts to learn to play?

Zlater

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Cloak doesn't kill you.. How is Cloak the problem? And 5 ability slots is a huuuuge exaggeration. lol If you find yourself fighting a lot of Nightblades on a given day, you will need to slot one ability to pull someone out of cloak and maybe one shield or radiant magelight to defend against stealth gankers. God forbid you have to use a slot for counterplay just like against every other class...

The problem with Nightblade stealth is the fact that stam builds achieve obscene amounts of weapon damage and can deal 24,000 damage burst from stealth. It's not Cloak itself. Fix those abilities' damage, and it's fine...

And don't say that magicka NB is a problem because they spam Cloak. When a NB is invisible, they are not dealing damage or healing anyone. They are no longer a threat. A magicka NB can invis indefinitely, but they struggle to achieve much of anything other than that. Play the class before you complain please.

I never said kills me -.- you should read before you post.

I spent a few hours dealing with Magicka NB's last night. The only way I was able to lock them out of cloak for long enough was with - lingering flare, defensive rune, radiant Mage light, and bombard or caltrops. I'm not an amateur, I know how to adapt, it takes 5 anti Nb slots to kill one, that's without a detect pot. Sorry I didn't have any pots to use this time around though. I can deal with any other class without so many counters, but NB's have to be special -.-

KenaPKK

Cathexis wrote: »

Good. Its a cheap playstyle that requires zero skill. Jumping someone and hitting them so hard they can't defend themselves or fight back before they die shouldn't be a viable build style. I hope you die a thousand times to detect pots to level 15 players and then get /sweeper /shovelled face-sitted.

#killallthenightblades

One shotting someone before they can react shouldn't be possible above 17k health or so (thus the need for nerfs on stamina damage...), but Cloak in general, as I've stated before, has nothing to do with that. Being invisible doesn't kill people. Stop confusing the two.

As for your irrational, emotional rage...you are the kind of person that makes these forums so hard for developers to draw constructive feedback from...

Zlater

silky_soft wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

L2P. It's been nerfed already. Run away and come back 10s later. Stand behind some mobs so thier attacks hit them.

There's no L2P in the PTS, don't be a noob. The PTS is where we discover what works and what doesn't. 1 or 2 anti cloak slots doesn't work anymore, and then you waste extra space with radiant magelight, which is useless for any stam build.

You have to learn how to PTS my overly sneaky friend.

SO basically you are saying there's no l2p on pts. But you use the pts to learn to play?

So you are being a noob. Pts = public test server, thats what it's for, testing, not learning how to play the game. I hope you've learnt something today.

Zlater

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

Good. Its a cheap playstyle that requires zero skill. Jumping someone and hitting them so hard they can't defend themselves or fight back before they die shouldn't be a viable build style. I hope you die a thousand times to detect pots to level 15 players and then get /sweeper /shovelled face-sitted.

#killallthenightblades

One shotting someone before they can react shouldn't be possible above 17k health or so (thus the need for nerfs on stamina damage...), but Cloak in general, as I've stated before, has nothing to do with that. Being invisible doesn't kill people. Stop confusing the two.

As for your irrational, emotional rage...you are the kind of person that makes these forums so hard for developers to draw constructive feedback from...

Everyone else used to be able to use wards and not die, now they just die faster. Nobody ever said cloak kills, stop spreading lies.

silky_soft

Zlater wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

L2P. It's been nerfed already. Run away and come back 10s later. Stand behind some mobs so thier attacks hit them.

There's no L2P in the PTS, don't be a noob. The PTS is where we discover what works and what doesn't. 1 or 2 anti cloak slots doesn't work anymore, and then you waste extra space with radiant magelight, which is useless for any stam build.

You have to learn how to PTS my overly sneaky friend.

SO basically you are saying there's no l2p on pts. But you use the pts to learn to play?

So you are being a noob. Pts = public test server, thats what it's for, testing, not learning how to play the game. I hope you've learnt something today.

So when you are testing different things out you're not learning anything? When you find a bug and try and reverse calculate how it came to it's conclusion you're not learning anything?

Zlater

silky_soft wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

L2P. It's been nerfed already. Run away and come back 10s later. Stand behind some mobs so thier attacks hit them.

There's no L2P in the PTS, don't be a noob. The PTS is where we discover what works and what doesn't. 1 or 2 anti cloak slots doesn't work anymore, and then you waste extra space with radiant magelight, which is useless for any stam build.

You have to learn how to PTS my overly sneaky friend.

SO basically you are saying there's no l2p on pts. But you use the pts to learn to play?

So you are being a noob. Pts = public test server, thats what it's for, testing, not learning how to play the game. I hope you've learnt something today.

So when you are testing different things out you're not learning anything? When you find a bug and try and reverse calculate how it came to it's conclusion you're not learning anything?

Ahh but we don't Pts with the intent to learn how to play the game. That we should already know, that's why I know to use skills like radiant magelight ;D

Draehl

On the opposite side if things- can we make no shadowcloak builds more viable options? I'd love stand your ground tanky caster bloodmage to be more of a thing...

Force-Siphon

omg...there is actually some kind of minor consequence to everyone rerolling mag nb?!?! SAY IT AINT SO ZOS!!!

uh but for real everything in the game has a counter...this counter costs you actual gold/time farming mats. It's never going away u can get out of range til the detect pot is out and since it has been nerfed u can attack that person knowing they can't just pop a tripot or another detect pot. This is pretty simple really. And anyways cloak will be nerfed in 2.2 so enjoy what u have now...with BE Nerf u have best escape in the game...gratz sneakers!!!

juliank1990erb16_ESO

nightblade? toppling charge -> dawnbreaker of [snip]-> radiant LAZORRSSSS -> shovel emote.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Zlater

juliank1990erb16_ESO wrote: »

nightblade? toppling charge -> dawnbreaker of SMIFUCKINREKU -> radiant LAZORRSSSS -> shovel emote.

I got funnies coming out the lols hole

Ezareth

Learn 2 play like everyone else has to. Stand and face your opponent and mash your damage abilities until one of you fall over. If they bring more than you, you bring more than them until one of you can't bring any more and fall over.

Welcome to Cyrodiil!

Erock25

All of a sudden?

Zlater

Erock25 wrote: »

All of a sudden?

Yeah he's totally battle Hardened xD

Docmandu

Maybe everybody is just clearing their current stock, since they will be pretty much useless when IC comes out.

Mojmir

Yes we do obscene amounts of damage that is either reflected or pings off the *** shield everyone has up.

Junglejim82

I don't always run detection pots , but when I do they give major savagery . I'm a nb no desire to see em removed they're bread and butter part of clearing out the keeps after sieges . Iys not just NBS that stealth yknow

Maulkin

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Cloak doesn't kill you.. How is Cloak the problem? And 5 ability slots is a huuuuge exaggeration. lol If you find yourself fighting a lot of Nightblades on a given day, you will need to slot one ability to pull someone out of cloak and maybe one shield or radiant magelight to defend against stealth gankers. God forbid you have to use a slot for counterplay just like against every other class...

The problem with Nightblade stealth is the fact that stam builds achieve obscene amounts of weapon damage and can deal 24,000 damage burst from stealth. It's not Cloak itself. Fix those abilities' damage, and it's fine...

And don't say that magicka NB is a problem because they spam Cloak. When a NB is invisible, they are not dealing damage or healing anyone. They are no longer a threat. A magicka NB can invis indefinitely, but they struggle to achieve much of anything other than that. Play the class before you complain please.

"Cloak doesn't kill you"
"When a NB is invisible, they are no longer a threat"

I lol'ed so hard I nearly fell off my chair! You sir either have no clue ..or you are a great comedian. Bravo!

Maulkin

Mojmir wrote: »

Yes we do obscene amounts of damage that is either reflected or pings off the *** shield everyone has up.

Awww. Other classes have defence mechanics? How dare they sir, HOW DARE THEY?

Teridaxus

Might been connected with the growing numbers of nbs since months^^

Master_Kas

Mojmir wrote: »

Yes we do obscene amounts of damage that is either reflected or pings off the *** shield everyone has up.

Reflect? Use skills which cannot be reflected (all melee abilities + concealed weapon + teleport strike/lotus fan + soul harvest)
Damageshields? Well, use shieldbreaker set