fixing shields and penetration ftw, combat is awesome!!!

xylena · August 2015

still some bugs but excellent work zos, thank you for listening to the community

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

Know all we need is armor changes ( mainly for heavy ) and we be perfect .... Oh also love for my Argonian shield siblings

xylena · August 2015

heavy armor is much more useful with the penetration fix, i can actually tank stamblades now without surprise attack cutting half my health if i drop block... being able to taunt and tank mobs in IC is also very helpful for saving your more fragile allies

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2015

@xylena but it isn't there yet to be that valid in pvp they can atleast give its reduce break free cost back to it I still don't understand why they even removed it to begin with.

timidobserver · August 2015

xylena wrote: »

heavy armor is much more useful with the penetration fix, i can actually tank stamblades now without surprise attack cutting half my health if i drop block... being able to taunt and tank mobs in IC is also very helpful for saving your more fragile allies

I actually liked the mobs not being stupid.

Lefty_Lucy · August 2015

xylena wrote: »

heavy armor is much more useful with the penetration fix, i can actually tank stamblades now without surprise attack cutting half my health if i drop block... being able to taunt and tank mobs in IC is also very helpful for saving your more fragile allies

I can't wait to see how well my heavy armor works again

Hello again 1.5 combat?

actosh · August 2015

Leeching Plate set is nice in static fights, but u wont get that much in ic or cyrodiil.
Not a real usefull Heavy set in the boxes.

Xael · August 2015

xylena wrote: »

still some bugs but excellent work zos, thank you for listening to the community

So you are saying to us that you went and crafted a v16 Maul with the Sharpened trait and upgraded to gold and then tested it in PvP? This is what you are saying?

I only ask this because your sig says NA player and on NA we are using premades and none of the weapons are sharpened, they are infused.

xylena · August 2015

@Xael yeah i grabbed sharpened weapons off the v14 template

Dracane · August 2015

Btw, another very interesting change that was in the patchnotes.
Shadow Cloak no longer has this bug that makes you immune to single target attacks even though you're detected ? Anyone can confirm this in game ?

Xael · August 2015

xylena wrote: »

@Xael yeah i grabbed sharpened weapons off the v14 template

@xylena i cAN tell you this much, not using Sharpened Maces at this point is terrible. I did a Wrecking Blow as a Stam Sorc with 3k Weapon Dmg (the max I can have with this v16 premade crap) and hit another sorc for 5.9k crit. I don't know if they had a shield up or not, but that damage was so paltry I wanted to altf4. I think I was using an Infused Maul, I had the heavy weapons passive and about 30 points into pierce. Damage sucked bad.

Dracane · August 2015

Xael wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

@Xael yeah i grabbed sharpened weapons off the v14 template

@xylena i cAN tell you this much, not using Sharpened Maces at this point is terrible. I did a Wrecking Blow as a Stam Sorc with 3k Weapon Dmg (the max I can have with this v16 premade crap) and hit another sorc for 5.9k crit. I don't know if they had a shield up or not, but that damage was so paltry I wanted to altf4. I think I was using an Infused Maul, I had the heavy weapons passive and about 30 points into pierce. Damage sucked bad.

HAHAHAHA ! @Xael , that was a good one

glorious. 'I wanted to altf4 to escape this shamefull situation'

Xael · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Btw, another very interesting change that was in the patchnotes.
Shadow Cloak no longer has this bug that makes you immune to single target attacks even though you're detected ? Anyone can confirm this in game ?

Shadow Cloak never made you immune to single target attacks. People (NBs) were complaining that Shadow Cloak was not working against Charge (all forms) and single target abilities. This is something that was not supposed to happened according to Eric Wrobel. You have it backwards. The patch notes addressed this (go read them) that NBs will now be affected only by those who have the detect pot active with those types of attacks.

Derra · August 2015

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Btw, another very interesting change that was in the patchnotes.
Shadow Cloak no longer has this bug that makes you immune to single target attacks even though you're detected ? Anyone can confirm this in game ?

Shadow Cloak never made you immune to single target attacks. People (NBs) were complaining that Shadow Cloak was not working against Charge (all forms) and single target abilities. This is something that was not supposed to happened according to Eric Wrobel. You have it backwards. The patch notes addressed this (go read them) that NBs will now be affected only by those who have the detect pot active with those types of attacks.

Try hitting a nightblade with singletarget magica ranged attacks on the live server. Cloak makes those attacks a forced miss bc they are somehow considered debuffs by the gameengine.

BRogueNZ · August 2015

Finally..

Xael · August 2015

Derra wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Btw, another very interesting change that was in the patchnotes.
Shadow Cloak no longer has this bug that makes you immune to single target attacks even though you're detected ? Anyone can confirm this in game ?

Shadow Cloak never made you immune to single target attacks. People (NBs) were complaining that Shadow Cloak was not working against Charge (all forms) and single target abilities. This is something that was not supposed to happened according to Eric Wrobel. You have it backwards. The patch notes addressed this (go read them) that NBs will now be affected only by those who have the detect pot active with those types of attacks.

Try hitting a nightblade with singletarget magica ranged attacks on the live server. Cloak makes those attacks a forced miss bc they are somehow considered debuffs by the gameengine.

I will be doing that as soon as I ride my slow ass horse to get this mundus thats way the hell out of the way... yay for halfass PTS.

Xael · August 2015

xylena wrote: »

@Xael yeah i grabbed sharpened weapons off the v14 template

@xylena

Sharpened Greatwords or daggers don't count. They have always been working as intended. The issue was Sharpened Mauls/Maces with the passives Heavy Weapons / Twin Blade and Blunt. If you are not using a Mace or Maul it's impossible to test it. The V14 templates dont give a sharpened maul, only a greatsword and daggers.

Calluna · August 2015

well I am sure someone with a copied character from EU could test this right quick. Maybe ask around because it is a good question.

Dracane · August 2015

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Btw, another very interesting change that was in the patchnotes.
Shadow Cloak no longer has this bug that makes you immune to single target attacks even though you're detected ? Anyone can confirm this in game ?

Shadow Cloak never made you immune to single target attacks. People (NBs) were complaining that Shadow Cloak was not working against Charge (all forms) and single target abilities. This is something that was not supposed to happened according to Eric Wrobel. You have it backwards. The patch notes addressed this (go read them) that NBs will now be affected only by those who have the detect pot active with those types of attacks.

It did. Use a detection potion against a cloaking Nightblade. They will be immune to things like force shock, crystal shard and such things. These are the single target attacks I'm using and they get absorbed and do nothing.

I'm sure this doesn't count for all attacks. But for the ones I'm using, it does and this must be a bug or so. Glad they solved it

Draehl · August 2015

The situation we are describing that should be fixed is when there is NOT a detect pot active. Cloaking should drop all incoming single target attacks/effects on a non-detected NB, no exceptions. Except some were still going through...

Dracane · August 2015

Draehl wrote: »

The situation we are describing that should be fixed is when there is NOT a detect pot active. Cloaking should drop all incoming single target attacks/effects on a non-detected NB, no exceptions. Except some were still going through...

I was asking for the detected cloak though. That's what they've said in the patchnotes and I wanted to know, if it really works now.

So sad, cloak never bugs against me. I was fighting sooo many NBs, and never saw a single buggy cloak. My attacks are gone without mercy as soon as the cloak. Wish I was so lucky

Master_Kas · August 2015

Xael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Btw, another very interesting change that was in the patchnotes.
Shadow Cloak no longer has this bug that makes you immune to single target attacks even though you're detected ? Anyone can confirm this in game ?

Shadow Cloak never made you immune to single target attacks. People (NBs) were complaining that Shadow Cloak was not working against Charge (all forms) and single target abilities. This is something that was not supposed to happened according to Eric Wrobel. You have it backwards. The patch notes addressed this (go read them) that NBs will now be affected only by those who have the detect pot active with those types of attacks.

Try hitting a nightblade with singletarget magica ranged attacks on the live server. Cloak makes those attacks a forced miss bc they are somehow considered debuffs by the gameengine.

I will be doing that as soon as I ride my slow ass horse to get this mundus thats way the hell out of the way... yay for halfass PTS.

Some attacks miss on nightblades who are cloaked even on live (noticed this when using detectpots on my sorcerer) CF, light attacks, crushing shock miss (They play the animation but the hit never does damage) unless you curse them out of cloak/streak through them

This wasn't the case with ALL skills tough

DeanTheCat · August 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Btw, another very interesting change that was in the patchnotes.
Shadow Cloak no longer has this bug that makes you immune to single target attacks even though you're detected ? Anyone can confirm this in game ?

Shadow Cloak never made you immune to single target attacks. People (NBs) were complaining that Shadow Cloak was not working against Charge (all forms) and single target abilities. This is something that was not supposed to happened according to Eric Wrobel. You have it backwards. The patch notes addressed this (go read them) that NBs will now be affected only by those who have the detect pot active with those types of attacks.

Try hitting a nightblade with singletarget magica ranged attacks on the live server. Cloak makes those attacks a forced miss bc they are somehow considered debuffs by the gameengine.

I will be doing that as soon as I ride my slow ass horse to get this mundus thats way the hell out of the way... yay for halfass PTS.

Some attacks miss on nightblades who are cloaked even on live (noticed this when using detectpots on my sorcerer) CF, light attacks, crushing shock miss (They play the animation but the hit never does damage) unless you curse them out of cloak/streak through them

This wasn't the case with ALL skills tough

The first second of Dark Cloak being activated ensures 4 projectiles that are either in flight or launched at the Nightblade will miss. This check is done on the clientside, which means that if you are have sub-100 ping fighting a Lagblade (A 300+ ping NB), that force miss duration may seem way longer then 1 second.

I'm not sure if it still works like this in the current version of the PTS though. Can't download it because it downloads at an awesome sub-100kbps. I'm sure it will be done sometime next year...