Trophy Vaults

Paulhewhewria

I know this doesn't add new thing new,but Training are you kidding me for new max level gear someone thought it was a good idea to put Training on it LOL WTH.

Dagoth_Rac

cjthibs wrote: »

Any additions increase diversity. That's kind of what the word diversity means.

I am not talking simple addition, I am talking multiplication. For VR16 gear, if you have 20 dropped armor sets and 25 crafted armor sets and 3 jewelry sets and 10 Undaunted sets, the possible set combinations are:

45 x 3 x 10 = 1,350

If you have 41 armor sets and 7 jewelry sets and 10 Undaunted sets, the possible set combinations are:

41 x 7 x 10 = 2,870

Same number of actual VR16 sets, but a huge increase in possible combinations.

But it is even worse because the 3 current jewelry sets are clearly geared toward specific builds. There is almost certainly only 1 jewelry set that will work well with any particular build, so that multiplier is usually going to be 1 for any particular character. While not every armor or Undaunted set works for every build (a Healer does not want Black Rose, etc.), there are still multiple VR16 armor and Undaunted choices for all builds.

And don't forget that in the current game, a lot of VR12 gear is still viable because it uses the same glyphs as VR14 gear. But VR16 is not one, but two, enchantment potency tiers above VR14. So even if the set bonuses of an old VR14 set look nice, you will be losing a lot by being stuck with third rate enchantments on those VR14 items.

It is about opportunity cost. Is there more diversity in Update 7? Yes, but they missed the opportunity to make a big increase in build diversity with minimal effort, by just adding a few less armor sets and a few more jewelry sets.

Especially with the inability to craft jewelry! Players are up to their eyeballs in armor, both crafted and dropped. But there is a very limited amount of jewelry.

silky_soft

training, sturdy and exploration should never appear on a VR item.

Septimus_Magna

silky_soft wrote: »

training, sturdy and exploration should never appear on a VR item.

True, I also feel like Sturdy and Reinforced traits should be joined, just as Training and Exploration.
No need for so many useless traits in the game, especially on veteran top tier gear.

RNG is fine but please make it so that its not ruining a potential good piece.
RNG upon RNG upon RNG makes for a really small chance to get something useful.

Teiji

That's so disappointing.

Please fix traits. Please, it would be a huge, positive and very pleasant quality of life change.

Training from gathering so many trophy items is tragic, why do they make it so difficult for us to get a sense of reward and accomplishment for getting cool gear with terrible traits. It's senseless and not player friendly at all.

Fornacis

olemanwinter wrote: »

Where do you get the new imperial daedric motif from if not these vaults?

I HATE THE RNG IN THIS GAME btw

I found a chapter that dropped from a sweeper.

silky_soft

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

training, sturdy and exploration should never appear on a VR item.

True, I also feel like Sturdy and Reinforced traits should be joined, just as Training and Exploration.
No need for so many useless traits in the game, especially on veteran top tier gear.

RNG is fine but please make it so that its not ruining a potential good piece.
RNG upon RNG upon RNG makes for a really small chance to get something useful.

Just get rid of Sturdy all together and buff durability across the board.
Make Training all kinds of XP and change Yellow to 3.5%.
Add pen to Nirnhoned and Reinforced. Change Reinforced to only physical damage or say just say physical damage for the tooltip and use Nirnhoned scaling.
Add Critical Damage to Impenetrable.
Put Movement Speed with Well-Fitted.
Scale Infused % back to inline with the same % value that Nirnhoned is but let it affect all armor pieces.
Add a trait like Divines but with % boost of Nirnhoned for increasing accessory glyphs effectiveness.
Last new trait make it so that it adds a boost to the set piece effectiveness of that item. Max yellow out at 3% and cap it at 15% per set to stop people having 7/5. Sure as hell don't need to come up against someone with 21% boost to their Whitestrakes. This doesn't affect duration, chance of proc, range, reduce cooldown. Just the 2,3,4 set bonus and for 5th only regen, health, mag, stam, weapon and spell damage, speed, healing, by now you should get my drift of what it shouldn't boost.

Merge Charged and Powered.
Add new trait, use Amethyst, that increases healing done and received 6/12%
Increase Defending to 9/18%
Increase Precise to 7/14%
Increase Weighted to 7.5/15%
Now it's fixed(tm) Increase Sharpened to 9/18% to be inline with Defending and Nirnhoned.
Training as per armor. 3.5/7%

Some variety in gear choice would be welcome. Adding more variables would bring out some different builds. Would make the grind less boring as you are always trying to get new builds to counter the new FOM.

Docmandu

Training.. rofl.. such trolls @ ZOS

LaerothKeykalyn

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Elfdominion4 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

allenv30b14_ESO wrote: »

bone shards,

Thanks!

lol ,second time and 78 gold

That axe is part of the jewelry/weapon mini-sets that are supposed to drop from the Trophy Vault treasure chests (Agility, Endurance, and Willpower.)

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/205276/where-can-get-this-suit#latest

Jar_Ek

Personally I would love a batch of legendary tempers to be in a treasure vault... enoughh for an upgrade.

Sacadon

Training traits being used on any drops at this point is clearly a ZOS Freudian Slip... Someone needs some training badly!

Anazasi

lets all face it the idea of a vault is pretty cool, the only let down is the gear is random. You know its a vault right? Items should be hanging or sitting around the room for players to pick up. Yes player choice should matter. when you obtain the randomly dropped number of items to enter a vault you should have 1 choice to pick up whatever you want, All the appropriate items should be viewable in the vault. The chest well, it should hold gold nothing else. I really feel if players are going to grind random stuff to open a vault the player has earned the right to choose what they want.

And on a side note, BLUE item in a vault what, seriously, was the emperor a hoarder of crap? All items should be gold! Its the Emperors Vault......

Lionxoft

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Elfdominion4 wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

allenv30b14_ESO wrote: »

bone shards,

Thanks!

lol ,second time and 78 gold

That axe is part of the jewelry/weapon mini-sets that are supposed to drop from the Trophy Vault treasure chests (Agility, Endurance, and Willpower.)

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Why put a training trait on a piece of vr16 gear? Please, start playing your game or let someone else handle these tasks. A year after release and traits are still garbage on dropped sets.

Dropped sets at max level should only come in impenetrable, nirnhoned, reinforced/defending, infused, divines, precise and sharpened. I'm not sure anyone uses powered or charged but the aforementioned traits are a good start. Max level characters have absolutely no use for training, well fitted or sturdy traits. The fact that they are still dropping with those traits shows an air of negligence to what the gamers want to see.

Birdovic

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Why put a training trait on a piece of vr16 gear? Please, start playing your game or let someone else handle these tasks. A year after release and traits are still garbage on dropped sets.

Dropped sets at max level should only come in impenetrable, nirnhoned, reinforced/defending, infused, divines, precise and sharpened. I'm not sure anyone uses powered or charged but the aforementioned traits are a good start. Max level characters have absolutely no use for training, well fitted or sturdy traits. The fact that they are still dropping with those traits shows an air of negligence to what the gamers want to see.

Couldnt have said better, 100% agreeing with you.
Imagine: You took so long to collect 60 randomly dropped items to finally open a treasure room and get disappointed like hell. Im already scared to open it, because the chance is high to be disappointed, and im sure im not alone with that, this Thread has proven that.
Please make those efforts feel rewarding (we are talking about a big big treasure room full with invaluable items!).

Since this treasure room will rarely be opened, this is how it should actually look like:
- Rare Set Items on Players Level/ VR (ONLY with Divines, impenetrable, Reinforced, Infused, Sharpened, Defending)
- Random Amount of Gold (between 750 - 4500 gold)
- Random Amount of Upgrade Materials (2 - 3 Upgrade Materials,ONLY Purple/Gold)
- Random Amount of Materials needed for VR 16 gear (5-20 items of random types,)
- 10% Chance to get a Glyph with the new Enchantment which is added with Imperial City
- 10% Chance to get the new Runes which are added with Imperial City
- 10% Chance for a Nirnhoned Armour Piece/ Weapon
- 10% Chance for a Nirnhoned material
- 10% Chance for a Glass Style Page or Xyvkin Style Page
- 10% Chance for a new, Imperialcity excklusive Costume

ScruffyWhiskers

Not having opened one yet, I can't say for sure but my guess is Treasure Vaults need more cowbell!

The suggestions in the post above by andypapp16_ESO would be a great place to start.

Rinmaethodain

Wow,

Seriously, this is pathetic. Training on end game gear?? Exploration??
And people who decide that its good to put such useless trait on VR16 gear are deciding on unjustified nerfs like "0 stamina regen while blocking".
Agree with @Lionxoft ZOS should start playing their game, and maybe they should play all of the roles/classes in game, not just DPSes because some of the changes they make to game, look like if they never played any other class than DPS.

anitajoneb17_ESO

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Agree with @Lionxoft ZOS should start playing their game, and maybe they should play all of the roles/classes in game, not just DPSes because some of the changes they make to game, look like if they never played any other class than DPS.

DPS is a role, not a class. Just sayin'.

Tannus15

From memory they have changed traits to be RNG on weapons.

From 1.7 onwards set items won't have predetermined traits anymore.

Though I don't think anyone would complain if training and exploration were removed from the RNG for VR14+

syzmic

All Items from V10 and above should have no traits at all so we should use a blacksmith.Clothier & Woodworker to ADD our own traits to them or give us an ability to remove and add or own.

Problem solved.

Leandor

If you insist on this random trait crap, at least remove training, exploration, sturdy and impenetrable (armor) respectively training, charged and powered (weapons) from the list.

Stop that forced grind.

Farorin

syzmic wrote: »

All Items from V10 and above should have no traits at all so we should use a blacksmith.Clothier & Woodworker to ADD our own traits to them or give us an ability to remove and add or own.

Problem solved.

I do like the idea of being able to add or remove traits with a high enough craft skill and the right items.

Darlon

Farorin wrote: »

syzmic wrote: »

All Items from V10 and above should have no traits at all so we should use a blacksmith.Clothier & Woodworker to ADD our own traits to them or give us an ability to remove and add or own.

Problem solved.

I do like the idea of being able to add or remove traits with a high enough craft skill and the right items.

I would leave it at adding traits... and once added keep it there permanently...

Enodoc

Perhaps these items have Training/Exploration on them for that lucky Level 20 player who just managed to get into the vault after reaching Imperial City for the first time.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

Enodoc wrote: »

Perhaps these items have Training/Exploration on them for that lucky Level 20 player who just managed to get into the vault after reaching Imperial City for the first time.

Wow. I'll craft a training weapon for every lvl 20 that I meet in Cyrodiil, if I could get rid of the useless traits on my gear in exchange.

Lionxoft

Enodoc wrote: »

Perhaps these items have Training/Exploration on them for that lucky Level 20 player who just managed to get into the vault after reaching Imperial City for the first time.

So why is it applied to a VR16 weapon? Lol the logic is so flawed in your statement I can't even continue. Keep making excuses as to why ZOS won't fix their loot issues. We will then laugh at said excuses.

Leandor

Lionxoft wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Perhaps these items have Training/Exploration on them for that lucky Level 20 player who just managed to get into the vault after reaching Imperial City for the first time.

So why is it applied to a VR16 weapon? Lol the logic is so flawed in your statement I can't even continue. Keep making excuses as to why ZOS won't fix their loot issues. We will then laugh at said excuses.

Oh come on, the sarcasm in @Enodoc 's post smells like 15 miles upwind, even in writing.

BalgusFlinn

Make it so we can retrait an item.

Fissh

TRAINING. TRAININg. TRAINIng. TRAINing. TRAIning. TRAining. TRaining. Training. training.....

Someone please tell someone about optimization at v16. APPARENTLY, no one at ZoS plays endgame.....

Junipus

Anyone who knows, knows that ZOS don't play their game or end game like most players do. Watching them is like watching a bunch of handicapped rabbits organise a bbq.

As long as we continue to provide feedback for them then they'll be able to see how their game is really being played

Jar_Ek

Something like the suggestion by @andypappb16_ESO should be done for Treasure Vaults, but they should also be time locked for individual players, so they cannot be over farmed. Maybe a 20hr time lock or maybe more. Also agree with blacksmith retraiting would be a nice feature.