PVP Update, June 2015

Darklord_Tiberius

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Seeing as the thread I was about to put this in was deleted I'll post it here this is ESO PVP

This is why people complain because of crap like this, this is the reason why the majority of players don't even want to step foot into Cyrodiil
21:21:41 =Ambush 4,046
21:21:41 =Surprise Attack 6,769
21:21:41 =Light Attack 3,246
21:21:41 =Befouled Wpn 300
21:21:41 =Soul Harvest 8,423

No lag, as soon as the Ambush hit me I died, GG Animation Cancelling

This is unrelated to animation cancelling but instead related to the way ESO handles latency.

Has nothing to do with latency and everything to do with macros and animation canceling. Don't be so naive, unless you do macros, then you are just trying to shift attention away from it.

Darklord_Tiberius

Valnas wrote: »

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

nothing in that death recap is an exploit .... thats just how nb abilities fire. Like if you use a heavy destro folowing by a insta frag followed by a lt crush shock it'll all land w/o 1 second. this is called burst mechanics. stop calling hacks.

Lets all count now out loud and repeat 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 In the time between the 1 and the 2 three attacks are activated

With crapy animation cancelling it is possible and its also possible to have a macro do this as well for you for a perfect BURST opener as you put it.

Crap combat mechanics that needs fixing

ambush applies dmg after a 1 second cast time

befouled weapon is an echant

light attacks, ultimates like harvest, abilities, bash, block are all on seperate cooldowns.

animation cancelling isn't an exploit

It is an exploit when used with macros, manual animation canceling is allowed. They already said this many many times.

Most_Awesome

Valnas wrote: »

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

nothing in that death recap is an exploit .... thats just how nb abilities fire. Like if you use a heavy destro folowing by a insta frag followed by a lt crush shock it'll all land w/o 1 second. this is called burst mechanics. stop calling hacks.

Lets all count now out loud and repeat 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 In the time between the 1 and the 2 three attacks are activated

With crapy animation cancelling it is possible and its also possible to have a macro do this as well for you for a perfect BURST opener as you put it.

Crap combat mechanics that needs fixing

ambush applies dmg after a 1 second cast time

befouled weapon is an echant

light attacks, ultimates like harvest, abilities, bash, block are all on seperate cooldowns.

animation cancelling isn't an exploit

Yes Ambush hits and causes damage at the start of 1 fit in a surprise attack, light attack and ult then 2 = Dead

The majority of players in this game would rather play with mechanics that follow the animations, its complete rubbish that you can cancel the animations and get TTK to 1 second. If nothing is done about it there will come a point where there is only people who use it in cyrodiil and when that point comes you might as well all be running around as white hit boxes and forgo any sort of graphics or animation.

Shakenbake393

Is anyone talking about skills not working while fighting? It's nearly impossible for me to ever use cloak.

Septimus_Magna

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Valnas wrote: »

nothing in that death recap is an exploit .... thats just how nb abilities fire. Like if you use a heavy destro folowing by a insta frag followed by a lt crush shock it'll all land w/o 1 second. this is called burst mechanics. stop calling hacks.

Lets all count now out loud and repeat 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 1-2 In the time between the 1 and the 2 three attacks are activated

With crapy animation cancelling it is possible and its also possible to have a macro do this as well for you for a perfect BURST opener as you put it.

Crap combat mechanics that needs fixing

ambush applies dmg after a 1 second cast time

befouled weapon is an echant

light attacks, ultimates like harvest, abilities, bash, block are all on seperate cooldowns.

animation cancelling isn't an exploit

Yes Ambush hits and causes damage at the start of 1 fit in a surprise attack, light attack and ult then 2 = Dead

The majority of players in this game would rather play with mechanics that follow the animations, its complete rubbish that you can cancel the animations and get TTK to 1 second. If nothing is done about it there will come a point where there is only people who use it in cyrodiil and when that point comes you might as well all be running around as white hit boxes and forgo any sort of graphics or animation.

I can kill people in 1 second without animation cancelling, curse + cfrags can do 20k+ damage.
Animation cancelling isnt the only reason why the TTK is so low.

Xvorg

Valnas wrote: »

nothing in that death recap is an exploit .... thats just how nb abilities fire. Like if you use a heavy destro folowing by a insta frag followed by a lt crush shock it'll all land w/o 1 second. this is called burst mechanics. stop calling hacks.

So guys, you haven't tried focus grim + Destro heavy + impale?

Lord_Draevan

Question, @ZOS_BrianWheeler : are these changes coming in the Imperial City update?

ZOS_BrianWheeler

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Question, @ZOS_BrianWheeler : are these changes coming in the Imperial City update?

Yepper!

PhxOldGamer68

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Question, Sir. Is ZOS considering resetting the maps at the end of the campaign so that the campaign starts fresh and active groups/guilds/players can battle it out until a winner is decided at the end of the campaign? Rislav has the same Emperor and controlled by AD, and I bet that Emperor's guild/group is not actively playing anymore because there's nothing to capture.

mastertech

What about a text chat box and showing damage points and points req to next level ?!!!

ZOS_BrianWheeler

We have discussed full resets but there's no ETA on when that would occur yet.

Takllin

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We have discussed full resets but there's no ETA on when that would occur yet.

Please put this in place with IC. While buff servers will no longer be a thing, there is still a lot of players who think that keeping a map painted one color, and squashing any kind of resistance to taking even a resource, is good for PvP.

If you want us to spread out to reduce lag, this would be a step in the right direction. Right now we are stuck with 1 or 2 campaigns because of buff servers and those who love to gate camp...

WebBull

Takllin wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We have discussed full resets but there's no ETA on when that would occur yet.

Please put this in place with IC.

That would seem the most logical. Not sure what is so difficult in figuring out an ETA. Put it in with the next update.

Attorneyatlawl

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We have discussed full resets but there's no ETA on when that would occur yet.

Back in the day during beta, Kodiak (the bear guy in Teamspeak ) related to me having a discussion with you regarding campaign control and resets @ZOS_BrianWheeler . In broad strokes because that was a private conversation and I don't want to intrude on that, and second-hand of course as I was not in it and thus can't say if his relation of what you felt was completely accurate, he mentioned that there was a disagreement regarding whether the idea of the smaller factions teaming up against the dominant one would play out, and territory resets between campaign timers when pinging ideas around on design a bit.

He had told me that in it, he'd advocated that territory resets would be a good thing for the gameplay in practice even though it went against the idea of persistent campaigns, and that his experience was in Guild Wars 2 with a somewhat similar idea of a setup, that the resets spurred activity and helped encourage players on the losing end of things to come try again. At that time I didn't agree with him, and he had told me (once more, just to be clear, this is entirely second-hand, so not only feel free to correct me if this is not right, but don't think anything of doing so!) that you'd agreed more with the viewpoint I had, which was that it would play out along the lines of how DAOC did with the factions clawing their way back and that the underdogs would ultimately tend to push into the larger enemy.

It's been around... hm, I'd say probably roughly 20 months since then . Bearing in mind that I played DAOC for around six and a half years almost continuously with minimal breaks, and another several months after that sporadically (and having heard in some of the PVP teamspeaks I've listened in their thoughts as to how they did not want to simply occupy and crush a campaign because it leads to the buff server problem and isn't good sportsmanship, resulting in many non-organized players giving up whether they should be or not) I have to say at this point in time I feel it would be the right move to look at how to implement full resets and work towards doing so, between campaign timers.

In addition to the morale aspect in the playerbase, @Kodiak had enthusiastically talked about how when those resets hit in that other game, there was always a flood of activity, and it acted as a great focal point nearly like a mini-event as everyone knew, "Oh man, the reset's at 6pm, let's form up!" and there would be tons of action that continued on for awhile before the territory game played out as it would after . That example stuck with me when thinking about what to write when noticing this post on the dev tracker, to say the least.

ZOS_BrianWheeler

The only hitch with doing the full reset right now is we need some coder time to actually do it, which is why there isn't an ETA.

Takllin

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

The only hitch with doing the full reset right now is we need some coder time to actually do it, which is why there isn't an ETA.

This could really breathe more life into PvP for a lot of the playerbase...The two popular campaigns are almost constantly plagued with lag, and it is very demotivating when you switch to the other buff campaigns where you have no keeps or resources.

I know you have a lot of other things lined up, but this change would really help.

GorraShatan

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

The only hitch with doing the full reset right now is we need some coder time to actually do it, which is why there isn't an ETA.

Personally I'd prefer these things didn't reset. Trying to roll things back for the start of the next campaign is the only thing that gives meaning to the campaign when your faction is mathematically eliminated from contention.

HeroOfNone

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

The only hitch with doing the full reset right now is we need some coder time to actually do it, which is why there isn't an ETA.

Wait @ZOS_BrianWheeler, you mean some guy isn't sitting in the ZOS HQ 24/7 with a chalkboard and watching all the campaigns to update the score by hand? My illusions are broken ;_;

Attorneyatlawl

HeroOfNone wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

The only hitch with doing the full reset right now is we need some coder time to actually do it, which is why there isn't an ETA.

Wait @ZOS_BrianWheeler, you mean some guy isn't sitting in the ZOS HQ 24/7 with a chalkboard and watching all the campaigns to update the score by hand? My illusions are broken ;_;

Next will come the revelation that server hamsters aren't actually the power source!

Enodoc

For me, the persistent, non-resetting world is a good thing in balanced campaigns (you wouldn't want to lose everything you'd just gained solely due to the reset, having worked so hard to get it), but a reset would be a good thing for the dead campaigns (where one faction controls everything). Maybe it would be possible for @ZOS_BrianWheeler and the team to implement a case-based reset, where a campaign will only reset if there is currently an Underdog Bonus on that campaign. If there is an Underdog bonus, that suggests one faction is dominating, and a reset would be in the best interest of the campaign. If there is not any Underdog bonus, then the campaign is presumably reasonably balanced, and a reset would be unnecessary.

PhxOldGamer68

Played Guest campaign PS4 NA Haderus Saturday night. AD controls the entire map. AD had 2 bars. EP 1 bar and DC no bar. EP launched 3 separate attacks at the same time to spread out AD. DC happened to also be launching an attack. We re-took 4 Keeps and an Outpost. DC took over 1 Fort. A couple of hours later of back and forth fighting, AD re-took everything and taunted us at our home base. They outnumbered us so much that we were slaughtered easily as we left the base even in groups..and with siege weapons firing constantly. So many Vet 14s just standing out there taking hits without dying.

My home campaign is Juilek, which is ruled by EP so I know the feeling. I wouldn't mind a reset so that we can all go gangbusters on reset day.

Maudieu

Well, too little too late in my case. Hopefully this will fix the lag/connection issues that plague Cyrodiil for the people that still play.

jeanbulinckxub17_ESO

IMHO we got a few problems:

1) It's too easy for a well coordinated small group to take an keeper/resource. A strong PvP guild can easily take entire cyrodiil in less than a few hours.

2) Unbalanced Campaigns dominated by one faction.

3) No real challenge for PvP oriented players since they ill mostly stomp over casual players and rarely a PvP guild ill challenge another faction PvP guild (there are duels between cross faction chars from the same guild but that don't counts).

Suggestions:

1) PvP campaigns should be divided by PvP RANK (instead of a no veteran and many veteran instances).
Also it can be based on highest rank/account and not logged character/rank (or level).
Higher ranked instances can give more rewards (not only AP but XP (for CP) gold and golden materials).

2) An account (player) should elect one and only one PvP guild (from the guilds he/she is in) to be his/her PvP home guild. And each guild can get a Rank based on net players AP. That way we can segregate the underdogs putting all PvP guilds in the same instance.

3) A call to arms quest makes a lot of sense. Let's say one faction starts to get other's faction keeper. An automatic invite can be issued to all (online) players of the losing faction. If the players accepts he/she is tasked to get that keeper back in a (short) time period (let's say 30 min) (same for elder scrolls taken). If succeeded they can get a REAL recompense (golden materials, large AP amount, large gold, etc). This alone can be a great boost for casual PvP players participation and also can help balance campaigns.

Tarnumx

where is update? Did I miss it?

wraith808

Tarnumx wrote: »

where is update? Did I miss it?

It's going to be with the release of Imperial City/1.7

Tarnumx

wraith808 wrote: »

Tarnumx wrote: »

where is update? Did I miss it?

It's going to be with the release of Imperial City/1.7

It says June 2015 september is soon

wraith808

Tarnumx wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

Tarnumx wrote: »

where is update? Did I miss it?

It's going to be with the release of Imperial City/1.7

It says June 2015 september is soon

That was the date of the post, not a promised date for release.

Mountain_Dewed

Hmm, looked as if it was time to come back(from january) because i saw that dlc was comin' and thought all was fixed. I mean they wouldn't release a new dlc in Cyro without having the issues fixed first, no?

Lava_Croft

Mountain_Dewed wrote: »

Hmm, looked as if it was time to come back(from january) because i saw that dlc was comin' and thought all was fixed. I mean they wouldn't release a new dlc in Cyro without having the issues fixed first, no?

Hahahahahahahahaha.

Enodoc

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Mountain_Dewed wrote: »

Hmm, looked as if it was time to come back(from january) because i saw that dlc was comin' and thought all was fixed. I mean they wouldn't release a new dlc in Cyro without having the issues fixed first, no?

Hahahahahahahahaha.

PTS is quite smooth right now, but I'm still not overly hopeful for what happens when it goes Live. PTS just doesn't have the players or the capacity for a stress-test of Cyro.