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Thread for PC Users :)

  • MissBizz
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    Apparently they are all getting themselves sun damaged (that stuff's bad for you, you know)

    I'm sure for the majority of the daytime I sat in the shade under my awning.. with sun screen on. I get very easily sun damage, so I know better. lol
    JD2013 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    Sun?

    Nobody got any of that this weekend where I live. :'(
    Yeah, in my neck of the woods it was rainy all weekend. We very badly needed it, though. Hopefully it will have some effect on all of the forest fires.

    Forest fires? I'll send the rain over from where I am. That'll keep them at bay!

    Eeek yes. I think our entire side of Canada needs rain. So many fires this year :(

    You know @P3ZZL3 I commented on the silver key thread of yours.. then realize.. my Khajiit nightblade right now I can't make up my mind, so she is going hybrid. Those weird sets would probably be useful.. lol
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  • P3ZZL3
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    I know a few holding on to the strange set drops that no one uses, in the vain thought they get changed into something special.

    I actually emails @ZOS_RichLambert about one of the sets. IF they made it stamina based, it would ROCK!
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  • MissBizz
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    P3ZZL3 wrote: »
    I know a few holding on to the strange set drops that no one uses, in the vain thought they get changed into something special.

    I actually emails ZOS_RichLambert about one of the sets. IF they made it stamina based, it would ROCK!

    I heard he normally doesn't respond to threads he is lured into, you were lucky on the dungeon one ;)
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  • P3ZZL3
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    Now you say that....

    I think it's just a combination of:
    • War of Attriction. Post enough times and he'll say Hi - eh @ZOS_RichLambert ????? :D
    • The post really actually has to mean something, be well thought out, and not overly complex to implement :)
    • Be something where the majority are posting a trend of "Yes, we want this".
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  • Xendyn
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    He said he's not a Genie...he doesn't like being summoned
    I can understand that tho, people would be constantly screaming for him. It makes it kind of special when you get a Lambert /lurk
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  • UrQuan
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    Sun?

    Nobody got any of that this weekend where I live. :'(
    Yeah, in my neck of the woods it was rainy all weekend. We very badly needed it, though. Hopefully it will have some effect on all of the forest fires.

    Forest fires? I'll send the rain over from where I am. That'll keep them at bay!
    A couple of weeks ago the smoke from all of the forest fires was so bad here that from sunup to sundown all of the light from the sun that was getting through the smoke was a deep orange. I couldn't even see the mountains on the north shore the smoke was so bad, and those mountains are literally a 20 minute drive away. Heck, our air quality was worse than in Beijing. I've lived here my whole life, and never seen it like that. Here's a picture of what it looked like:
    vancouver-smog-smoke-forest-fire-984x500.jpg?1f48cf
    On any normal day you'd see mountains in the background of that shot.
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  • Xendyn
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    Wow. I'm fortunate, we haven't had much in the way of fires close to me this year (knocks on wood)
    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
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  • MissBizz
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    He said he's not a Genie...he doesn't like being summoned
    I can understand that tho, people would be constantly screaming for him. It makes it kind of special when you get a Lambert /lurk

    Yeah! That was the terminology used!

    Hopefully the forest fires die down.

    Hey, anyone else notice, the console text chat thread surpassed this on in page #'s? Interesting.
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  • UrQuan
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    Wow. I'm fortunate, we haven't had much in the way of fires close to me this year (knocks on wood)
    None of the forest fires were close enough to actually be a threat to my city (although they have definitely threatened other places, and caused some evacuations) - it's just that there have been so many of them in the province that the smoke was ridiculous. This satellite image shows the smoke I'm talking about from a couple of weeks ago (note: it's much much better in my area now)
    nasa-metro-vancouver-fire-smoke-satellite.jpg?1f48cf
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  • P3ZZL3
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    It got a massive boost when they all realised that they weren't going to get Text chat.

    And I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit of a Console vs PC thread war :D lol
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  • UrQuan
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    MissBizz wrote: »
    Hey, anyone else notice, the console text chat thread surpassed this on in page #'s? Interesting.
    What?!? No, we can't let another thread win! We shall double our efforts!
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    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • JD2013
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    Sun?

    Nobody got any of that this weekend where I live. :'(
    Yeah, in my neck of the woods it was rainy all weekend. We very badly needed it, though. Hopefully it will have some effect on all of the forest fires.

    Forest fires? I'll send the rain over from where I am. That'll keep them at bay!
    A couple of weeks ago the smoke from all of the forest fires was so bad here that from sunup to sundown all of the light from the sun that was getting through the smoke was a deep orange. I couldn't even see the mountains on the north shore the smoke was so bad, and those mountains are literally a 20 minute drive away. Heck, our air quality was worse than in Beijing. I've lived here my whole life, and never seen it like that. Here's a picture of what it looked like:
    vancouver-smog-smoke-forest-fire-984x500.jpg?1f48cf
    On any normal day you'd see mountains in the background of that shot.

    That is beautiful and terrifying!
    Sweetrolls for all!

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  • UrQuan
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    Sun?

    Nobody got any of that this weekend where I live. :'(
    Yeah, in my neck of the woods it was rainy all weekend. We very badly needed it, though. Hopefully it will have some effect on all of the forest fires.

    Forest fires? I'll send the rain over from where I am. That'll keep them at bay!
    A couple of weeks ago the smoke from all of the forest fires was so bad here that from sunup to sundown all of the light from the sun that was getting through the smoke was a deep orange. I couldn't even see the mountains on the north shore the smoke was so bad, and those mountains are literally a 20 minute drive away. Heck, our air quality was worse than in Beijing. I've lived here my whole life, and never seen it like that. Here's a picture of what it looked like:
    vancouver-smog-smoke-forest-fire-984x500.jpg?1f48cf
    On any normal day you'd see mountains in the background of that shot.

    That is beautiful and terrifying!
    Yeah, it felt kind of like the apocalypse. Wake up in the morning, look outside and that's what you see... For about a week all you could smell anywhere in the city (or outside the city, for that matter) was wood smoke.
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  • MissBizz
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    PTS for IC starts tomorrow folks, @P3ZZL3 will you do the honors and make us a PTS guild? Seems appropriate since you started the thread lol
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  • Reverb
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    I wonder how long it will take me to download the PTS updates, 1.6 PTS took 13 hours.
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  • Xendyn
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    Reverb wrote: »
    I wonder how long it will take me to download the PTS updates, 1.6 PTS took 13 hours.

    Gonna try to not think about that...
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  • MissBizz
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    Reverb wrote: »
    I wonder how long it will take me to download the PTS updates, 1.6 PTS took 13 hours.

    Gonna try to not think about that...

    Ouch..
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  • Anzriel
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    Reverb wrote: »
    I wonder how long it will take me to download the PTS updates, 1.6 PTS took 13 hours.

    Don't worry I'm sure it won't take much longer than 15 hours, but with the forum banter is won't feel any longer than 14 and a half.

  • Rinmaethodain
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    7 hours for me, the base patch (got PTS already downloaded)
    PTS maintenance starts around 1600 my time, it will take like 5 hours? That was already a patch that took 5 hours so this one will surely take that long. Then 7 hours of download.

    Gonna have to leave computer working overnight.
  • UrQuan
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    Wow, I don't think they've done a character copy to PTS since the one for 1.6 - my VR14 Templar is still a VR5 on PTS! Glad they're doing a copy tonight!

    So once we're all patched, should we be sending in-game mails on the PTS to @P3ZZL3 for invites to the testing guild?
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  • Enodoc
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    Wow, I don't think they've done a character copy to PTS since the one for 1.6 - my VR14 Templar is still a VR5 on PTS! Glad they're doing a copy tonight!

    So once we're all patched, should we be sending in-game mails on the PTS to @P3ZZL3 for invites to the testing guild?
    I suggest we just post our account names here, then P3ZZL3 can invite us as soon as the patch is downloaded, without having to wait for in-game requests from each of us as well.

    13GB for me will take about 16 hours :D
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  • MissBizz
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    Wow, I don't think they've done a character copy to PTS since the one for 1.6 - my VR14 Templar is still a VR5 on PTS! Glad they're doing a copy tonight!

    So once we're all patched, should we be sending in-game mails on the PTS to @P3ZZL3 for invites to the testing guild?
    I suggest we just post our account names here, then P3ZZL3 can invite us as soon as the patch is downloaded, without having to wait for in-game requests as well.

    13GB for me will take about 16 hours :D

    MissBizz is me in game tooooo :)

    I have pretty generous internet now.. so I think I'll be okay. Don't recall what update 6 was, but it wasn't THAT bad (much better than the 27 hours it took to download the game after I bought in.. back on my old internet. lol)

    So I guess that means writs and then laundry/house cleaning tonight :( Better to get it done tonight so I can play PTS tomorrow onwards :)
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  • MissBizz
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    I need to confess something... whenever I see someone refer to a guild as a "clan" I shudder a bit. Somehow.. I mentally replace clan with cult. And well, cults aren't friendly. :|

    serious-cat-meme-generator-i-are-serious-cat-this-are-serious-guild-372239.jpg
    Edited by MissBizz on July 27, 2015 9:45PM
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  • UrQuan
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    Wow, I don't think they've done a character copy to PTS since the one for 1.6 - my VR14 Templar is still a VR5 on PTS! Glad they're doing a copy tonight!

    So once we're all patched, should we be sending in-game mails on the PTS to @P3ZZL3 for invites to the testing guild?
    I suggest we just post our account names here, then P3ZZL3 can invite us as soon as the patch is downloaded, without having to wait for in-game requests from each of us as well.

    13GB for me will take about 16 hours :D
    Makes sense. My in-game account name is Ur-Quan (the dash in the middle had to be removed for my forum name because it prevented the @ feature from working properly for me).
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  • JD2013
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    My account is:

    jonas.alexander2012

    or character is Benoit Raziel.

    I am so excited :smiley:
    Sweetrolls for all!

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  • MissBizz
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    My account is:

    jonas.alexander2012

    or character is Benoit Raziel.

    I am so excited :smiley:

    So now I need to know why your forum account isn't JA2012....
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  • JD2013
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    MissBizz wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    My account is:

    jonas.alexander2012

    or character is Benoit Raziel.

    I am so excited :smiley:

    So now I need to know why your forum account isn't JA2012....

    Ah, because my middle name begins with the letter D :smile: and my nickname is JD in real life.
    Sweetrolls for all!

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  • UrQuan
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    My account is:

    jonas.alexander2012

    or character is Benoit Raziel.

    I am so excited :smiley:

    So now I need to know why your forum account isn't JA2012....

    Ah, because my middle name begins with the letter D :smile: and my nickname is JD in real life.
    You must get this all the time:
    flashback.jpg

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  • MissBizz
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    My account is:

    jonas.alexander2012

    or character is Benoit Raziel.

    I am so excited :smiley:

    So now I need to know why your forum account isn't JA2012....

    Ah, because my middle name begins with the letter D :smile: and my nickname is JD in real life.

    Yes, much easier if you use a RL nickname.. Then you actually answer people naturally :)
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  • P3ZZL3
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    Morning All.

    So, I've not managed to start the PTS download last night - to be honest, completely forgot about it...lol

    @MissBizz - Can you do the honours if you are all set up and downloaded today? Mine prob. won't be downloaded until tomorrow (over night tonight) and then I won't be back from work until circa 7.00pm GMT tomorrow. Might be a little earlier :)

    The most important part - the Guild Name - Popcorn PTS

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