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  • Sallington
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    It's mother flippin' Friday!
    Daggerfall Covenant
    Sallington - Templar - Stormproof - Prefect II
    Cobham - Sorcerer - Stormproof - First Sergeant II
    Shallington - NightBlade - Lieutenant |
    Balmorah - Templar - Sergeant ||
  • Reverb
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    The forums discussions seem more varied lately. Half of the threads for so long have either been Addon Envy or Text Chat Envy (whether the poster realized it or not). The rest were mostly impotent, and largely funny, rage. But the last few days there's been less need to hide out in here. Also less risk of my being slapped with the banhammer :)
    Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche
  • Xendyn
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    Aye, give us a chance to restock the

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    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • JD2013
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    Everyone got popcorn for the stream later? :smiley:
    Sweetrolls for all!

    Christophe Mottierre - Breton Templar with his own whole darn estate! Templar Houses are so 2015. EU DC

    PC Beta Tester January 2014

    Elder of The Black
    Order of Sithis
    The Runners

    @TamrielTraverse - For Tamriel related Twitter shenanigans!
    https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/

    Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!
  • Xendyn
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    Everyone got popcorn for the stream later? :smiley:

    I'm ready and I'll even share

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    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • UrQuan
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    MissBizz wrote: »
    Speaking of holidays/vacation, I'll be away this weekend :)

    24-ok-fine-i-ll-go-camping-funny-meme.jpg

    Just need to make sure I do my writs and start my nirn research at lunch time ;)
    Well, you already know my thoughts on this "camping" of yours but... If you're not hiking into the wilderness with nothing but what you can carry on your back, it ain't really camping!

    I'm sure it'll be fun anyway though :)
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • Shunravi
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Speaking of holidays/vacation, I'll be away this weekend :)

    24-ok-fine-i-ll-go-camping-funny-meme.jpg

    Just need to make sure I do my writs and start my nirn research at lunch time ;)
    Well, you already know my thoughts on this "camping" of yours but... If you're not hiking into the wilderness with nothing but what you can carry on your back, it ain't really camping!

    I'm sure it'll be fun anyway though :)
    You haven't done camping untill you have had the experience of truly roughing it. Aka a sharp knife and the clothes on your back and that's it... :P
    This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!
  • Sallington
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    Shunravi wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Speaking of holidays/vacation, I'll be away this weekend :)

    24-ok-fine-i-ll-go-camping-funny-meme.jpg

    Just need to make sure I do my writs and start my nirn research at lunch time ;)
    Well, you already know my thoughts on this "camping" of yours but... If you're not hiking into the wilderness with nothing but what you can carry on your back, it ain't really camping!

    I'm sure it'll be fun anyway though :)
    You haven't done camping untill you have had the experience of truly roughing it. Aka a sharp knife and the clothes on your back and that's it... :P

    Just make sure you don't run into a wild Tommy Lee Jones.

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    Daggerfall Covenant
    Sallington - Templar - Stormproof - Prefect II
    Cobham - Sorcerer - Stormproof - First Sergeant II
    Shallington - NightBlade - Lieutenant |
    Balmorah - Templar - Sergeant ||
  • Rinmaethodain
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    Everyone got popcorn for the stream later? :smiley:

    Damn, 4:30 PM CT for quakecon stream is too late for me. Ill have to settle down for recap posted somewhere on forums.
  • UrQuan
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    Shunravi wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Speaking of holidays/vacation, I'll be away this weekend :)

    24-ok-fine-i-ll-go-camping-funny-meme.jpg

    Just need to make sure I do my writs and start my nirn research at lunch time ;)
    Well, you already know my thoughts on this "camping" of yours but... If you're not hiking into the wilderness with nothing but what you can carry on your back, it ain't really camping!

    I'm sure it'll be fun anyway though :)
    You haven't done camping untill you have had the experience of truly roughing it. Aka a sharp knife and the clothes on your back and that's it... :P
    You take a knife with you? I rely on finding some flint to flake with a stone in order to fashion my own tools... :p
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • MissBizz
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Speaking of holidays/vacation, I'll be away this weekend :)

    24-ok-fine-i-ll-go-camping-funny-meme.jpg

    Just need to make sure I do my writs and start my nirn research at lunch time ;)
    Well, you already know my thoughts on this "camping" of yours but... If you're not hiking into the wilderness with nothing but what you can carry on your back, it ain't really camping!

    I'm sure it'll be fun anyway though :)

    Well.. I probably couldn't carry the booze I brought.. so.. if I camped your way I probably wouldn't even have food.... lmao

    Ack, darn CDT time. Pretty sure stream is at 3:30 my time.. anyone have an idea of how long it is?
    Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord
  • Donum-Dei
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    P3ZZL3 wrote: »
    You know when you play to much ESO when.................

    Time fly, away far away
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  • UrQuan
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    MissBizz wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Speaking of holidays/vacation, I'll be away this weekend :)

    24-ok-fine-i-ll-go-camping-funny-meme.jpg

    Just need to make sure I do my writs and start my nirn research at lunch time ;)
    Well, you already know my thoughts on this "camping" of yours but... If you're not hiking into the wilderness with nothing but what you can carry on your back, it ain't really camping!

    I'm sure it'll be fun anyway though :)

    Well.. I probably couldn't carry the booze I brought.. so.. if I camped your way I probably wouldn't even have food.... lmao
    What's wrong with foraging for food? lol

    Actually, while I do bring food for me while camping, I have been known to supplement it with foraged stuff on occasion. Skunk cabbage is surprisingly tasty, as long as you're careful not to eat too much of it.
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • JD2013
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    From Quakecon:

    New big DLC packs every 12 weeks going forward.

    :smiley:
    Sweetrolls for all!

    Christophe Mottierre - Breton Templar with his own whole darn estate! Templar Houses are so 2015. EU DC

    PC Beta Tester January 2014

    Elder of The Black
    Order of Sithis
    The Runners

    @TamrielTraverse - For Tamriel related Twitter shenanigans!
    https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/

    Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!
  • Shunravi
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Speaking of holidays/vacation, I'll be away this weekend :)

    24-ok-fine-i-ll-go-camping-funny-meme.jpg

    Just need to make sure I do my writs and start my nirn research at lunch time ;)
    Well, you already know my thoughts on this "camping" of yours but... If you're not hiking into the wilderness with nothing but what you can carry on your back, it ain't really camping!

    I'm sure it'll be fun anyway though :)
    You haven't done camping untill you have had the experience of truly roughing it. Aka a sharp knife and the clothes on your back and that's it... :P
    You take a knife with you? I rely on finding some flint to flake with a stone in order to fashion my own tools... :p

    Insurance ;)
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Speaking of holidays/vacation, I'll be away this weekend :)

    24-ok-fine-i-ll-go-camping-funny-meme.jpg

    Just need to make sure I do my writs and start my nirn research at lunch time ;)
    Well, you already know my thoughts on this "camping" of yours but... If you're not hiking into the wilderness with nothing but what you can carry on your back, it ain't really camping!

    I'm sure it'll be fun anyway though :)

    Well.. I probably couldn't carry the booze I brought.. so.. if I camped your way I probably wouldn't even have food.... lmao
    What's wrong with foraging for food? lol

    Actually, while I do bring food for me while camping, I have been known to supplement it with foraged stuff on occasion. Skunk cabbage is surprisingly tasty, as long as you're careful not to eat too much of it.

    Nature is bountiful if you know what to look for. Of course, you need to know what is good... Don't want to be mistaking Death Camas for wild onions...
    This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!
  • UrQuan
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    From Quakecon:

    New big DLC packs every 12 weeks going forward.

    :smiley:
    If they stick to that I'd be pretty happy... Didn't they say something very similar back at launch though?
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • JD2013
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    From Quakecon:

    New big DLC packs every 12 weeks going forward.

    :smiley:
    If they stick to that I'd be pretty happy... Didn't they say something very similar back at launch though?

    Personally, I always thought 4 - 6 weeks was pretty naive.

    If they can stick to that I will be very happy.
    Sweetrolls for all!

    Christophe Mottierre - Breton Templar with his own whole darn estate! Templar Houses are so 2015. EU DC

    PC Beta Tester January 2014

    Elder of The Black
    Order of Sithis
    The Runners

    @TamrielTraverse - For Tamriel related Twitter shenanigans!
    https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/

    Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!
  • UrQuan
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    Shunravi wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Speaking of holidays/vacation, I'll be away this weekend :)

    24-ok-fine-i-ll-go-camping-funny-meme.jpg

    Just need to make sure I do my writs and start my nirn research at lunch time ;)
    Well, you already know my thoughts on this "camping" of yours but... If you're not hiking into the wilderness with nothing but what you can carry on your back, it ain't really camping!

    I'm sure it'll be fun anyway though :)
    You haven't done camping untill you have had the experience of truly roughing it. Aka a sharp knife and the clothes on your back and that's it... :P
    You take a knife with you? I rely on finding some flint to flake with a stone in order to fashion my own tools... :p

    Insurance ;)
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    MissBizz wrote: »
    Speaking of holidays/vacation, I'll be away this weekend :)

    24-ok-fine-i-ll-go-camping-funny-meme.jpg

    Just need to make sure I do my writs and start my nirn research at lunch time ;)
    Well, you already know my thoughts on this "camping" of yours but... If you're not hiking into the wilderness with nothing but what you can carry on your back, it ain't really camping!

    I'm sure it'll be fun anyway though :)

    Well.. I probably couldn't carry the booze I brought.. so.. if I camped your way I probably wouldn't even have food.... lmao
    What's wrong with foraging for food? lol

    Actually, while I do bring food for me while camping, I have been known to supplement it with foraged stuff on occasion. Skunk cabbage is surprisingly tasty, as long as you're careful not to eat too much of it.

    Nature is bountiful if you know what to look for. Of course, you need to know what is good... Don't want to be mistaking Death Camas for wild onions...
    Personally I only know some of what to look for, and only in my native environment (the Pacific Northwest). Plunk me down in a different ecosystem and I'd probably have to rely on the trial and error method of figuring out what I can and can't eat, which would likely lead to my untimely demise...
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • UrQuan
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    From Quakecon:

    New big DLC packs every 12 weeks going forward.

    :smiley:
    If they stick to that I'd be pretty happy... Didn't they say something very similar back at launch though?

    Personally, I always thought 4 - 6 weeks was pretty naive.

    If they can stick to that I will be very happy.
    Oh man, I forgot that they were quite that optimistic about the release schedule back then! Yeah, at least every 12 weeks is more realistic than what they initially planned.
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • JD2013
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    Grouping with other alliances is being done.

    I am not sure how I feel about that.
    Sweetrolls for all!

    Christophe Mottierre - Breton Templar with his own whole darn estate! Templar Houses are so 2015. EU DC

    PC Beta Tester January 2014

    Elder of The Black
    Order of Sithis
    The Runners

    @TamrielTraverse - For Tamriel related Twitter shenanigans!
    https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/

    Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!
  • UrQuan
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    Grouping with other alliances is being done.

    I am not sure how I feel about that.
    Really? Did they give any details on how it would work? If it's done right, I consider this to be fantastic news :D
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • JD2013
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    Grouping with other alliances is being done.

    I am not sure how I feel about that.
    Really? Did they give any details on how it would work? If it's done right, I consider this to be fantastic news :D

    They are going to do it with the dungeon LFG tool first.

    Then they are apparently going to roll it out across more things.

    I guess that will help it a lot with grouping up, which is a good thing.

    Sweetrolls for all!

    Christophe Mottierre - Breton Templar with his own whole darn estate! Templar Houses are so 2015. EU DC

    PC Beta Tester January 2014

    Elder of The Black
    Order of Sithis
    The Runners

    @TamrielTraverse - For Tamriel related Twitter shenanigans!
    https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/

    Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!
  • MissBizz
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    Grouping with other alliances is being done.

    I am not sure how I feel about that.
    Really? Did they give any details on how it would work? If it's done right, I consider this to be fantastic news :D

    Just for dungeons at first.

    Dark brotherhood and thieves guild are two separate dlcs and will be after orsinium
    Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord
  • MissBizz
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    Oh. Someone might want to tell that guy they are adding controller support...
    Lone Wolf HelpFor the solo players who know, sometimes you just need a hand.PC | NA | AD-DC-EP | Discord
  • P3ZZL3
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    Not in the near future MissBizz :dizzy:

    Not if it's intuitive anyhows. Might work on 15 machines in the offices, but rolling out to 10000+ pc's with different set ups...a support nightmare ;) lol
    CP561 Redguard | Jabsy Templar | Stamina Build
    CP561 Breton | Jesus Beam Templar | Magicka Build Forever!
    CP561 Naked Nord | Tanky DK | Stamigicka Build

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  • UrQuan
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    Grouping with other alliances is being done.

    I am not sure how I feel about that.
    Really? Did they give any details on how it would work? If it's done right, I consider this to be fantastic news :D

    They are going to do it with the dungeon LFG tool first.

    Then they are apparently going to roll it out across more things.

    I guess that will help it a lot with grouping up, which is a good thing.
    Just with the LFG tool first? So I guess if you've got friends in another alliance and you want to group up for a dungeon you still won't be able to send them an invite for it. Well, it's a start at least, and I'm OK with them taking this one step at a time.
    Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC)
    Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC)
    Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP)
    Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD)
    J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD)
    Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC)
    Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP)
    Manut Redguard Temp (AD)
    Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP)
    Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD)
    Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP)
    Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC)
    Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP)
    Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC)
    Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp
    Someone stole my sweetroll
  • P3ZZL3
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    @UrQuan I suspect once that's stable, the friends list would be next.

    LFG is the bane in their backside....
    CP561 Redguard | Jabsy Templar | Stamina Build
    CP561 Breton | Jesus Beam Templar | Magicka Build Forever!
    CP561 Naked Nord | Tanky DK | Stamigicka Build

    ✭✭✭ Check ESO Server Status Live!: http://eso.webhub.eu/ ✭✭✭
  • Shunravi
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    Grouping with other alliances is being done.

    I am not sure how I feel about that.
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    MissBizz wrote: »
    Oh. Someone might want to tell that guy they are adding controller support...
    I'd be curious to know what percentage of PC players actually wants to use a controller with this game. I know I'm way happier using a keyboard and mouse than using a controller (I played Skyrim on both PS3 and PC, and I look at that game as proof that I'm much better and more comfortable using a keyboard and mouse), but I have no idea whether I represent the majority of PC players in that regard or not.

    I guess I could start a poll... Or search to see if there's an existing poll on the topic somewhere in the bowels of the forums. Both of those options would require some effort though, and I don't think I really care enough to bother putting in that effort :p
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