Blackwater Blade (EU)

Sil

had some funny times at DC side though we hardly gained anything
cause of most times being outnumbered. But who cares, if there is good
fighting.

New mode is many 40ish (maybe in yellow nirncrux stuff?) and builds that
you could hunt for an hour like Luci; rest is most times being either ganked by
nearly invincible 3-4 ppl ganker groups or being steamrolled 5:1,10:1.

Congrats to Luci. He broke my last wish to play this campaign as running
after him for an hour is not really the kind of pvp i wish to do;
though he may feel important.

The campaign was funny as we noobs just attacked each other, often
at Ash/nickel, and DC/AD. Some nice fights, much chaos, worthwile AP's
and a bit of not-too-serious action.

As now these new "not to catch or defeat" builds are spredaing and fights
are at DC side only being steamrolled or fight against such guys there is really no
sense for many to fight anymore. I gave up.

I dont understand exactly what teabelly all means, but I can understand him
in parts and I can understand his feelings. And i know his name fro the map.
I think many share his feelings.

On DC side we fought long for ever 1 step forward, 2 steps back.
But it was ok, as there was some challenge and AP.
Now with this many uninvincible, uncatchable mostly lvl 40ish builds,
especially on ebonheart side + the ridiculous outnumbering most of the time,
you feel no sense anymore to be part of this map, just as AP-Grind for Ebonheart.

It's a pity, but not really surprising. Anything, which makes a little bit fun can be
destroyed by some players. And it is also no solution to build the same builds.

The fantastic of this map was that even an average lvl 15 was able to do his kills
here and there and felt happy about being part of a group and have some
successes. Yes, of course, noob-fighting. But why the hell have the nonnoob
"specialists" have to own the map? If they are that good they should better fight
in the "specialists" campaigns.


You noticed a drop of population in DC in the last time? Oh, wonder!
Maybe it is that people are bored about hunting some *** 2 hours over a map
and/or get steamrolled. Some like me just quit it and give up,
as i am ever DC, nothing else.

Others just join Ebonheart, the winning side(cause so *** many of them),
making the problem of the campaign's population ratio worser and worser.

I know what i speak of, played long enough this campaign, Houligan did a good job.
And some others. And we had really great and funny times in this map.
Now the pros take over. Good luck finding enough random lvl 10s you can bring
to fight in this campaign where they now just get only instakilled, zerged, or run
2 hours behind a *** which isnt to catch.... You guys are funny XD

Valencer

ulrik.igerupb16_ESO wrote: »

Chalman keep, yeah. Seems like a lot of blue players has an unhealthy obsession with the place. How many times has half the members in groups I've been in gone off to siege Chalman after we've taken Glademist instead of following orders from crown, I've lost count. And it seldom ends well Good fighting today, though.

Ah, congrats to Luci on your emp-hood. Did you get any sleep at all this campaign?

Thanks. Got enough sleep. But to be honest, I wasn't after emperorship. Was just on a lot to help EP win the campaign.

Being a VR1 emp in BWB isn't much fun, I can tell you. My health and stamina were cut in half compared to the short time I was a lvl 49 emp and the only thing I really had going for me at that point was my Overload light attacks hitting like a truck. Even then it was difficult making good use of that with the current roll dodge meta. Felt kind of powerless as EP took a real pounding at the start of the new campaign. Only gimmick I really had at that point was near infinite bolt escapes (not that great for defending keeps). My previous sorc emperorship was way more memorable, but some EPers insisted on crowning me now at lvl 49.2...

By the way, I made sure AD and DC's scrolls were left unharmed the night and early day after I got crowned, since EP suddenly had a huge population surge. Shame the favor wasn't returned after my dethroning.

Sil wrote: »

New mode is many 40ish (maybe in yellow nirncrux stuff?) and builds that
you could hunt for an hour like Luci; rest is most times being either ganked by
nearly invincible 3-4 ppl ganker groups or being steamrolled 5:1,10:1.

Congrats to Luci. He broke my last wish to play this campaign as running
after him for an hour is not really the kind of pvp i wish to do;
though he may feel important.

Im getting the impression a certain someone else (no naming and shaming, right?) in this thread is also referring to me, although Im not entirely sure. I don't shy away from a fun (read: fair) fight, but I will try to split people up if 3-4 of them try to gang up on me. I have the tools for that, why wouldn't I use them? You wont really find me running away from a fun 1-on-1 or anything like that. Hell, finding me solo roaming in the first place is a rare occurence... too busy leading groups.

Doesn't matter, anyway. My character is VR1 now so you guys "can have fun again"

Sil

Valencer wrote: »

Im getting the impression a certain someone else (no naming and shaming, right?) in this thread is also referring to me, although Im not entirely sure. I don't shy away from a fun (read: fair) fight, but I will try to split people up if 3-4 of them try to gang up on me. I have the tools for that, why wouldn't I use them? You wont really find me running away from a fun 1-on-1 or anything like that. Hell, finding me solo roaming in the first place is a rare occurence... too busy leading groups.

Doesn't matter, anyway. My character is VR1 now so you guys "can have fun again"

I don't know what you are talking about; seems some Insider thing. Between rival ganking parties. I really don't care about it. I am atm anyways finished with the game. To much solo play, too few group activities. And this form of pvp is no fun. I look a bit in SWTor now and Secret World. SWTor was so much spoken about i am curious, how it is. Look again in here maybe in half a year again. The fresh wind of TESO unlimited is over and content is too weak. Maybe Zenimax gets some time the conclusion that an mmo where you are from V1 on banned in nearly singleplay in nearly empty Landscapes or forced in unbalanced pvp; which has only a handfull of dungeons/instances; isn't really the big hit. Maybe not.Well, who cares. I really tried to like Teso as I had some hope in this game as it came out. But too few love of the developers was spent since release. Let's see what future brings. And you guys can do what you can't let. Really noone cares.^^

Valencer

Sil wrote: »

I don't know what you are talking about; seems some Insider thing. Between rival ganking parties. ...

You were ranting about Luci, yes? That's my character. Anyway, hope you find what you're looking for in SWTOR

pppontus

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Ojustaboo

I logged on to Blackwater EU on the DC side last night. I was there for about 5 mins, went to bank, then read through last couple of pages of chat to see whats happening. Reading where a new player was simply asking for advice and what they got told, just made me log off for the night.

i screen grabbed part of it, here it is with names removed Wish I'd got the earlier bit, cant remember what was said now, but all this guy wanted was advice on how to play.

AAAA: Still, what is the aim, at the moment I'm just running around then find like 12 of some enemy and get bummed.
BBBB: Then you should change your strategy
CCCC: xD
AAAA: I thought this zone was for non maxed characters?
BBBB: yeah
AAAA: So aren't I leveled up anyway
BBBB: But you can still get better
AAAA: just knowing what I'm doing would help
DDDD: Do some googling, ask some questions, practice etc
BBBB: Type lfg to join a group and you'll learn the basics
EEEE: Maybe non vet but some of us still have skill

I wish I had the earlier bit in. All this person did was ask for advice. They get told to change their strategy, get better, google etc. I felt really sorry for them, Im, surprised they stayed with it to be honest.

When they first asked, any group could have offered them an invite and explained things to them, but no, tell them to get better instead..

I presume they got into a group, after the above, they typed LFG, then typed, something along the lines of "lfg, willing to do anything", I was saddened no one bothered to invite them the first time they asked. At that point I thought "cant be bothered with this" and logged for the night.

Way to make it a friendly welcoming place folks.

pppontus

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Sil

Valencer wrote: »

Sil wrote: »

I don't know what you are talking about; seems some Insider thing. Between rival ganking parties. ...

You were ranting about Luci, yes? That's my character. Anyway, hope you find what you're looking for in SWTOR

No, you aren't that important as you think you are, Mr. Dohvakin. You are just an example of the way the campaign changed and which gives the last drop to realize there is nothing to gain.

@pppontus: you don't get anything. People who can't discuss without the words "whining" "crying" aso, I just ignore. Best you can do with such people not only in this game. You are deeply unaware of other people, making it a purpose which has more to do with a real-life problem, than ingame things.

@Ojustaboo: Under the constant pressure of "specialists" and mini-Dohvakins the general mood in this campaign changed dramatically. It's a testfield for overbuilds now. It's easy to make a twink and level it to that level, use a given overpowerl-build and best equipment and roll the map. The average player has nothing to gain anymore in this campaign. That is what i am talking about.

Even a nice Guy like Houligan changed his behaviour dramatically under those circumstances and seems to even not notice it. Making this campain more and more elitist and the most challenging. And this brings more and more of these guys into this campaign, which was thought for beginners. But as it seems all 3 Factions have their dominated and more or less empty home-campaign, they come in this campaign to have some... "fun".

I am not ranting, btw. I just talk about how it is. The system is broke and in an endstage. I don't blame the people for doing things people do. It is normal. Zenimax doesn't care about the game. Making not only this pvp/rvr a bad joke. And leads to mass-exiting of people who realize there is nothing to gain.

Again, if some don't get it: I don't rant about people doing stuff people do, cause they can. That is normal.
I show only what is going on and blame the Company for it, as this is no way to deal with an MMO and pvp.

If someone really says that i am wrong in this point, god,... * just headbang *

pppontus

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Sil

pppontus wrote: »

Sil wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

Sil wrote: »

I don't know what you are talking about; seems some Insider thing. Between rival ganking parties. ...

You were ranting about Luci, yes? That's my character. Anyway, hope you find what you're looking for in SWTOR

No, you aren't that important as you think you are, Mr. Dohvakin. You are just an example of the way the campaign changed and which gives the last drop to realize there is nothing to gain.

@pppontus: you don't get anything. People who can't discuss without the words "whining" "crying" aso, I just ignore. Best you can do with such people not only in this game. You are deeply unaware of other people, making it a purpose which has more to do with a real-life problem, than ingame things.

Oh wow, such pretentious. If you can't stop crying, just stop playing please.

You were the one to say you're chasing Luci for an hour but you didn't wanna chase for an hour, what kind of real-life problems does that imply.. you who are such wise?

I'm sorry that there's no campaign where it's forbidden to be a good player, if that's what you are looking for? I truly cannot make out a single constructive comment in any of your posts, and if you're not going to be constructive then you'd better expect to be called out on whining.

Now isn't it typical everyone who complains around here is DC... everyone sore losers or what?

As i said... a real-life problem.

pppontus

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Valencer

pppontus wrote: »

Now isn't it typical everyone who complains around here is DC... everyone sore losers or what?

My thoughts exactly at this point. Ever since certain DCers left the campaign because it's so overcrowded it seems DC has just lost its' spirit.

I don't believe for a moment DC doesnt have the numbers to fill BWB. They regularly can and do outnumber EP in prime time nowadays. Last week there were at least 2 evenings in which DC were poplocked while AD and EP were at 3 bars. I just think a lot of people arent motivated to log in on DC sometimes for whatever reason.

Sil wrote: »

No, you aren't that important as you think you are, Mr. Dohvakin. You are just an example of the way the campaign changed and which gives the last drop to realize there is nothing to gain.

Using me as an example for anything and then pretending like I feel important because I reply to it is a little silly, don't you think? For what it's worth, most people would probably laugh at the amount of effort I put into my build. I was running white crafted lvl 26 gear up until the moment I hit vr1. But I hope you've managed to blow off some steam now.

pppontus

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Master_Fluff

Seems like I've been blessed with an aura of positiveness. There's very, very seldom any negative comments in /zone when I'm logged on. There is of course the "there's too many of them" with variations, but that doesn't really count as negative, I think.

Praeficere

The once four certainties of Blackwater Blade; in two deuces: progression and achievement, intimacy and community - now falter calumny in an echoing cessation.

The former? Vacant

The latter? Tenuous

The opium of non-vet is at its end.

HouLiGaN

Guyz, take a chill pill.

I have played with all of you guyz, and coming from my own experiance you are all really cool guyz. Really, if someone has a different opinion on something it's normal, that is to show you can think for your selfs, accept the other player's way and carry on. Only fight about facts !!

Personally I like to sometimes have some fun in the zone chat, with new guyz, like when they ask how to leave the campaign i tell them to kneel and pray and wish to get portes out or smthng, or like yesterday I got some ransoms believing that we were gonna go through a tunnel underground and attack the imperial city.. I know some will say it's mean but hey it's fun. Eventually I'll tell them the right way to do stuff, but I will have fun with it at the beginning. Heck yesterday I found a guy on he's first chat, and even tho he was dying like a fly, I told him he was Soooo Overpowered and asked him for advice, ending it by saying he has a lot of potential, even tho that was totally False( the Overpowered part) he got very excited by me telling him all that stuff , and it was amazingly funny.

As sil said, about me, that I am a good guy etc, yeah I am good, if you play with me I have a lot of patience , if you join ts I'll be willing to explain anything to anyone, knowing I have very experiance players also in ts I always am willing to open discussion because even tho I have been playing for a while now, I might even be one of the biggest noobs sometimes , and yes I have changed my attitude after a certain stage in Non-Vet we had to Up our game, sometimes It's Do or Die atmosphere in ts.

Pontus, I tottaly agree with him on many points, after playing with Pontus one day for a few hours, I understood that Quality is better then Quantity , on only prime time it's the opposite, and yes, sometimes you can't sit and explain everything to everyone, I will also sometimes be mean to some. But heck if someone is willing to learn, and is willing to listen, then yes I will invite him to my guild, make him downlaod ta, and even in guild chat I will and all of the guild members , and thank god I have very good and friendly guild members always willing to help otheres help. But if it's just one lvl 10 that just logged in and straight forward asks for advice I won't stop everything to explain probably have some fun with him in /zone but yeah u got the point.


Valencer... Ow Lucy babe One of the reasons I am willing to log in to Non-Vet and play for hours, knowing I have such an enemy on the other side just makes me excited all the time, and the way luci is always is good sport is amazing. Played with luci the other day in same group also, was very nice to play with you on the same side one of my favorite runs I had !!


Anyway guyz Duty calls me, this is based on my own experiance and opinions, you can hate, you can critic me. But yeah, even tho I will agree with you all cus everyone opinion is right. I won't change just for anybody !!
Btw, typing from iphone soo, yeah auto-correct can't fix now ...

Nallenil

And then there are champion points.... just saying...

Traveller

Congrats to pppontus Eveline ll for getting emp yesterday. Also a perhaps strange thanks to EP and AD for the great fights after when they both turned on us taking all our keeps and the last battle at our gates defending our scrolls. We could stop only one we picked AD great PVP (non-vet style). I think Blackwater Blade on PC has been going for nearly a year now and it's still great fun.

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Lisa_Lisa

Congratz to eveline on getting empress ^.^

I have to say that was the most enjoyable day I had in pvp so far. It was a fun mad rush to re-capture brk before dc got emp, sadly we missed the mark, then the dethroning after was a very fun time :P

HouLiGaN

Nallenil wrote: »

And then there are champion points.... just saying...

Meaning that people won't stay to play non-vet for champ points?? That's were all the fun is, keeping your chars that turned vet so u can grind on enlightment ;P ..

Lisa_Lisa wrote: »

Congratz to eveline on getting empress ^.^

I have to say that was the most enjoyable day I had in pvp so far. It was a fun mad rush to re-capture brk before dc got emp, sadly we missed the mark, then the dethroning after was a very fun time :P

Grats Pontus !!

Tried rushing the flags at Warden before we lost Glade, with about 8 people... Owww the purge, was very fun tho, untill the red Zerg saw what was going on we were like 2 seconds away from flipping the second flag then we got wiped ..

After we had a choice, defend scroll from ad or Ep, on one hand I would of choisen the defense against Ep, cus of the more organization they have it is Easyer to take a scroll back from Ad. But always trying to take your scroll back is nearly a fun task, so having the more co-ordinated have it makes it even more fun to take it back hehe !!

Fight at Gate was amazing , 2 small groups of like 10 blues each holded off all the ad alliance, untill we lost the other scroll, and then eventually when everyone came to the gate, the better side won xD ( Dc is my alliance so yeah, it will always be the better side for me)

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Leandor

pppontus wrote: »

It seems a bit strange with the whole 3 alliance system sometimes on BWB, a lot of people just want to put all their forces in one direction whenever they have a chance so it ends up being 2v1 all the way to the scroll gates which is .. interesting. Like AD/EP just stop fighting on their side for the entire evening and just focus all efforts on us, I understand the need to dethrone and I thank y'all for that compliment, as someone said "if they push hard to dethrone you then you scared them" but generally 2v1s stop when ash is yellow and ales is red, or that's the idea of it.. but anyway, BWB is plagued by scroll mania and I can't wait for the PvP changes that make the scrolls just give 1 point

Welcome to Azura, where blue and yellow zergs and blobs systematically try (and succeed) to make it a 2 faction campaign. Well, enjoy. Sorry for the offtopic, but we really need one campaign where blue and red make life miserable for yellow 24/7 so we have "moar balance11eleventy!"

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azoriangaming

pppontus wrote: »

teabelly wrote: »

A few nights back, & as an outed Tinfoil Hat wearer , I actually defended an EP player/nuisance for being a sorc who had a few skills & didn't spam Bolt Escape or Overload (sorry. I've never played a sorc so not sure what that sparkly spammage is called).

So imagine my embarrassment when his 6 bodyguard/minions got killed by 5 DC and EP nuisance used Bolt Escape to stop/hide behind an ally that was level 12 & spammed light attacks from behind poor random EP minion/cannon fodder/new guy & then did the same from behind a level 17, well, I guess you could say my defence of EP nuisance was no longer valid.
Oh my, was I embarrassed

I've had to offer alternative words as more than one DC player from Purple Alliance sent me a /tell explaining that 'I should watch my words' when discussing EP nuisance, and that EP nuisance is actually trying to 'help DC against AD'

Not sure why I should 'watch my words', does EP nuisance have special needs where certain words upset them or send them back to the embarrassing 'pwned' trauma he suffered in a vet campaign a few months back,

Does he have an out of date translator that causes confusion over the meaning of Please DC, I’m Trying To Help You By Sieging Sejanus/Bleakers/Rayles to Please DC Hold Your Ankles While I Carry Out Inspection.

Or does this gentle warning to a blue 'Tinfoil Hat' wearer instead mean no member of Purple alliance will ever rezz me... damn if only I cared more.

I admit it I was NOT shouting in Zone chat about the wonderful pretty patterns that EP nuisance’s bolt escape left, or showing admiration at how it only took EP nuisance & 2 level 40's to take down a level 22 & a level 28 DC, separately of course.. this is EP we're talking about here.

Nor was I giving credit to the courageous effort of EP Nuisance only coming out of a keep to play when his minions outnumber DC or AD by at least 7 to 1, which, I guess shows that DC must have actually been getting some skills for this to have happened as I’m pretty sure May started off at 3 to 1.

I was in fact voicing my own aspersions on what activities EP nuisance does in solitude of his bedroom, unforgivable I know, and I'm sure there’s many other players who have a real reason for only playing with 1 hand, so lets move on.

I'm told (please people, enough of the JC fanboi /tells) that EP nuisance is a really nice Man/boy/virgin & is a truly skilled (bolt escape?), loyal (an alt in every alliance?) and fair (7 -1?) player.

I'm also sure I've seen you run in smaller groups & actually use skills & support to have long & fun (hey there's a new word for you to try) mini battles & sieges.

Also, while we're chatting here, could you please ask your level 40 something sorc fanboy, the other Bolt Escape fan who dresses a bit emo & has a potty mouth, to stop sending my level 23 templar healer /tells requesting a 'Duel'. As the facts show, it wouldn't really be a Duel and I’m concerned he might have developed an 'attachment' to my pixel character and that proposed Duel is a feint for some ungentlemanly behaviour. Maybe someone could sit him down and explain about RL to him?

See? No personal insults, no naming & shaming, just a plain old recap about how I'm feeling about the state of BB at the moment.



I've heard AD might have players in this campaign & I’m sure they have the sole intention to come to siege a blue keep when they log on, even if they have to get past all the red ones to do it.
Hopefully the joke will be on them as DC will have no keeps & will be otherwise engaged sieging 3 of the 4 walls at Chalman. Meatbagging the postern doors...

I literally have no clue what I just read. Who are you?

You win some, you lose some.. 7 to 1 odds is all the better, more AP for you if you win. I for one welcome the red hordes, if they always play in their large groups they develop 0 individual skill and thus are very, very easy to kill.

just LOL pontus trolling people on the noobie campaign.

Leandor

pppontus wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

It seems a bit strange with the whole 3 alliance system sometimes on BWB, a lot of people just want to put all their forces in one direction whenever they have a chance so it ends up being 2v1 all the way to the scroll gates which is .. interesting. Like AD/EP just stop fighting on their side for the entire evening and just focus all efforts on us, I understand the need to dethrone and I thank y'all for that compliment, as someone said "if they push hard to dethrone you then you scared them" but generally 2v1s stop when ash is yellow and ales is red, or that's the idea of it.. but anyway, BWB is plagued by scroll mania and I can't wait for the PvP changes that make the scrolls just give 1 point

Welcome to Azura, where blue and yellow zergs and blobs systematically try (and succeed) to make it a 2 faction campaign. Well, enjoy.

Oh no, I'm staying .. I'm not going to any zergball campaign, which is exactly all the vet campaigns.

True. Sad thing is the hypocrisy of the so called top players like the different flavours of "squad". Show videos on forums with two man groups and play a 24 player zerg the second they switch off the stream... I'm constantly laughing my backside away when I see them make another of those "we don't blob" claims.

HouLiGaN

pppontus wrote: »

It seems a bit strange with the whole 3 alliance system sometimes on BWB, a lot of people just want to put all their forces in one direction whenever they have a chance so it ends up being 2v1 all the way to the scroll gates which is .. interesting. Like AD/EP just stop fighting on their side for the entire evening and just focus all efforts on us, I understand the need to dethrone and I thank y'all for that compliment, as someone said "if they push hard to dethrone you then you scared them" but generally 2v1s stop when ash is yellow and ales is red, or that's the idea of it but I think that in BWB people just continue in a straight line as long as they are winning.. and only change dircetions once they start losing. anyway, I can't wait for the PvP changes that make the scrolls just give 1 point instead of 25. then these things won't matter much

When the Pop locks, and as I noticed it has been locking quite often latly, you can't realy take 1 small group, to do much, so I just choose to follow the big blue Zerg , which is Ofc full of randoms, I guess a lot of other players do that also, making the one direction fact soOo true.

I mean I really do understand them for being scared of you, you have been EMP before, so you have experiance with the situation, and also your build is very Good, I heard you have one of the best builds that fit for EMP on Eveline II, and we all know u know what ur doing , so even I would be scared to say the truth. Also knowing you have a good bunch of experiance friends behind your back, makes it a nightmare for some hehe ...

But idk man about the scrolls going from 25 to 1 .. I mean that will be a big difference maybe a smaller nerf should of been added at first. If this happends then what we will see on most vet campaigns is officially having some campaigns blue otheres red otheres yellows, don't mean it doesn't happen now but I think with this move , it will also kill the Pvp in Vet campaigns , making BWB more PvPable, but not everyone wants to PvP in BWB, might be a bad move in the long run for the games pop.. Idk this is just a wild guess of what I think might happen if scrolls get nerfed that much ..

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Master_Fluff

Ah, yesterdays scroll reclaim was nice. And then someone was raged on in /zone because of saying everyone on Blackwater are noobs. That was entertaining while riding/running back to Ni-Mohk.

HouLiGaN

ulrik.igerupb16_ESO wrote: »

Ah, yesterdays scroll reclaim was nice. And then someone was raged on in /zone because of saying everyone on Blackwater are noobs. That was entertaining while riding/running back to Ni-Mohk.

Owww the /z can be an amazing place some times lol hehe.