Azura Star EU

Jhunn

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Ah nvm I forgot it was ash not roe. I didnt defend roe defended brindle instead for falgeir
Only 7 of us inside ash not sure what 24m group you are referring to at roe. Perhaps Pizza Express ^^

I was with @Blobsky at Ash, we were there before the raid came, who 20/20'd the sh*t out of the keep. Then we jumped inside inner and died. So 'inside' that blue zerg is probably not the correct term.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Jhunn wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Ah nvm I forgot it was ash not roe. I didnt defend roe defended brindle instead for falgeir
Only 7 of us inside ash not sure what 24m group you are referring to at roe. Perhaps Pizza Express ^^

I was with @Blobsky at Ash, we were there before the raid came, who 20/20'd the sh*t out of the keep. Then we jumped inside inner and died. So 'inside' that blue zerg is probably not the correct term.

jumping inside the inner how could you admit to such a blatant exploit XD (joking)
And I'm quite sure what I saw was a very different kind of blob

Jhunn

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

jumping inside the inner how could you admit to such a blatant exploit XD (joking)

I knew that was coming Crucify me

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Jhunn wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

jumping inside the inner how could you admit to such a blatant exploit XD (joking)

I knew that was coming Crucify me

I'm fairly shocked Kris hasn't yet. Probs too busy arranging the groups alarm clock synchronisation times or writing rousing zone pug speeches

Turelus

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Personally I don't care for the whole you zerg, we zerg thing. The day I stopped trying to defend my actions of zerging and just accepted "I'm having fun with friends/guild members and winning in the way the game best lets us" is actually the day I stopped caring what people say on these forums.

I just wanted a good target for my fun and I can't keep picking on Abraxus.

Basically I live by this article in gaming: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win
I have long advocated this as why we shouldn't be screaming "exploiter" on comms and crying about people playing with the current broken skills etc. Sure sometimes I have even come to these forums and had a grumble about issues or exploits.

As most people know (as I never shut up about it) I come from EVE Online where's everyone plays to win non-stop, the ideals of honour and fair play fell off a long time ago (GrrGoons!). If you can headshot the enemy commanders and take them out of fights you do it, if you can get a spy into fleet warp it into an ambush you do it.
I enjoy that ESO doesn't take the games PvP too much into the metagame (outside of client PvP such as hacking, TS spies, guild disbanding etc.) but I CBA poo flinging about the simple fact that everyone the moment they enter Cyrodiil should be playing to win, if you're butt hurt that someone used a tactic to beat you, suck it up and find one to beat them.

Not aimed at anyone in particular, just the whole PvP community.

I agree with you in some points. Exploit wise this should never be tolerated. (I'm talking about things which have to be done deliberately like mundus stacking not just 'OP skills').

It's why I'm not complaining about the fact ep is running their smallscale groups just suggesting that if people don't like lag they can consider other options.

Within an MMO I have a much stronger stance on exploiting.
However the sad thing is because ZOS won't confirm anything as one or the other we get a muddy field of what's an exploit.

I remember when the Caltrop bug for immunity to siege weapons was in the game, we made a solid choice in Wabbajack we would not use this to our advantage and everyone would make sure not to use it during a time it might be considered us abusing the exploit. This was when we were naive and thought ZOS would actually patch these issues quickly or punish those who used them. After spending night after night losing to this and no official support we decided to join the devil and use it as well.

The problem with exploiting within PvP in this game is entirely ZOS' fault. They have very rarely come forward and deemed something an exploit, even bypassing the gates to steal scrolls was a "grey area" as they called it. Simply put I won't give people greif any more for abusing the hell out of the exploits in the game because ZOS are the ones who can't grow a pair and actually deem something an exploit.

If you're playing to win, and that's truly what you're after, then you play the way those we deem exploiters and cheaters do. If you want to hold your own morals and limit your power based on an honour code you have developed you can't blame another for not playing by your rules.

I have seen/heard the hypocrisy of this first hand from my faction. Players who would report DC for horse jumping into a keep and say "they're exploiting as you're not meant to get inside that way" then only an hour later would be using the Nightblade shade to bypass walls themselves. If you're against exploits you're against all exploits, not just the ones which you choose not to use.

Sorry, this became more of a rant.

prootch

Turelus wrote: »

prootch, most people stick there because it's the only worthwhile PvP campaign with PvP players. The others are just one faction help PvE campaigns. Trust me I tried a bunch of campaigns trying to find a home for Wabbajack, sadly Azura is the only campaign which sees action at all hours and action which is rewarding.

Try spellbreaker in prime time no lag, action from pvp guilds on ald and dc side (and some pve boys, but does it matter).
Plus we are missing some pvp ep with real guts.

prootch

Tankqull wrote: »

[ I remember spawning at peoples camps at the other end of the entire map and there would be action there. Not to mention all the blood porting that used to happen. It was annoying but it did mean we had fighting spread across the map at times.

It was also the best way of concentratin a whole faction in one keep in a matter of seconds. Since camps are off, ninja of spawn and scroll keeps make sense, and no one can rally the whole server on a scroll run just by chain dropping camps. Not speaking of camps in or around an emp keep.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Personally I don't care for the whole you zerg, we zerg thing. The day I stopped trying to defend my actions of zerging and just accepted "I'm having fun with friends/guild members and winning in the way the game best lets us" is actually the day I stopped caring what people say on these forums.

I just wanted a good target for my fun and I can't keep picking on Abraxus.

Basically I live by this article in gaming: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win
I have long advocated this as why we shouldn't be screaming "exploiter" on comms and crying about people playing with the current broken skills etc. Sure sometimes I have even come to these forums and had a grumble about issues or exploits.

As most people know (as I never shut up about it) I come from EVE Online where's everyone plays to win non-stop, the ideals of honour and fair play fell off a long time ago (GrrGoons!). If you can headshot the enemy commanders and take them out of fights you do it, if you can get a spy into fleet warp it into an ambush you do it.
I enjoy that ESO doesn't take the games PvP too much into the metagame (outside of client PvP such as hacking, TS spies, guild disbanding etc.) but I CBA poo flinging about the simple fact that everyone the moment they enter Cyrodiil should be playing to win, if you're butt hurt that someone used a tactic to beat you, suck it up and find one to beat them.

Not aimed at anyone in particular, just the whole PvP community.

I agree with you in some points. Exploit wise this should never be tolerated. (I'm talking about things which have to be done deliberately like mundus stacking not just 'OP skills').

It's why I'm not complaining about the fact ep is running their smallscale groups just suggesting that if people don't like lag they can consider other options.

Within an MMO I have a much stronger stance on exploiting.
However the sad thing is because ZOS won't confirm anything as one or the other we get a muddy field of what's an exploit.

I remember when the Caltrop bug for immunity to siege weapons was in the game, we made a solid choice in Wabbajack we would not use this to our advantage and everyone would make sure not to use it during a time it might be considered us abusing the exploit. This was when we were naive and thought ZOS would actually patch these issues quickly or punish those who used them. After spending night after night losing to this and no official support we decided to join the devil and use it as well.

The problem with exploiting within PvP in this game is entirely ZOS' fault. They have very rarely come forward and deemed something an exploit, even bypassing the gates to steal scrolls was a "grey area" as they called it. Simply put I won't give people greif any more for abusing the hell out of the exploits in the game because ZOS are the ones who can't grow a pair and actually deem something an exploit.

If you're playing to win, and that's truly what you're after, then you play the way those we deem exploiters and cheaters do. If you want to hold your own morals and limit your power based on an honour code you have developed you can't blame another for not playing by your rules.

I have seen/heard the hypocrisy of this first hand from my faction. Players who would report DC for horse jumping into a keep and say "they're exploiting as you're not meant to get inside that way" then only an hour later would be using the Nightblade shade to bypass walls themselves. If you're against exploits you're against all exploits, not just the ones which you choose not to use.

Sorry, this became more of a rant.

It may be "playing to win" to use an exploit but it's not a 'victory'.

The whole 'an exploit is an exploit' argument isnt one that i agree with personally. There's a big difference between using crouch and block to gain stamina and being completely invisible to all players. Or intentionally killing yourself and swapping into a different set bonus to gain multiple mundus stones or using take flight to get into a keep.or redistributing your points into maras gift so you can res when you d/c and log back in compared to teleport in to a nb shade

Turelus

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Personally I don't care for the whole you zerg, we zerg thing. The day I stopped trying to defend my actions of zerging and just accepted "I'm having fun with friends/guild members and winning in the way the game best lets us" is actually the day I stopped caring what people say on these forums.

I just wanted a good target for my fun and I can't keep picking on Abraxus.

Basically I live by this article in gaming: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win
I have long advocated this as why we shouldn't be screaming "exploiter" on comms and crying about people playing with the current broken skills etc. Sure sometimes I have even come to these forums and had a grumble about issues or exploits.

As most people know (as I never shut up about it) I come from EVE Online where's everyone plays to win non-stop, the ideals of honour and fair play fell off a long time ago (GrrGoons!). If you can headshot the enemy commanders and take them out of fights you do it, if you can get a spy into fleet warp it into an ambush you do it.
I enjoy that ESO doesn't take the games PvP too much into the metagame (outside of client PvP such as hacking, TS spies, guild disbanding etc.) but I CBA poo flinging about the simple fact that everyone the moment they enter Cyrodiil should be playing to win, if you're butt hurt that someone used a tactic to beat you, suck it up and find one to beat them.

Not aimed at anyone in particular, just the whole PvP community.

I agree with you in some points. Exploit wise this should never be tolerated. (I'm talking about things which have to be done deliberately like mundus stacking not just 'OP skills').

It's why I'm not complaining about the fact ep is running their smallscale groups just suggesting that if people don't like lag they can consider other options.

Within an MMO I have a much stronger stance on exploiting.
However the sad thing is because ZOS won't confirm anything as one or the other we get a muddy field of what's an exploit.

I remember when the Caltrop bug for immunity to siege weapons was in the game, we made a solid choice in Wabbajack we would not use this to our advantage and everyone would make sure not to use it during a time it might be considered us abusing the exploit. This was when we were naive and thought ZOS would actually patch these issues quickly or punish those who used them. After spending night after night losing to this and no official support we decided to join the devil and use it as well.

The problem with exploiting within PvP in this game is entirely ZOS' fault. They have very rarely come forward and deemed something an exploit, even bypassing the gates to steal scrolls was a "grey area" as they called it. Simply put I won't give people greif any more for abusing the hell out of the exploits in the game because ZOS are the ones who can't grow a pair and actually deem something an exploit.

If you're playing to win, and that's truly what you're after, then you play the way those we deem exploiters and cheaters do. If you want to hold your own morals and limit your power based on an honour code you have developed you can't blame another for not playing by your rules.

I have seen/heard the hypocrisy of this first hand from my faction. Players who would report DC for horse jumping into a keep and say "they're exploiting as you're not meant to get inside that way" then only an hour later would be using the Nightblade shade to bypass walls themselves. If you're against exploits you're against all exploits, not just the ones which you choose not to use.

Sorry, this became more of a rant.

It may be "playing to win" to use an exploit but it's not a 'victory'.

The whole 'an exploit is an exploit' argument isnt one that i agree with personally. There's a big difference between using crouch and block to gain stamina and being completely invisible to all players. Or intentionally killing yourself and swapping into a different set bonus to gain multiple mundus stones or using take flight to get into a keep.

This is under your personal notions of what makes a victory though. Gameplay and campaign terms the victory is defined very black and white. Those left standing or being in first place at the end of it.

Zenimax set the rules for the game, and by their ruling (of not taking action and ignoring it) all of the above with the exception of invisible characters were perfectly acceptable gameplay.

Note Izanagi that I do agree with you, I think all of your points above are bugs which should have been deemed exploits, I even banned Wabbajack members from using them with threat of being removed from guild.
However without ZOS standing up and making rulings, or enforcing a style of gameplay (in the way of zerging/bombing/1vX/small group) then everything is an acceptable means to an end for winning the campaign.

One can stand tall and proclaim "we didn't zerg/nightcap/bomb/exploit and thus we lost, but at least we didn't X" but one can't take the opinion that your faction are the real winners because of that. If a faction/guild/group lose because they're not willing to step up and use the best tools to win the job they didn't deserve that victory.

To make a terrible analogy, you wouldn't go into a motorbike race and refuse to use a better tyre option "because the manufacture tax evades" and then blame your loss on every other team using the best tyre option available. You would expect the ruling body of that race to deem what is and isn't correct then make the best choices for your team to win.

Also note for as much as I advocate this "play to win" neither me or my guild actually do. I just make sure to remind them that because we chose not to play that way we have no right to cry about it when we do lose due to it. For all the abuse eXile get on these forums I rarely actually blame them for playing the game to win, my issues come from the fact they're huge trolls about it at the same time.

Any way... I should stop rambling and ranting... sorry to derail the topic from the normal back and forth! Come on you reds!

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Imo it's only a victory if there is competition or something to fight against 40vs5 isn't a victory for the 40. Also I don't consider just being 1st on the score as the only victory to be had.

It's why I put more weight on doing something during prime time or not and why winning a campaign hasn't mattered since Jan 2015 to me XD

ToRelax

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Imo it's only a victory if there is competition or something to fight against 40vs5 isn't a victory for the 40.

I think you're in the minority here...

Nermy

prootch wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

prootch, most people stick there because it's the only worthwhile PvP campaign with PvP players. The others are just one faction help PvE campaigns. Trust me I tried a bunch of campaigns trying to find a home for Wabbajack, sadly Azura is the only campaign which sees action at all hours and action which is rewarding.

Try spellbreaker in prime time no lag, action from pvp guilds on ald and dc side (and some pve boys, but does it matter).
Plus we are missing some pvp ep with real guts.

The problem is that @Turelus and the Wabbajack are looking for a campaign were there is 24/7 PvP, not just prime time... We may come visit some time though.

Nermy

Double post...

AbraXuSeXile

Nermy wrote: »

prootch wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

prootch, most people stick there because it's the only worthwhile PvP campaign with PvP players. The others are just one faction help PvE campaigns. Trust me I tried a bunch of campaigns trying to find a home for Wabbajack, sadly Azura is the only campaign which sees action at all hours and action which is rewarding.

Try spellbreaker in prime time no lag, action from pvp guilds on ald and dc side (and some pve boys, but does it matter).
Plus we are missing some pvp ep with real guts.

The problem is that @Turelus and the Wabbajack are looking for a campaign were there is 24/7 PvP, not just prime time... We may come visit some time though.

If you actually wanted pvp 24/7 you would go easy on the 20 weapons with a train at unholy times.

If theres opposition, sure why not.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

ToRelax wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Imo it's only a victory if there is competition or something to fight against 40vs5 isn't a victory for the 40.

I think you're in the minority here...

Sadly that might be true

Lava_Croft

Say A.
Do B.
Profit.

prootch

Nermy wrote: »

The problem is that @Turelus and the Wabbajack are looking for a campaign were there is 24/7 PvP, not just prime time... We may come visit some time though.

We do look for 24/7 pvp campaign too, and we are playing on azura when lag allows (that is: not in prime time).
Then we would appreciate to have visits from a tough pvp guild in prime time on ep side to improve tri faction

Lava_Croft

Azura's Star.
Don't see any meaningful zergs anywhere, for a change.
Permanent 400+ ping.

Who will I blame now?

Van_0S

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Azura's Star.
Don't see any meaningful zergs anywhere, for a change.
Permanent 400+ ping.

Who will I blame now?

DC they have become the zerg now!!!

Cogo

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Azura's Star.
Don't see any meaningful zergs anywhere, for a change.
Permanent 400+ ping.

Who will I blame now?

You are the new star after that mad solo job you did at Chalman on a whole DC team ALONE. I'm still jealous!

Yesterday the Yellows accused RED for working together with the Blues. because AD was swarming all over Chalman, where a mad group of Pact (10, maybe 12 of us, with Torsten or, Nessi leading), was defending against a DC group. The DCs number was similar to ours.

It was a long battle before finally Pact stood the ground against both Yellows and Blues at the same time! Kudos to that Blue group. Good team there. I think we wiped the Yellow group 2 times over, before we wun over the blue team.

The AD team was so many I lost count how many I killed, but thanks for those HUGE AP in like 10 mins lol.

The Blue team didn't accuse Pact directly, but I did get a question from a blue player why "Yellows was feeding Pact AP on purpose?" I can understand the DC confusion since they saw us ping pong between fighting Blues and those...many many Yellows (4am).

I can not understand why the Yellows accusing Pact or Blues for anything. That AD group plainly sucked. Blame that!

Oh yeah, I blame Kris for accusing Blues and yellows for working together to take Chalman from us! He said that, just before he did his Batman solo act on the blue team!

Oh, PACT blames me for all kinds of stuff! You can blame me as well!

Lava_Croft

I'm confused by the above post.

DeanTheCat

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I'm confused by the above post.

@Lava_Croft

Translation of the post by @Cogo :

Awesome defence at Chalman against a large number of AD and an even number of DC, and Kris is awesome because of his solo bombing of the DC group. And he blames you for saying that the green alliance is real, before you went and did that solo-bombing of yours. And he says that you can blame him for anything under the sun that doesn't pleases you.

Lava_Croft

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I'm confused by the above post.

@Lava_Croft

Translation of the post by @Cogo :

Awesome defence at Chalman against a large number of AD and an even number of DC, and Kris is awesome because of his solo bombing of the DC group. And he blames you for saying that the green alliance is real, before you went and did that solo-bombing of yours. And he says that you can blame him for anything under the sun that doesn't pleases you.

I'd marry you if you weren't so Imperial.

themdogesbite

That Honour + eXile blob in Allesia was real yesterday. Would´ve given Elite a run for their money when it comes to size.

Other then that, i got some oldschool Thornblade vibes from yesterdays PvP (Friday.) With beeing seconds away from crowning emp and i guess keeping most of the red faction occupied in BRK with 12 people, whilst waiting for Chalman to flip. Blues beeing sneaky ninjas, stealing Chal and seconds later AD had 2 emp keeps left.

Still keeping a glimmer of hope for that latency to stay arround 200 atleast in a not so distant future...

AbraXuSeXile

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

That Honour + eXile blob in Allesia was real yesterday. Would´ve given Elite a run for their money when it comes to size.

Other then that, i got some oldschool Thornblade vibes from yesterdays PvP (Friday.) With beeing seconds away from crowning emp and i guess keeping most of the red faction occupied in BRK with 12 people, whilst waiting for Chalman to flip. Blues beeing sneaky ninjas, stealing Chal and seconds later AD had 2 emp keeps left.

Still keeping a glimmer of hope for that latency to stay arround 200 atleast in a not so distant future...

The ninja was fun, Was literally seconds to flip!

The Alessia thing wasn't intended to be a zerg, We saw Blues had sieges on Alessia so we went to BRK, I couldn't believe my eyes once we got to Alessia, But it's last keep to Throne, it happens

prootch

Exile is for sure unpacking the fight as soon as they can.
Last emp keep is always super stacked, whateever the faction.

azoriangaming

Turelus wrote: »

Too many Brits on the EU mega server, we have to be civilised while insulting each other. I mean have you ever seen our parliament?

Mr Speaker, the right honourable gentleman ( @Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO ) across from me would have us believe that it was our faction who were the ones causing lag and zerging. Yet he himself has been seen to do this time after time. Can the right honourable gentleman explain to the house why he feels he can throw these slanderous comments around while still partaking in them himself?

best quote ever.

WillhelmBlack

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

jumping inside the inner how could you admit to such a blatant exploit XD (joking)

I knew that was coming Crucify me

I'm fairly shocked Kris hasn't yet. Probs too busy arranging the groups alarm clock synchronisation times or writing rousing zone pug speeches

Hahahhaha

AbraXuSeXile

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

jumping inside the inner how could you admit to such a blatant exploit XD (joking)

I knew that was coming Crucify me

I'm fairly shocked Kris hasn't yet. Probs too busy arranging the groups alarm clock synchronisation times or writing rousing zone pug speeches

Isnt that what you did last night? Please dont keep me up till 6.30am again -.-

Lava_Croft

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

jumping inside the inner how could you admit to such a blatant exploit XD (joking)

I knew that was coming Crucify me

I'm fairly shocked Kris hasn't yet. Probs too busy arranging the groups alarm clock synchronisation times or writing rousing zone pug speeches

Isnt that what you did last night? Please dont keep me up till 6.30am again -.-

For some reason Izanagi seems to think people set alarm clocks to play PvP. I cannot deny him his beliefs, but I do find them highly amusing.

More likely is that he sets his alarm clock himself and automatically assumes others do so too.