many pvp veterans, where is your pride?

Sylvyr

eliisra wrote: »

Most don't pay attention to the enemies rank or level when there's many players around, all they see is AP and pew-pew. No one is going to like stop attacking because one guy in the cluster-*** is VR1.

But I'll agree that it's bad sportsmanship killing a low level that's clearly on his own, clearly questing or desperately trying to reach a skyshard. I know you have every right to, it's a warzone, but still not the coolest thing to do.

In the best of worlds, if they're below VR doing PvE, I will just bunnyjump or play the flute or something. They might play the drum or make a silly dance and everyone is warm and fuzzy in PvP land and no one will go splat that day. But that's usually no the case.

Most low level PvE'ers will attack me instantly, even a level 30 with some baby dagger, so I have to kill them to make it stop so I cant mount again. Than there's the VR2 guy I didn't kill, who later decided to go sneak and sucker-punch me from behind with a 2-Hander. I actually died because I had so many NPC's on me lol. Most lower levels questing will also join in and "help" if someone else from their faction arrives to the location. Than you probably regret not taking them out of the equation earlier.

Bad sportsmanship? This isn't tennis.

In tennis, yeah if you totally overpower your opponent it's no fun for either.

This is totally different. It's a lot of factors.
It's not 1v1 like tennis, maybe in some fights, but in the big picture its AvAvA.
What you do or do not do has -some- impact on not only yourself, but your alliance in your specific campaign.
The goal is to advance yourself and your alliance, and put down the enemy.

By not killing an enemy, regardless of what they are doing (at the TIME mind you because one minute they could be innocently looking for a skyshard but the next killing your mates), you allow them and their alliance to advance and deny yourself and your alliance advancement. I would be more inclined to say that by not killing it's bad sportsmanship.

NOW, if your alliance is totally roflstomping a campaign to the point where the enemies give up, well that is something different then it would be more like looking at the war as a 1v1 tennis match where it's no fun. But then again that's why there are multiple campaigns and they are limited in duration - so alliances can adjust, move around, regroup....

PS Ever see a war movie where they let the poor enemy go, only later to see that poor enemy come back in a new squad and kill everyone? if I found out someone in my squad did that and I lost a bunch of my mates, I'd be totally pissed.

PPS If you're AD or DC and reading this. Please disregard. Give your enemies every bit of mercy. Thanks.

Panda244

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

If they don't attack me first, I don't attack them, if they're level 30 or below I completely ignore them.

Panda - you cant convince me to let a lower lvl player live due to "honor". How many times has your "honor" gotten your own allies killed after that lowbie level 30 set up a coldharbour siege and decimated a friendly raid?

OP - if you play pvp...you are in danger of being attacked. If you don't like it go play The Sims or some damn game that is not warfare focused. Or you can also L2P.

I ran solo 99.99% of the time so the only thing that my "honor" has killed is idiot AD pugs I don't give a single flying fig newton about.

Preyfar

Sylvyr wrote: »

NOW, if your alliance is totally roflstomping a campaign to the point where the enemies give up, well that is something different then it would be more like looking at the war as a 1v1 tennis match where it's no fun. But then again that's why there are multiple campaigns and they are limited in duration - so alliances can adjust, move around, regroup....

That's how we feel in Thornblade right now. We take a keep, and 30 EP show up to shut us down instantly. There's usually only 5-6 DC able to group up at a time because we've been pushed back so hard.

tinythinker

Erock25 wrote: »

I think I see enemies and I kill them. I don't even bother looking at nametags or levels.

eliisra wrote: »

Most don't pay attention to the enemies rank or level when there's many players around.

Yup, even if I wanted to check first before every single battle there usually isn't time. If there are clearly multiple enemies bunched together it's moot, and even if you don't see other enemies they may be just around the corner or coming up over the hill any second now...

And this is just as true in quest/delve settings. On the day my computer crashed (the last time I was in ESO) I was in a cave and saw one enemy player. I hid and got ready to fight if necessary, then four more followed him around the bend. If I had taken that first player out right away, I would have still lost to the other three but I would have earned a little AP/XP in the process.

If you are stealthed outdoors and see someone riding alone toward you, sure, you can check your target and have a few seconds to decide what to do, but otherwise the time you are taking to see if the person *seems* to represent a "fair fight" is enough to get you killed. I've let people go under some circumstances, and vice versa, but my first instinct is to make sure I am ready to fight and to put myself in the best position to win. I will still lose in a 1 vs 1 just about every single time for all of eternity, but I want to do my best to improve and to make my opponent earn their win.

Winnamine

In a battle, I really don't care what level you are, all must die!
OTOH, I've seen some players take a puzzling pride in killing lowbies.
Notice the "1vX" videos posted on here where no one in the entire clip, except the guy who posted it, is over V3.
I was in Cyro with some friends on my lowbie level 11 char, got caught alone by a V14, he killed me then teabagged me until I rezzed.
Level 11... I'd be proud too

ToRelax

I used to ignore low levels in 1.5, it didn't really matter as they didnt do much damage to me and usually died in my AoE without me even bothering about them. Now in 1.6 it's different, maybe because they feel stronger now, they will get other players to help them against me and can be really annoying when I am looking for the next target in a fight...

Besides that I learned to kill people before thinking about it, there's a certain DC DK who I am regularly dismounting yet don't kill in the stun as I neither want to kill him in the stun nor an endless fight... .

Planchard

If you're a lower lvl vet going into Cyrodiil, be prepared to die. About 3 weeks ago, I hit VR1 on my DK and I didn't feel like doing all the main story quests again to fight Molag Bal to get into Cadwell's Silver quest. So I just crafted him a VR1 set and purchased the VR1 Ravager set and went into Cyrodiil solo. He's now currently VR7 and still hasn't killed Molag Bol although I do group with my guild now since I'm not a 100% liability.

Here's a few things I've noticed being a lower level vet in Cyrodiil:

- Templars love to jesus beam low level vets
- Some VR14's think it's an easy win against lower lvl vets so they don't try and they die
- There's no point in trying to fight a VR14 that's built like a tank
- VR14's usually want easy kills so they'll target the easy to kill people first (usually lower lvl vets)

Just last night, I was running to Chalman keep and jumped over a rock. Little did I know there was a big drop and my DK was a victim of the gravity boss. I revived at the spot I died and as soon as I was able to be hit, a VR14 EP Sorc greeted me with a meteor. I reflected it back at him hit him with a poison injection then switched to 2h and crit charged him followed by executioner and he was dead. He didn't even have time to react to getting hit by his meteor.

Long story short, Low lvl vets are at a disadvantage but it's nothing to cry about.

Imdrefan

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

When I was a young Nightblade, I remember being destroyed by a dastardly v10 DK, over and over outside Sej.

This last weekend, I saw him again. Back in game, still v10. And verily, I slew him, and played musics most sweet upon his body.

This is the way of things.

This is the circle of life.

WHERE IS YOUR BASHSPAM NOW!?!?!?!?!?

Oh god, bashspam. That's an abomination best left dead.

I remember piles of DKs all on the Chalman milegate, in circles around each other. BONK BONK BONK BONK BONK BONK BONK BONK

I remember when I first entered Cyrodiil at VR1 and it seemed like everyone was already VR10 and I was running around looking for skyshards and got jumped by 2 DKs with invasion, talons, and bash spam... For the rest of the day, that was all I saw - Invasion into bash spam.

I don't miss that meta.

VincentBlanquin

well, nice debate )))

i fear most of you dont realize how hard is to be a newbie in this time. how much stronger are veterans against newbies and it can be only worst i think. its totally different started now then 6 months ago. i played neverwinter, so i am able to long term farm to achieve what i want, maybe in 5 days i will be vr14 and i have have 400 000 gold so i can buy all gold gear, respec from killing mobs to killing players and be solid i hope, so its not a personal problem for me anymore. but i think we all want more pvp players in game. but its realistic expect they come and level to be competitive now? with all powercreep, overpowered skills, bugs? i dont think so. and when camelot unchained launch only ava here can be a dead zone. as i read, NA campaigns have big problems, praise akatosh i am european. wait 2 hours in que to get to cyro and get roflstomped? its not only about veteran players feeling about, its about state of the game in one or two years

Draxys

If lowbies don't want to have a hard time, go play in blackwater. Not trying to be snarky btw, it's actually a very fun campaign. Everyone is super tanky bc of battle levels too, so you will survive much better if that's your issue. Learn the game then come compete on the other servers when you hit vet.

Sylvyr

Preyfar wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

NOW, if your alliance is totally roflstomping a campaign to the point where the enemies give up, well that is something different then it would be more like looking at the war as a 1v1 tennis match where it's no fun. But then again that's why there are multiple campaigns and they are limited in duration - so alliances can adjust, move around, regroup....

That's how we feel in Thornblade right now. We take a keep, and 30 EP show up to shut us down instantly. There's usually only 5-6 DC able to group up at a time because we've been pushed back so hard.

@Preyfar here I go doing what I shouldn't be doing... again... but for the sake of good sportsmanship out of game and to show that I'm not always a ____

Looking at Thorn (NA), or maybe you haven't been around, but EP won it I don't know how many times in a row. With a history like that it's going to attract EP and it's going to demoralize AD and DC. Not to say there haven't been good fights and they have been landslide victories, but enough times like that seems to have made them look for other grounds.

So now on Thorn, you have plenty of old EP that haven't left and even LESS AD and DC. So... unless another faction gathers multiple guilds to come back, it's going to be really hard to gain ground there. EP is more likely to stay because maybe they haven't made plans to move or feel committed or emotionally attached or want Thorn to be a buff server or whatever.

At this point, you're just feeding the beast.

it would seem like there are a couple choices.
1) Go somewhere else and let EP on Thorn get bored.
2) Come back in force.
3) Both the above.

It'll take some time for dust to settle and for things to regroup, naturally. Thorn will not perpetually be the way it is. Given the history and what's happened it makes sense that it is the way it is now. But that's why there are multiple campaigns, can move wherever. Over time things will move around. But knowing the landscape and investigating a little what is going on and who is on what servers can show you where more "good" warfare is happening at the time (which could change at any time!)

Preyfar

Sylvyr wrote: »

Go somewhere else and let EP on Thorn get bored

See, I agree with you there... but I'm stubborn. I hate the notion that any empire should have a "buff server". It bothers me greatly, but I refuse to give up. Even if it's insanely discouraging.

A few weeks ago we *had* a good population. We were fighting at Arrius, and everything was going well. Then pretty much every single DC at Arrius crashed. When we all logged in, every single one of us was dead, but none of the EP were. Of the few who didn't crash, they said not a single EP was affected and they pretty much just killed us instantly.

After that mega-crash, pretty much everyone bailed.

Cinbri

"You are the challenger here, after all. So to you goes the courtesy of the first blow." Dagoth Ur. I never attacking enemies first. In quest cities trying to avoid battles, no matter vr or not. So Dagoth's pride still with me.

Pchela

My high ranked character doesn't attack lower levels unless they attack him first if I come across them in the open. If they're in a group they're fair game, though. Now the amount of times my low level has been shrekt by high levels when she's alone, let's not talk about that.

Satiar

Preyfar wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

Go somewhere else and let EP on Thorn get bored

See, I agree with you there... but I'm stubborn. I hate the notion that any empire should have a "buff server". It bothers me greatly, but I refuse to give up. Even if it's insanely discouraging.

A few weeks ago we *had* a good population. We were fighting at Arrius, and everything was going well. Then pretty much every single DC at Arrius crashed. When we all logged in, every single one of us was dead, but none of the EP were. Of the few who didn't crash, they said not a single EP was affected and they pretty much just killed us instantly.

After that mega-crash, pretty much everyone bailed.

It's really, really weird. I saw it happen to Gondor's group at the front door of Chalman some weeks back. Whole raid instacrashed, and I just killed them all. Weird as hell.

NukeAllTheThings

If I am doing quests, I am there to do quests, get my xp then get back to the war. I don't engage lowbies until attacked. I will usually /wave and then go about my business. If I get jumped by a solo, I teach him/her a lesson. If I get jumped by a few of them, I cloak escape and follow them then teach them a lesson on how trebs work.

Sylvyr

Preyfar wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

Go somewhere else and let EP on Thorn get bored

See, I agree with you there... but I'm stubborn. I hate the notion that any empire should have a "buff server". It bothers me greatly, but I refuse to give up. Even if it's insanely discouraging.

A few weeks ago we *had* a good population. We were fighting at Arrius, and everything was going well. Then pretty much every single DC at Arrius crashed. When we all logged in, every single one of us was dead, but none of the EP were. Of the few who didn't crash, they said not a single EP was affected and they pretty much just killed us instantly.

After that mega-crash, pretty much everyone bailed.

I hate buff servers too, buffs should be applied in Cyro only.

Same thing happened to us last night on Az, DC rolled chal, EP got mass disconnects, they got the keep. I don't think anyone is abusing it or that this is targetable, at least I hope not, but can happen to either side, or even both. No reason in of itself to leave though. But ZoS needs to fix their game.

Ezareth

After thinking about this I realized that I usually leave level 10 guys alone. 30K hitpoints and giving up like 10 alliance points isn't worth the effort.

Sylvyr

Isn't there a not vet campaign?

vortexman11

Ezareth wrote: »

After thinking about this I realized that I usually leave level 10 guys alone. 30K hitpoints and giving up like 10 alliance points isn't worth the effort.

Yeah, my comment on bashing them to death was more so for 1.5, I don't have the stamina to bash through 30k health anymore.

VincentBlanquin

Sylvyr wrote: »

Isn't there a not vet campaign?

Sylvyr wrote: »

Isn't there a not vet campaign?

yeah but at vr1 you cant play it anymore. and try to progress your new main without cp at vet campaign. even at vr11 you are helpless against vr14 masters

Xael

Strange... as carebear as this game is, people still find a reason to complain about getting killed by someone.

Xael

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

even at vr11 you are helpless against vr14 masters

That is a very false and misleading statement.
There are many variables to pvp encounters, levels are rarely the issue. Poor decisions and horrible map awareness are almost always the culprit. Then comes know-how and itemization. Making an excuse out of levels is just weak and tiresome.

WebBull

My Pride is in my Cellar. Soon to be consumed.

SHADOW2KK

OP as others have said and I will add my opinion, there are related threads to this as well.

Its primarily a warzone, and anyone regardless of level who is there, should be aware that they are a target of opportunity and your life is in danger.

I give no mercy and I expect no mercy, that is a rule of war.

If I see anyone with hostile alliance markers above their head, then I will kill them, I do not know nor care what they are doing, what level they are or anything.

They could be scouts, or part of a group who has not went into stealth yet, and if I let someone live, they go back into circulation and come back with "friends", and I am dead.

I got no problem with RP`ers or PvE`ers doing quests or w/e, but you are in a war zone and are a legitimate target, don`t like it then go back to care bear land or into another PvP campaign that your alliance is supreme in and do your stuff there.

Back a long time ago I did let some live, and I had wee baby level 40s or vr1s or something just standing there hacking at me, I took a grim view of it and they paid the price.

I agree that it is difficult for low level players to be competitive or PvE players doing their quests, but it is possible to kill vr14s when you are low and its a fantastic feeling doing so:}

So to wrap it up, there are non vet campaigns and campaigns where your alliance are doing well in and you can do your questing or learning PvP there, but don`t moan about being killed, or that we should let you live or w/e.

If you are a enemy of our alliance, then you run the risks of being slain and rightly so, if you cant handle it, then go back into the warm fuzzy glow of care bear lands, of which there are plenty.

PvPers only have one zone.

PeggymoeXD

First of all, this thread is hilarious. Come on dude, I'm not trying to be a prick, but don't open a thread whining about people playing the game the way it's meant to be played. If you're a lower level in a Standard(veteran) campaign, you are just as much of a target as a v14. If you are questing in a PvP zone, expect some PvP.

I will say, I let anyone below v1 live unless they attack me. I normally /dance with them or run circles around them and then run away.

Ghostbane

Nerf Sorcs.

VincentBlanquin

well

1. there is no ebonheart pact buff campaign on european megaserver, so count with it
2. its good to hear so many players stated that its a war, so you will be killed, at least its attitude which is diminishing around me. my guild play pvp less and less, many pvp players just leveling alts etc. so good to read there are people who care about pvp, although some reasons to killed everyone repeatedly the same char over and over, camping quest npcs, it makes me laugh. looks like we play different games ....
3. i will be near bis soon so i will kick your asses back ...

Rune_Relic

Ghostbane wrote: »

Nerf Sorcs.

QFT
:d

Ezareth

Ghostbane wrote: »

Nerf Sorcs.