Motifs and Ring of Mara are in the Crown Shop!!!

c0rp · April 2015

vovus69 wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

vovus69 wrote: »

I would really love to sell motifs in game for crowns. Let's say 100 crowns per blue would be great. Will see. Perhaps we will find a way...

Im about 100% positive there isn't a way.

Well, those motifs from packs are not bind on pickup, so there is some room... Will see.

Correct, they are bind on ACCOUNT.

Ley · April 2015

I think it's amusing how many people think that this will ruin the motif economy. How many people do you think will be willing to spend $50 on a motif, when it's so easy to get gold or just farm them in game? Not to mention they give absolutely no advantage. It's 16,500 crown to buy all motifs from the crown store, that's $165. If someone is lazy enough to fork out that much money, let them.

I doubt it will change prices by more than 10%, if it does at all.

Nifty2g · April 2015

awh no, i can respec my attributes and buy motifs in game

p2w confirmed
#blackdesert

WraithAzraiel · April 2015

LameoveR wrote: »

*curious when master's weapons and high-end sets will be available in crown store*

If ZOS pays attention to how much whining and moaning and downright fear there is on the forums of Pay 2 Win items, never.

Kerioko · April 2015

Secret to getting Imperial motif cheap...create imperial toon, make this your crafter.....no need to spend 100K o in game or 5K in crown store!

Nifty2g · April 2015

Kerioko wrote: »

Secret to getting Imperial motif cheap...create imperial toon, make this your crafter.....no need to spend 100K o in game or 5K in crown store!

Or buy imperial, get a friend to make you armor, right click and convert it to imperial style

WraithAzraiel · April 2015

I'm amazed at how many unnecessarily sarcastic doomsayers live on these forums. The bitter saltiness is strong with these ones.

vovus69 · April 2015

Prices will definitely be changed - perhaps to the increase, but after some dive. Just imagine how many resellers will go out of this business... This was not very popular trade since 1.6, but I imagine that after some instability it will be at the same level or higher. Because now you can just compare it with crown price and decide whether your gold cost that much

I would bet, gold purchase will win... Will see.

Attorneyatlawl · April 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

CombatBeard wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

CombatBeard wrote: »

This is bad news. Might as well just put vr14 characters in there while they're at it.

Armor and weapons and damage boosters would be bad news. I don't see how these cosmetics are anywhere near bad news.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

CombatBeard wrote: »

This is bad news. Might as well just put vr14 characters in there while they're at it.

What? All a motif does is let you make armor that looks cosmetically a certain way. It does nothing to add to the stats on the armor.

It affects the game economy and the ability for players to earn gold. Also it's simply the begging of a barrage of crown store items that will eventually lead to being able to purchase anything with real money.

This. It's rather obvious what this trend is going towards. And I'd also point out that gold can buy top end gear in ESO, so saving 200k gold that you'd have otherwise spent directly benefits your character power as you can go buy a nice set item instead. Add in that it hits the game economy by devaluing ways to earn gold while also inflating the economy some since you can get skill respecs too. I'm pretty sure we're going to see EXP potions that boost your champion xp soon and then it's game over, outright pay to win directly (champion points boost your stats, passives, and character strength, so earning at a high rate would give you a huge boost over others who don't pay up to win in a very short time, and within matter of weeks to a couple of months the gap would become huge).

I find it hard to take anything you post seriously anymore, just feels as if you're looking for things to pick at now. Who cares if motifs are on the crown store, it's just as Zenimax said small convenience items, stop posting stuff like oh I fear such and such gear will be on the crown store, it obviously wont the general response is against it.
As for EXP Potions, you're going to use them, you know you will, everyone else will too. Zenimax knows you, you and I know it so don't bother with the same old P2W comment, you get 1500 crowns for subscribing each month that will be used on EXP Potions, Zenimax need a certain item to keep people subscribed don't they?

Same old boring argument annoying to read now

Coming from someone who posted to complain about the sanctum ophidia speed run achievement being easier now and that you were upset it didn't mean much to show off for bragging rights, that's an interesting position you take here not caring at all about real money just buying that kind of thing. I don't think you've tried an mmo before that went b2p and the inevitable p2w slide from the look of it. Coming soon to a crown store near you we'll see achievements for dyes and gear sets up too

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Attorneyatlawl · April 2015

EQBallzz wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Agobi wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Rings of mara is a yes for me. Motifs ... if they have the purple and imperial motifs welp good by wasting 60k gold :-D

....d I'm concerned this is going to just be the start of a barrage of these kinds of things.

Of course it is.

Cash shop is where they will get their profit from now on,,,so just sit back and "enjoy" the ride ;/

(wtb subscription based mmo....)

Considering how vehemently ZOS insisted that free/buy to play was so much worse than a subscription model and the basically would never consider doing it, I was hopeful this game wouldn't go to it and the pay to win model. Guess I was wrong... I'll have to take a closer look at CU's progress since I was a kickstarter alpha backer in 2013 for them. Maybe it won't end up as good a game or maybe it will, but at least it won't be pay to win and you know someone didn't just buy that awesome gear and looks for cash but actually played the game to get it.

What is CU? I may be in the market for something else.

Camelot Unchained.

Naivefanboi · April 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Agobi wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Rings of mara is a yes for me. Motifs ... if they have the purple and imperial motifs welp good by wasting 60k gold :-D

....d I'm concerned this is going to just be the start of a barrage of these kinds of things.

Of course it is.

Cash shop is where they will get their profit from now on,,,so just sit back and "enjoy" the ride ;/

(wtb subscription based mmo....)

Considering how vehemently ZOS insisted that free/buy to play was so much worse than a subscription model and the basically would never consider doing it, I was hopeful this game wouldn't go to it and the pay to win model. Guess I was wrong... I'll have to take a closer look at CU's progress since I was a kickstarter alpha backer in 2013 for them. Maybe it won't end up as good a game or maybe it will, but at least it won't be pay to win and you know someone didn't just buy that awesome gear and looks for cash but actually played the game to get it.

exactly, ive had horrible luck with finding motiffs, only one i have is barbaric...not the greatest but atleast i had found or bought somthing in the game.. now that its in a set pack i wont ever use it.
just due to the fact its a cash shop item.
i never understood that in wow, yea cool you disgned an awesome mount but if i dont h ave to do anything in game to unlock it? ....why should i care? least in wow they made some mounts as rewards for beating raids on harder difficulties or put tyhem in dungeons as super super rare drops....
anyways thanks for killing off any enjoyment i had looking forward to collecting them in game.

this also creates a way for people to buy/sell gold

motiffs cost 5500 corwns, those crowns cost 40$ or so , motiffs goe for 30-60k in game gold..time to barter and sell/buy some gold for in game cash++++++ double thumbs up!

Slurg · April 2015

Anath_Q wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Anath_Q wrote: »

Now anyone can buy the Rare Style Master achievement! Why not skip to the chase and just add crown store purchases to the achievements? After 1000 purchases we could unlock the "greedy green" armor color!

Awesome idea! Oh and now that ZOS is in the business of putting the items needed for in-game achievements in the crown store, when should we expect to see creature collectibles available for purchase so we can unlock those achievement dyes too?

Gasp! Yes!! Ooooh, and and how about adding for crown purchase the rare fish for the fishing achievements?! Heck, why not go really crazy and offer auto-completion tokens for any and all of the achievements?!

Woohoo I am all in, especially if it would get me a new "greedy green" dye I can pair with slaughterfish pink on my armor!

All these things can be considered convenience items since buying them saves us the time of collecting them, so I would not be surprised to see it happen.

Muizer · April 2015

I've no problem with them selling cosmetics, even if they are already obtainable in the game. The potential for harm is in the "convenience" category, because there's no clear line between it and pay to win.

Nestor · April 2015

Ley wrote: »

I think it's amusing how many people think that this will ruin the motif economy. How many people do you think will be willing to spend $50 on a motif, when it's so easy to get gold or just farm them in game? Not to mention they give absolutely no advantage. It's 16,500 crown to buy all motifs from the crown store, that's $165. If someone is lazy enough to fork out that much money, let them.

I doubt it will change prices by more than 10%, if it does at all.

You are only focusing on the rare motifs. The bread and butter of the Motif trade has just been nerfed into the ground. One months subscription means a player can buy all the Blue Motifs from the Crown Store.

TheRealDoc · April 2015

WOOHOO! I'm off to the crown store! >>>>>>>>>>>WHOOSH!

EDIT: No wait, I'm EU, maybe tomorrow, but then my impulse buy instinct will have worn off and common sense will have prevailed....

Ourorboros · April 2015

Tigers rule..........Leopards drool!

Attorneyatlawl · April 2015

Ley wrote: »

I think it's amusing how many people think that this will ruin the motif economy. How many people do you think will be willing to spend $50 on a motif, when it's so easy to get gold or just farm them in game? Not to mention they give absolutely no advantage. It's 16,500 crown to buy all motifs from the crown store, that's $165. If someone is lazy enough to fork out that much money, let them.

I doubt it will change prices by more than 10%, if it does at all.

How many people shelled out in other pay to win setups as the games sunk so they could "pwn noobs"? Many. Why would that be different here? I knew people in my brief time in Archeage who had dumped hundreds of bucks, a couple even thousands, o they could have the ultimate gear and butcher people for fun until everyone quit after they finally had the concept of pay to win's effect dawn on them. You know that adage... "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."

drackonir · April 2015

thank you ZENIMAX, i thought that I will look special on my subbed senche mount as a small token for supporting you for a whole year. Now everyone will have senche mount one or another. I was just paying beta tester for your for a whole year there is nothing special or different i have access to compared to new players. Looks like you know how to get rid of old customers.

vovus69 · April 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Agobi wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Rings of mara is a yes for me. Motifs ... if they have the purple and imperial motifs welp good by wasting 60k gold :-D

....d I'm concerned this is going to just be the start of a barrage of these kinds of things.

Of course it is.

Cash shop is where they will get their profit from now on,,,so just sit back and "enjoy" the ride ;/

(wtb subscription based mmo....)

Considering how vehemently ZOS insisted that free/buy to play was so much worse than a subscription model and the basically would never consider doing it, I was hopeful this game wouldn't go to it and the pay to win model. Guess I was wrong... I'll have to take a closer look at CU's progress since I was a kickstarter alpha backer in 2013 for them. Maybe it won't end up as good a game or maybe it will, but at least it won't be pay to win and you know someone didn't just buy that awesome gear and looks for cash but actually played the game to get it.

What is CU? I may be in the market for something else.

Camelot Unchained.

Well, I kinda don't like those builder packs. I understand that there is no other way for them to improve crowd sourcing, but it is kinda bad omen... Will see.

Naivefanboi · April 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Agobi wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Rings of mara is a yes for me. Motifs ... if they have the purple and imperial motifs welp good by wasting 60k gold :-D

....d I'm concerned this is going to just be the start of a barrage of these kinds of things.

Of course it is.

Cash shop is where they will get their profit from now on,,,so just sit back and "enjoy" the ride ;/

(wtb subscription based mmo....)

Considering how vehemently ZOS insisted that free/buy to play was so much worse than a subscription model and the basically would never consider doing it, I was hopeful this game wouldn't go to it and the pay to win model. Guess I was wrong... I'll have to take a closer look at CU's progress since I was a kickstarter alpha backer in 2013 for them. Maybe it won't end up as good a game or maybe it will, but at least it won't be pay to win and you know someone didn't just buy that awesome gear and looks for cash but actually played the game to get it.

What is CU? I may be in the market for something else.

Camelot Unchained.

does the development team have any members from eso past or current or DaOC? if not im intrested

Anath_Q · April 2015

Slurg wrote: »

Anath_Q wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Anath_Q wrote: »

Now anyone can buy the Rare Style Master achievement! Why not skip to the chase and just add crown store purchases to the achievements? After 1000 purchases we could unlock the "greedy green" armor color!

Awesome idea! Oh and now that ZOS is in the business of putting the items needed for in-game achievements in the crown store, when should we expect to see creature collectibles available for purchase so we can unlock those achievement dyes too?

Gasp! Yes!! Ooooh, and and how about adding for crown purchase the rare fish for the fishing achievements?! Heck, why not go really crazy and offer auto-completion tokens for any and all of the achievements?!

Woohoo I am all in, especially if it would get me a new "greedy green" dye I can pair with slaughterfish pink on my armor!

I'm with you! Greedy Green armor to proudly display my skill at shopping the crown store, rather than playing the game I bought.

I agree, it's only a matter of time. It's just a shame how this trivializes the achievement system.

Steinschlag · April 2015

vovus69 wrote: »

Ok. So far so good. I presume, end game PVE and PVP sets will be there soon. This is really good Will wait

Yeah, that´s what i mean. I don´t over react. THIS is just the TOP of the mountain. Sure not all ppl will buy this stuff at Store, but enough. We all play long enough MMOs to know that ppl WILL buy it from Store!! The Economy will go down step by Step...

asteldian · April 2015

c0rp wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As well, that Senche-Leopord is only available for a couple days..

Yeah, if I buy that thing, and see a "different shaded leopard" mount in a month Ill be pretty upset lol.

Then don't buy it. There will be lots of different styles of the tiger. I mean, a month ago the tiger was an exclusive to loyal customers mount, now this version is available, likely come console release another will be out.

eventide03b14a_ESO · April 2015

CombatBeard wrote: »

This is bad news. Might as well just put vr14 characters in there while they're at it.

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k9mouse · April 2015

Silly idea the OP have! Silly Silly and Silly! Isn't the purpose of playing and earn rewards / items by exploring? Stuff like Motifs in the crown store just another step closer to pay to win. Instead of working toward a goal -- either by farming or earning gold in game, gamers are just lazy to buy such items with real money instead -- just a silly idea.

Go play the game, instead of being lazy, work /play towards a goal instead. Think of getting a motif like a quest that one gives one self.

Joy_Division · April 2015

I understand cosmetics are not pay to win.

However, I do not think that any rare item in game should be available for purchase.

Saucy_Jack · April 2015

Wow. They're selling the rare motifs for the amount of ONE MONTH PAID SUBSCRIPTION. They're not throwing the motifs out to be bought for a pittance. A month of paid subscription is a decent amount of money.

Like, which is more pleasurable: playing the game to get the 50K needed to buy an imp motif, or work, at a job, for the money needed to buy the crowns?

Sheesh, people need to chill the heck out.

Nifty2g · April 2015

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

CombatBeard wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

CombatBeard wrote: »

This is bad news. Might as well just put vr14 characters in there while they're at it.

Armor and weapons and damage boosters would be bad news. I don't see how these cosmetics are anywhere near bad news.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

CombatBeard wrote: »

This is bad news. Might as well just put vr14 characters in there while they're at it.

What? All a motif does is let you make armor that looks cosmetically a certain way. It does nothing to add to the stats on the armor.

It affects the game economy and the ability for players to earn gold. Also it's simply the begging of a barrage of crown store items that will eventually lead to being able to purchase anything with real money.

This. It's rather obvious what this trend is going towards. And I'd also point out that gold can buy top end gear in ESO, so saving 200k gold that you'd have otherwise spent directly benefits your character power as you can go buy a nice set item instead. Add in that it hits the game economy by devaluing ways to earn gold while also inflating the economy some since you can get skill respecs too. I'm pretty sure we're going to see EXP potions that boost your champion xp soon and then it's game over, outright pay to win directly (champion points boost your stats, passives, and character strength, so earning at a high rate would give you a huge boost over others who don't pay up to win in a very short time, and within matter of weeks to a couple of months the gap would become huge).

I find it hard to take anything you post seriously anymore, just feels as if you're looking for things to pick at now. Who cares if motifs are on the crown store, it's just as Zenimax said small convenience items, stop posting stuff like oh I fear such and such gear will be on the crown store, it obviously wont the general response is against it.
As for EXP Potions, you're going to use them, you know you will, everyone else will too. Zenimax knows you, you and I know it so don't bother with the same old P2W comment, you get 1500 crowns for subscribing each month that will be used on EXP Potions, Zenimax need a certain item to keep people subscribed don't they?

Same old boring argument annoying to read now

Coming from someone who posted to complain about the sanctum ophidia speed run achievement being easier now and that you were upset it didn't mean much to show off for bragging rights, that's an interesting position you take here not caring at all about real money just buying that kind of thing. I don't think you've tried an mmo before that went b2p and the inevitable p2w slide from the look of it. Coming soon to a crown store near you we'll see achievements for dyes and gear sets up too .

Your attempts at baiting is pretty bad, considering I have bragging rights anyway, but no point to boast around my achievements that you don't have or will get.
Anyway I find it cute you went and posted in my thread as an attempt to keep baiting. I'm sorry you feel so strongly motifs are in the crown store, and I'm sorry to say it falls under Zenimax's Code of Conduct for convenience items to include them, considering they don't even change the play style.

I gave up on the idea of trying to fix the raiding system to help promote a better play style, but oh well. It won't happen so I let it go

Romo · April 2015

Hmmm... looking at the motif prices...

Wonder what the DLC prices will be?

Casdha · April 2015

I'm more bummed that the new mount will go off sale a week before I'm billed for my 6 month sub (and receive my crowns). I've been here the whole time (and yes I got the 300 day tiger) but to be here the whole time and be forced to spend extra to get the mount (if I wanted it) kind of sucks.

Edit: my sub actually comes due on May 6th