Should Alliance Rank be account wide?

Wolfaen

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Samadhi wrote: »

Would be interested in seeing Alliance Rank made Alliance wide, but not account wide.
8 Characters in the same alliance? Give them the same rank.
8 Characters spread across the different alliances? Group them by rank.

I agree with this. Alliance wide would make sense, but not account wide.

Gilvoth

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

yes, but only allowed to be used once you hit Veteran Rank 1

Stamden

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

AlnilamE wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This is a pretty clear yes.

Anyone who says no just isn't thinking ahead enough or just isn't considerate of others.

If they ever make this account-wide, I will level my main (EP) to max Alliance rank and use it on my AD and DC lowbie alts.

"Lets assume the 3 fractions still get seperate Alliance Rank, to prevent abuse of the system. ie: Your Daggerfall charactesr will have a different Alliance rank from your Ebonheart characters, but all your characters in Daggerfall will have the same rank."

Please read main post before posting.

eventide03b14a_ESO

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Give me, give me, entitlement, give me...

No.

The amount of people that don't understand what this post is about is ridiculous. Nobody is asking for easily earned progression, nobody is asking for entitlement. You still have to work as hard as everyone else. You still have to PvP for over half a year to unlock things like Vigor. We just want to be able to make an alt that is viable in PvP. Nobody is going to take the extremely long process to level up AR on an alt a 2nd time, and it just locks people into their main character.

Yeah but those abilities can be used outside of PvP, and some of them are really powerful. Are you suggesting that a brand new character should have access to those?

Rook_Master

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Give me, give me, entitlement, give me...

No.

The amount of people that don't understand what this post is about is ridiculous. Nobody is asking for easily earned progression, nobody is asking for entitlement. You still have to work as hard as everyone else. You still have to PvP for over half a year to unlock things like Vigor. We just want to be able to make an alt that is viable in PvP. Nobody is going to take the extremely long process to level up AR on an alt a 2nd time, and it just locks people into their main character.

Yeah but those abilities can be used outside of PvP, and some of them are really powerful. Are you suggesting that a brand new character should have access to those?

This is exactly why PvP abilities should be more accessible for alts. You concede that they are powerful yet still argue that people should have to grind for months to get something they already accomplished on another character.

As far as new characters having access to those, who cares? If you already have a max-crafter, you can create twinked gear sets that make a new character breeze through content anyway.

Olysja

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

YES, should be ALLIANCE wide. maybe givin access to the pvp ranks skill points only when you reach lvl 50 with the new char. but yes, i'm afraid to reroll a char just cause of the alliance rank, and many others like me: )

Stamden

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Give me, give me, entitlement, give me...

No.

The amount of people that don't understand what this post is about is ridiculous. Nobody is asking for easily earned progression, nobody is asking for entitlement. You still have to work as hard as everyone else. You still have to PvP for over half a year to unlock things like Vigor. We just want to be able to make an alt that is viable in PvP. Nobody is going to take the extremely long process to level up AR on an alt a 2nd time, and it just locks people into their main character.

Yeah but those abilities can be used outside of PvP, and some of them are really powerful. Are you suggesting that a brand new character should have access to those?

Maybe not a brand new character, but seeing as you unlock PvP at level 10, you could just unlock the tree at level 10 also. I really don't think it would be game-breaking though even if lower levels has access to these skills. It's the same way with champion points. Vigor is essentially just another Rally or stamina GDB. If it really is a problem, then you could just get it at VR1 instead.

AbraXuSeXile

No, Earn your rank per character.

Weberda

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

No, Earn your rank per character.

Fortunately in this case ZOS is smarter than the majority that have voted. It's not going to happen.

It's amazing (sort of) the issues that are cropping up that were posted about back in May 2014. I suspect they'll disappear once again when the B2P'rs go on to the next new "hot" game like they did back then.

Keron

Weberda wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

No, Earn your rank per character.

Fortunately in this case ZOS is smarter than the majority that have voted. It's not going to happen.

It's amazing (sort of) the issues that are cropping up that were posted about back in May 2014. I suspect they'll disappear once again when the B2P'rs go on to the next new "hot" game like they did back then.

Tough luck.

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

AshTal – We are all aware that for a normal player, playing a few hours a week, Alliance ranks take years to get. Can we make them account wide so players can play alts, not be forced to take the same character every day because otherwise their ranks are split across multiple characters and they are at a disadvantage?

We mentioned last time that alliance ranks are meant to take a long time to level. However, the idea of making them account wide is something we’re investigating. It will require some time to implement if we decide to do so.

From the latest AuA transcript.

Weberda

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

Keron wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

No, Earn your rank per character.

Fortunately in this case ZOS is smarter than the majority that have voted. It's not going to happen.

It's amazing (sort of) the issues that are cropping up that were posted about back in May 2014. I suspect they'll disappear once again when the B2P'rs go on to the next new "hot" game like they did back then.

Tough luck.

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

AshTal – We are all aware that for a normal player, playing a few hours a week, Alliance ranks take years to get. Can we make them account wide so players can play alts, not be forced to take the same character every day because otherwise their ranks are split across multiple characters and they are at a disadvantage?

We mentioned last time that alliance ranks are meant to take a long time to level. However, the idea of making them account wide is something we’re investigating. It will require some time to implement if we decide to do so.

From the latest AuA transcript.

And your point is???????? The key part of that quote is "if we decide to do so".

Keron

My point? That you may be wrong with the statement

Weberda wrote: »

Fortunately in this case ZOS is smarter than the majority that have voted. It's not going to happen.

Nothing more, nothing less.

AlnilamE

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This is a pretty clear yes.

Anyone who says no just isn't thinking ahead enough or just isn't considerate of others.

If they ever make this account-wide, I will level my main (EP) to max Alliance rank and use it on my AD and DC lowbie alts.

"Lets assume the 3 fractions still get seperate Alliance Rank, to prevent abuse of the system. ie: Your Daggerfall charactesr will have a different Alliance rank from your Ebonheart characters, but all your characters in Daggerfall will have the same rank."

Please read main post before posting.

I did! You edited it after I read it.

Stamden

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

AlnilamE wrote: »

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This is a pretty clear yes.

Anyone who says no just isn't thinking ahead enough or just isn't considerate of others.

If they ever make this account-wide, I will level my main (EP) to max Alliance rank and use it on my AD and DC lowbie alts.

"Lets assume the 3 fractions still get seperate Alliance Rank, to prevent abuse of the system. ie: Your Daggerfall charactesr will have a different Alliance rank from your Ebonheart characters, but all your characters in Daggerfall will have the same rank."

Please read main post before posting.

I did! You edited it after I read it.

Edited by deathpandax_ESO on April 9, 2015 6:38PM
Posted by AlnilamE on April 10, 2015 9:02AM

Ley

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Ideally I'd want:
- Alliance ranks to be account wide.
- The max rank increased. It currently takes 64,680,000 AP to reach rank 50 I think adding 10+ ranks which would be attainable at around 130,000,000 AP would keep people from reaching max rank any time soon.
- The Alliance War skill tree to not be attached to your alliance rank and just require X amount of AP (Currently takes 6,918,400 AP to max out the skill tree) to advance the skill tree level. This way each character still has to level up the Alliance war skill tree to unlock the skills and passives.

Aside from some extra skill points (you can take them away as far as I'm concerned), this wouldn't give a new character any significant advantage but would give you the freedom to use any character you want for pvp and still work towards increasing your overall alliance rank.

Alternately just have 2 separate ranks, your character rank and your account rank. It wouldn't be ideal, in my opinion but would still let you display your overall pvp achievements regardless of what character you're playing.

I know achievements aren't directly the topic of this thread but I think that they should add some account wide achievements, like leveling a separate character of each class , each race, or each alliance to lvl 50/vr14. Just generally things that could not be done on just one character.

Stamden

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Weberda wrote: »

Keron wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

No, Earn your rank per character.

Fortunately in this case ZOS is smarter than the majority that have voted. It's not going to happen.

It's amazing (sort of) the issues that are cropping up that were posted about back in May 2014. I suspect they'll disappear once again when the B2P'rs go on to the next new "hot" game like they did back then.

Tough luck.

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

AshTal – We are all aware that for a normal player, playing a few hours a week, Alliance ranks take years to get. Can we make them account wide so players can play alts, not be forced to take the same character every day because otherwise their ranks are split across multiple characters and they are at a disadvantage?

We mentioned last time that alliance ranks are meant to take a long time to level. However, the idea of making them account wide is something we’re investigating. It will require some time to implement if we decide to do so.

From the latest AuA transcript.

And your point is???????? The key part of that quote is "if we decide to do so".

The point is they are strongly considering it and the fact that the majority of players want it too means they will probably implement it finally.

Pirhana7_ESO

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

No it should be per a character BUT there should be far more skills, passives and character advancment threw the alliance ranks than just Skill points and the very minor and few passives. I would love to see a big list of passives in the alliance line just like the CP system offers so there is big purpose to rank up those alliance ranks just like the realm rank system did in Darkage of Camelot

Weberda

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Keron wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

No, Earn your rank per character.

Fortunately in this case ZOS is smarter than the majority that have voted. It's not going to happen.

It's amazing (sort of) the issues that are cropping up that were posted about back in May 2014. I suspect they'll disappear once again when the B2P'rs go on to the next new "hot" game like they did back then.

Tough luck.

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

AshTal – We are all aware that for a normal player, playing a few hours a week, Alliance ranks take years to get. Can we make them account wide so players can play alts, not be forced to take the same character every day because otherwise their ranks are split across multiple characters and they are at a disadvantage?

We mentioned last time that alliance ranks are meant to take a long time to level. However, the idea of making them account wide is something we’re investigating. It will require some time to implement if we decide to do so.

From the latest AuA transcript.

And your point is???????? The key part of that quote is "if we decide to do so".

The point is they are strongly considering it and the fact that the majority of players want it too means they will probably implement it finally.

Well I wouldn't let that idea influence how you level your characters in PvP (assuming you do PvP) because the wait may be a lot longer than you think.

Stamden

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Weberda wrote: »

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Keron wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

No, Earn your rank per character.

Fortunately in this case ZOS is smarter than the majority that have voted. It's not going to happen.

It's amazing (sort of) the issues that are cropping up that were posted about back in May 2014. I suspect they'll disappear once again when the B2P'rs go on to the next new "hot" game like they did back then.

Tough luck.

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

AshTal – We are all aware that for a normal player, playing a few hours a week, Alliance ranks take years to get. Can we make them account wide so players can play alts, not be forced to take the same character every day because otherwise their ranks are split across multiple characters and they are at a disadvantage?

We mentioned last time that alliance ranks are meant to take a long time to level. However, the idea of making them account wide is something we’re investigating. It will require some time to implement if we decide to do so.

From the latest AuA transcript.

And your point is???????? The key part of that quote is "if we decide to do so".

The point is they are strongly considering it and the fact that the majority of players want it too means they will probably implement it finally.

Well I wouldn't let that idea influence how you level your characters in PvP (assuming you do PvP) because the wait may be a lot longer than you think.

It will determine what a lot of people I know do. We are all max rank VR14 and AR capped, but some of us really don't like our characters anymore and would rather make an alt. I personally hate playing my Magika DK in PvP but I am forced to play it cause I would lose everything with an alt. A lot of my friends quit for this very reason, cause they were locked into a character they didn't like.

Rook_Master

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

Keron wrote: »

Weberda wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

No, Earn your rank per character.

Fortunately in this case ZOS is smarter than the majority that have voted. It's not going to happen.

It's amazing (sort of) the issues that are cropping up that were posted about back in May 2014. I suspect they'll disappear once again when the B2P'rs go on to the next new "hot" game like they did back then.

Tough luck.

ZOS_JasonLeavey wrote: »

AshTal – We are all aware that for a normal player, playing a few hours a week, Alliance ranks take years to get. Can we make them account wide so players can play alts, not be forced to take the same character every day because otherwise their ranks are split across multiple characters and they are at a disadvantage?

We mentioned last time that alliance ranks are meant to take a long time to level. However, the idea of making them account wide is something we’re investigating. It will require some time to implement if we decide to do so.

From the latest AuA transcript.

And your point is???????? The key part of that quote is "if we decide to do so".

The point is they are strongly considering it and the fact that the majority of players want it too means they will probably implement it finally.

Fingers Crossed

Stamden

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Ley wrote: »

Ideally I'd want:
- Alliance ranks to be account wide.
- The max rank increased. It currently takes 64,680,000 AP to reach rank 50 I think adding 10+ ranks which would be attainable at around 130,000,000 AP would keep people from reaching max rank any time soon.
- The Alliance War skill tree to not be attached to your alliance rank and just require X amount of AP (Currently takes 6,918,400 AP to max out the skill tree) to advance the skill tree level. This way each character still has to level up the Alliance war skill tree to unlock the skills and passives.

Aside from some extra skill points (you can take them away as far as I'm concerned), this wouldn't give a new character any significant advantage but would give you the freedom to use any character you want for pvp and still work towards increasing your overall alliance rank.

Alternately just have 2 separate ranks, your character rank and your account rank. It wouldn't be ideal, in my opinion but would still let you display your overall pvp achievements regardless of what character you're playing.

I know achievements aren't directly the topic of this thread but I think that they should add some account wide achievements, like leveling a separate character of each class , each race, or each alliance to lvl 50/vr14. Just generally things that could not be done on just one character.

Yeah the whole thing could use a revamp. They could remove it as a skill tree and add it as a tab in the guild page, along with other personal information in their like statistics, rank, etc. If they do make it account wide they should probably raise the AP cap and add more skills/passives.

newtinmpls

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

Rook_Master wrote: »

No one wants to grind AP for another year just for an alt to be viable.

I understand that YOU do not wish to do the time/work whatever.

However just this evening I watched a video where Deltia's Gaming showcases a 11th level character who is not only doing great in PvP but is leading raids.

Seemed pretty darn viable to me.

Stamden

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

newtinmpls wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

No one wants to grind AP for another year just for an alt to be viable.

I understand that YOU do not wish to do the time/work whatever.

However just this evening I watched a video where Deltia's Gaming showcases a 11th level character who is not only doing great in PvP but is leading raids.

Seemed pretty darn viable to me.

Maybe "viable" isn't the right word here, but the point is Vigor is insanely strong. If your a non-dk stam build, the only self heal you can get is Rally and that forces you to use 2H. If you want to be competitve with 1h/shield and DW, Vigor is a must.

Rylana

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Yes, but only regarding points for the same factions.

In other words... Rylana, Kailiana, and Minerva (my AD v14s) would share the same pool

But Lyzara (my EP v14) would not count towards AD rank, and vice versa.



Edit to add: I find it quite amusing, looking at the results of the poll thus far, that nearly everyone who voted yes is a primarily PvP player, whereas everyone who voted no is primarily PvE or completely unknown to me in PvP either way.

Rylana

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Ley wrote: »

Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »

Why would it be account wide?

Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »

because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.

Seems you answered your own question.

A: There aren't even hundreds, let alone thousands of alliance ranks to get.
B: Alliance ranks are valuable because they grant skill points and titles, both of which are character bound everywhere else in the game.

True, there's aren't hundreds or even thousands of ranks, just 50, but it does take 64,680,000 points to get to rank 50 and that is not an insignificant number by any means. I think we may have a few people who have reached that rank in the year that the game has been out, quick forum search turned up 1. Make it account wide, add another 10 ranks or so to it and you have at least a couple years worth of AP farming for most pvpers. It's not that different from the CP grind, in terms of time frames and the rewards are much less significant. At some point skill points are just for random skills you want to test our or mess around with, the game provides plenty. I think overall it would give people an incentive to play with multiple characters in pvp and make leveling an alt slightly less daunting.

Only one person is rank 49, and I believe they MIGHT be just about 50. One person, in one years time.

Rylana

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »

Ley wrote: »

Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »

Why would it be account wide?

Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »

because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.

Seems you answered your own question.

A: There aren't even hundreds, let alone thousands of alliance ranks to get.
B: Alliance ranks are valuable because they grant skill points and titles, both of which are character bound everywhere else in the game.

A. There aren't even millions of ranks to achieve, but it is still a drawn out grind that offers valuable skills for any end game player. The thought of getting vigor, or even caltrops, on an alt is a nightmare.

B. If alliance ranks become account wide, then the game isn't necessarily harmed, even if new toons can have extra skill points. This would actually make an incentive for players to roll new toons. Rewarding players for doing new game plus is a good thing where I come from.

You get the full benefit of Alliance war ranks upon achieving rank 24 (max assault and support + unlock all passives, skills). except for the skill points.

What this means is, with about 12 percent of the total AP progression youve realized more than 80 percent of the valuation of the skill lines. The other 20 percent (30 skill points + some titles and dyes) is relatively tiny.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

ya, the thought of unlocking assult/support 10 on alts is depressing.

Audigy

I prefer ranks or titles to be character based. Blizzard offers an account wide system and its kind of silly that you meet players with a specific old title on a char, that wasn't even created back then

Mounts being account wide is fine, as our characters can share their mounts like in a stable. But anything else, achievements, titles, even dyes should be char based.

newtinmpls

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

Audigy wrote: »

Mounts being account wide is fine, as our characters can share their mounts like in a stable. But anything else, achievements, titles, even dyes should be char based.

I disagree. I just can't make it work that my characters in Deshann and in Auridon can somehow ride the "same" horse. And you can't even buy "another one" of the same kind, because there is only one "skin" in collections. Very frustrating.

So anyway, I went out and crafted and sold and finally scrimped my way up to get a 10,000 plain horse for my "goblin" character - and I had not realised how the horses sized to the characters. That first day riding it (now she'd been taking riding lessons before she got the actual horse - which was pretty cool) she was near a wayshrine and this really tall Altmer walks by. And the character stands and clearly is just staring at her, since he (the standing Altmer) is still looking slightly down at the little goblin (bosmer template - and I'd made her as tiny as I could).

I've got to set that up and get a screenshot.

Anyway, no, I would not want anything account wide.

And I hate that dyes are linked to acheviements - but that's probably a whole other thread.

seanvwolf

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

lostavalon wrote: »

i only be with this as not everyone is able to be on all the time to consistantly farm ap. work/real life yano.. and 1-24 can be a big grind for some ppl

By this logic, levels should be account wide. No, sorry.

Just increase AP gain and adjust the amount of AP required to gain a level. Problem solved.