Should Alliance Rank be account wide?

Cody

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Yes.

its an awful lot of progress to lose when making new characters.

Cody

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »

Why would it be account wide? Titles aren't account wide, nor are achievements and quest completions. The only exception is champion points, and that's because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.

its more than just titles. some important alliance war abilities are tied to alliance rank. Vigor for example.

Elijah_Crow

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

You already get your champion points. Having this would incentivize min maxers to play whatever class or build happens to be the flavor of the month.

If they would have to reinvest the time to leveling this, they won't be so quick to just dump their old character for whatever the new hotness is after a patch.

Tavore1138

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

No, but I have noticed a lot of these 'Can I have everything without actually playing for it' threads since we went B2P... coincidence? I think not.

Some people just like to have it all handed to them without paying or playing.

G0ku

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

Alliance Rank is the military rank your one character has owned personally for fighting for his alliance, so I say NO to this.

It wouldn´t bother me If the progression in the two alliance war skilltrees would be accountwide though. There is already a gap between players resulting out of the champion points, no need to have a second gap in the skills.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

yes that would be nice since I pvp on 2 char
it is on the otherhand wierd to have a newly created character have acces to all alliance skills....

Keron

Maybe a compromise could be found?

Retain Rank, title, skill points on a per character basis.

Unlock the alliance war skills (that are rank limited) accountwide, but only for characters that have started into the champion system (have reached Veteran Ranks)

This way, the non-vet campaign is saved from being run over with pimp-twinks, you remove the godawful grind to get the skills unlocked on a secondary character but you still have to get the recognition (alliance rank) and skill points for each character separately.

The purpose of making alliance rank account-wide is to make it more feasible for a larger number of players to have more than one PvP char. Maybe with this option, both sides could agree on. The one side does not loose everything and the other side does not get everything.

Yes, I do realize that there are people with more than one Rank-24 character but I bet my ass that a much larger number of players won't ever do that because they find the rank grind to unlock skills so tedious.

But with my recent experience in trying to bring in a compromise into a heated discussion, it probably will just get ignored or bashed or even removed for troll baiting. SCNR.

xMovingTarget

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Having this would incentivize min maxers to play whatever class or build happens to be the flavor of the month.

And why would you care? This would have no impact on you. We do that anyway. =D

Tavore1138

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Having this would incentivize min maxers to play whatever class or build happens to be the flavor of the month.

And why would you care? This would have no impact on you. We do that anyway. =D

Because right now you at least have to level you character up by playing before you can spam your cookie build and pretend you are l33t.

On the other hand if ZOS want some quick cash they just need to start selling fully pre-made alts with full skill points, achieves, dyes, skills levelled, VR14, all quests and map locations completed, emperor status and all high end armour to make a bunch of cash.., maybe throw in an 'I did wins' certificate too?

SHADOW2KK

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Cody wrote: »

Yes.

its an awful lot of progress to lose when making new characters.

Agreed, I am still trying to get up to where I was on my main, and its a pain.

Merlin13KAGL

How about none of the above, but an alternative:

Lower ranked Alts in same Alliance get an AP boost for the content essentially already earned on another character?

newtinmpls

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

Champion points should not be account wide

Stamden

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

No, but I have noticed a lot of these 'Can I have everything without actually playing for it' threads since we went B2P... coincidence? I think not.

Some people just like to have it all handed to them without paying or playing.

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Having this would incentivize min maxers to play whatever class or build happens to be the flavor of the month.

And why would you care? This would have no impact on you. We do that anyway. =D

Because right now you at least have to level you character up by playing before you can spam your cookie build and pretend you are l33t.

On the other hand if ZOS want some quick cash they just need to start selling fully pre-made alts with full skill points, achieves, dyes, skills levelled, VR14, all quests and map locations completed, emperor status and all high end armour to make a bunch of cash.., maybe throw in an 'I did wins' certificate too?

What are you talking about? Did you even read the main post?

You'll still have to level up all your Alliance Ranks.

TheShadowScout

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

Personally I'd be against it.

Yes, it would be more convinient if all PvP got rank for every character. But... why should my nord storm priest get a higher rank in the pact army because my main often spends time in cyrodil as archer? Why should my breton vampire alt get rank because my pact main did a bit of PvP now and then?

Remember, all that rank are also extra skill points - if it was merely cosmetic, I might even think its no big, but when people actually -get- something for it... my opinion is still - if you want something for your alt, play for it on your alt. Peroid.

Attorneyatlawl

Nope. The skill line works like any other and is leveled by your character. Also, 12 months is a very long timeframe to level that skill line, and it doesn't thankfully take anywhere near that long if you're playing well (350-500k a week is entirely doable at a few hours per night average over the long haul, which would get you there in a few months, maybe 6 at most if you don't play as often).

Now, what we should have is gear sets unlocked for purchase via alliance points based on the achievements for earning higher alliance ranks, and like dyes once you unlock them on one character, you can use them on the rest too. Right now the progression ends at a scant 1/10th of the Alliance Ranks available by points, at about 6.9 million while rank 50 is around 70 million points earned. Having sets available earned by these higher ranks would give a meaningful progression and reward for this remaining 90% of the levels and by having purchase ability gated like how dyes are account wide, you'd alleviate the current lack of incentive to earn AP once you've leveled the skill/passive line on a character.

Rook_Master

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Absolutely yes.

This is a major barrier that is stopping people from playing alts.

No one wants to grind AP for another year just for an alt to be viable.

Tavore1138

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

No, but I have noticed a lot of these 'Can I have everything without actually playing for it' threads since we went B2P... coincidence? I think not.

Some people just like to have it all handed to them without paying or playing.

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Having this would incentivize min maxers to play whatever class or build happens to be the flavor of the month.

And why would you care? This would have no impact on you. We do that anyway. =D

Because right now you at least have to level you character up by playing before you can spam your cookie build and pretend you are l33t.

On the other hand if ZOS want some quick cash they just need to start selling fully pre-made alts with full skill points, achieves, dyes, skills levelled, VR14, all quests and map locations completed, emperor status and all high end armour to make a bunch of cash.., maybe throw in an 'I did wins' certificate too?

What are you talking about? Did you even read the main post?

You'll still have to level up all your Alliance Ranks.

Yes , I did read it and you specifically said you did not want to have to level up you alliance war rank on more than one character, thus my responses.

If you are now saying you DO want to level up your alliance war on any character you chose to play then starting this thread was a little silly.

xMovingTarget

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Having this would incentivize min maxers to play whatever class or build happens to be the flavor of the month.

And why would you care? This would have no impact on you. We do that anyway. =D

Because right now you at least have to level you character up by playing before you can spam your cookie build and pretend you are l33t.

On the other hand if ZOS want some quick cash they just need to start selling fully pre-made alts with full skill points, achieves, dyes, skills levelled, VR14, all quests and map locations completed, emperor status and all high end armour to make a bunch of cash.., maybe throw in an 'I did wins' certificate too?

I dont want free max level chars etc. But the system right niw is very anti alts. Leveling chars up is different. The alliance ranks and the skill lines that come with it are too long. Especially if you not a hardcore pvper. I am by far against easy. But it also shouldnt be ridiculous long grind.

If I want that stuff, I do it anyway. Regardless how long it takes. But making it accountwide would help ppl that just wanna have fun by alot.

Rune_Relic

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »

Why would it be account wide? Titles aren't account wide, nor are achievements and quest completions. The only exception is champion points, and that's because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.

This...

I think the problem that needs fixing is locking uber skills behind rank.
Its just another example of ...the elite becoming more elite and the powerful becoming ever more powerful.

Are we playing PVP to strive for godlike abilities or a fair fight ?
You can beat me with the same power levels fair dos.....you can beat me with a significant power avantage with CP/gated passives-actives well.....slow clap...some of us need a handicap advantage when we are already OP apparently.

Tavore1138

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

xMovingTarget wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Having this would incentivize min maxers to play whatever class or build happens to be the flavor of the month.

And why would you care? This would have no impact on you. We do that anyway. =D

Because right now you at least have to level you character up by playing before you can spam your cookie build and pretend you are l33t.

On the other hand if ZOS want some quick cash they just need to start selling fully pre-made alts with full skill points, achieves, dyes, skills levelled, VR14, all quests and map locations completed, emperor status and all high end armour to make a bunch of cash.., maybe throw in an 'I did wins' certificate too?

I dont want free max level chars etc. But the system right niw is very anti alts. Leveling chars up is different. The alliance ranks and the skill lines that come with it are too long. Especially if you not a hardcore pvper. I am by far against easy. But it also shouldnt be ridiculous long grind.

If I want that stuff, I do it anyway. Regardless how long it takes. But making it accountwide would help ppl that just wanna have fun by alot.

The thing is if 'fun' is all you want then whether you have accss to the level 10 war skills or the 50 skill points is not going to be an issue for the majority.

But you are not most people, Hodor is one of the known PvE guilds, you run top content as a guild and I can see why something like Caltrops for Ravaging or Vigor for stamina heals might be great to have on a build that doesn't do much PvP but, to me, if a character wants the skills it should play for them.

There are other problems... Like people having top pvP skills in the non-vet campaign and openng the door to exactly the 'pre-made' scenario I suggested... one the exists in other games already and would be sad to see here.

Stamden

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

No, but I have noticed a lot of these 'Can I have everything without actually playing for it' threads since we went B2P... coincidence? I think not.

Some people just like to have it all handed to them without paying or playing.

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Having this would incentivize min maxers to play whatever class or build happens to be the flavor of the month.

And why would you care? This would have no impact on you. We do that anyway. =D

Because right now you at least have to level you character up by playing before you can spam your cookie build and pretend you are l33t.

On the other hand if ZOS want some quick cash they just need to start selling fully pre-made alts with full skill points, achieves, dyes, skills levelled, VR14, all quests and map locations completed, emperor status and all high end armour to make a bunch of cash.., maybe throw in an 'I did wins' certificate too?

What are you talking about? Did you even read the main post?

You'll still have to level up all your Alliance Ranks.

Yes , I did read it and you specifically said you did not want to have to level up you alliance war rank on more than one character, thus my responses.

If you are now saying you DO want to level up your alliance war on any character you chose to play then starting this thread was a little silly.

Your coming in here with a "everyone most work for what they get", which is fine, but that isn't what this post is about.

Everyone still has to take the 8-12 month process of leveling up their alliance rank. The only thing that the current system is doing is locking people into their first character and preventing people from making alts.

Elijah_Crow

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

Give me, give me, entitlement, give me...

No.

Etaniel

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

Nope

ItsGlaive

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Yep. For all toons on the same faction at least.

eventide03b14a_ESO

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

Just to make sure I understand this. You want it to be account wide so that right off the bat, you create a new character that can use Barrier (a 20k + AoE ward)? This sounds like a good idea to you?

Sotha_Sil

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Yes, make it happen.

Rook_Master

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Everything else is reasonable to do on an alt. V14 grind, Undaunted grind, skyshards, lorebooks etc.

What is not reasonable is the AP grind. It takes almost a year to do for your average player. A whole year of doing nothing but Cyrodiil in the few hours a day you get to play. That is what's wrong with the way it is currently.

Undaunted grind does not even come close to the time investment.

Stamden

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Give me, give me, entitlement, give me...

No.

The amount of people that don't understand what this post is about is ridiculous. Nobody is asking for easily earned progression, nobody is asking for entitlement. You still have to work as hard as everyone else. You still have to PvP for over half a year to unlock things like Vigor. We just want to be able to make an alt that is viable in PvP. Nobody is going to take the extremely long process to level up AR on an alt a 2nd time, and it just locks people into their main character.

xMovingTarget

Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

Having this would incentivize min maxers to play whatever class or build happens to be the flavor of the month.

And why would you care? This would have no impact on you. We do that anyway. =D

Because right now you at least have to level you character up by playing before you can spam your cookie build and pretend you are l33t.

On the other hand if ZOS want some quick cash they just need to start selling fully pre-made alts with full skill points, achieves, dyes, skills levelled, VR14, all quests and map locations completed, emperor status and all high end armour to make a bunch of cash.., maybe throw in an 'I did wins' certificate too?

I dont want free max level chars etc. But the system right niw is very anti alts. Leveling chars up is different. The alliance ranks and the skill lines that come with it are too long. Especially if you not a hardcore pvper. I am by far against easy. But it also shouldnt be ridiculous long grind.

If I want that stuff, I do it anyway. Regardless how long it takes. But making it accountwide would help ppl that just wanna have fun by alot.

The thing is if 'fun' is all you want then whether you have accss to the level 10 war skills or the 50 skill points is not going to be an issue for the majority.

But you are not most people, Hodor is one of the known PvE guilds, you run top content as a guild and I can see why something like Caltrops for Ravaging or Vigor for stamina heals might be great to have on a build that doesn't do much PvP but, to me, if a character wants the skills it should play for them.

There are other problems... Like people having top pvP skills in the non-vet campaign and openng the door to exactly the 'pre-made' scenario I suggested... one the exists in other games already and would be sad to see here.

Of course do ppl need to play for it. And thats fine. But since I recently, well 2 month, had to reroll to another alliance, I feel the pain. It was basically a fresh start. It's a pain in the arse to gain stuff back you had before. And thats why I would support account wide alliance ranks. Skill points are by far no concern. Most ppl cant even spend all of em.

But to be honest, there would be something else in pkace for that anyway. You wouldnt just get them.

I am not just talking for myself here. For me it doesnt matter. But for ppl who like to play different chars, classes etc etc. this would be welcoming. I even just play 1 single character now. So wouldnt benefit. But many others would. And even though would get a bit more fun back.

Too many players just quit the game because of the alt terror. And thats not what we need or want right?

AlnilamE

No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This is a pretty clear yes.

Anyone who says no just isn't thinking ahead enough or just isn't considerate of others.

If they ever make this account-wide, I will level my main (EP) to max Alliance rank and use it on my AD and DC lowbie alts.