Should Alliance Rank be account wide?
Stamden
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Most of the endgame content is account wide instead of just being usable on a certain character. Champion Points, gear, dyes, etc. The 2nd longest and hardest thing to complete (behind CP) is Alliance War rank, yet it isn't account wide. It takes roughly 8-12 months of playing PvP (6-8 if you really grind it out), and all that time spent is worthless the second you decide to make another character. It makes it extremely discouraging to ever make a different character if all your progress will be lost. There are skills like Vigor that can be absolutely essential to your build, but if it is a new character then you'll never get to use it. Due to the extremely long amount of time it takes to level up Alliance War, and due to the game-changing abilties and passives unlocked in the trees, Alliance War rank needs to become account wide.
EDIT: Lets assume the 3 fractions still get seperate Alliance Rank, to prevent abuse of the system. ie: Your Daggerfall charactesr will have a different Alliance rank from your Ebonheart characters, but all your characters in Daggerfall will have the same rank.
Edited by Stamden on April 9, 2015 11:38PM EDIT: Lets assume the 3 fractions still get seperate Alliance Rank, to prevent abuse of the system. ie: Your Daggerfall charactesr will have a different Alliance rank from your Ebonheart characters, but all your characters in Daggerfall will have the same rank.
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Should Alliance Rank be account wide? 337 votes
Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide
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No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character
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✭✭✭✭✭No, Alliance Rank should stay on each characterI say no because this game is A vs A but perhaps the system is by design flawed because we are allowed to play diff factions on PvE but get faction locked on PvP....Edited by NewBlacksmurf on April 9, 2015 11:22PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭Would be interested in seeing Alliance Rank made Alliance wide, but not account wide.
8 Characters in the same alliance? Give them the same rank.
8 Characters spread across the different alliances? Group them by rank.Edited by Samadhi on April 9, 2015 11:27PM"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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No, Alliance Rank should stay on each characterWhy would it be account wide? Titles aren't account wide, nor are achievements and quest completions. The only exception is champion points, and that's because they are of so little value individually, and there are so [snip] many of em.
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✭If it was account wide, my low level alts in the other factions would get an instance 30 skill points!!! Sweet.....but not going to happen.1 -
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✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideNewBlacksmurf wrote: »I say no because this game is A vs A but perhaps the system is by design flawed because we are allowed to play diff factions on PvE but get faction locked on PvP....
Lets assume for a moment that it wouldnt be an issue and it would be "faction wide".PC NA
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The entire point of pvp is pvp not pve
So I don't see why not
anything that lets you skip pve to pvp is good in my book.3 -
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✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideEarthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »Why would it be account wide?Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.
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✭No, Alliance Rank should stay on each characterNo. Die thread, die!Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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No, Alliance Rank should stay on each characterEarthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »Why would it be account wide?Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.
Seems you answered your own question.
A: There aren't even hundreds, let alone thousands of alliance ranks to get.
B: Alliance ranks are valuable because they grant skill points and titles, both of which are character bound everywhere else in the game.Edited by Earthwardzilvox_ESO on April 10, 2015 12:02AMBright light casts a long shadow0 -
Zhoyzu✭✭✭✭✭i think it would be nice but im not to concerned with it. i can kind of see how my time is spent in cyrodiil by a characters alliance rank. time spent and such.
all it really is imo is titles every now and then and a color i probably wont use.Zhoyzu - Nightblade Alchemist (v15) RETIRED
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vrine✭✭✭✭✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideYes please.@vrine
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lostavalon✭✭✭you needed to add another option to the poll.
should be acc wide, but only to one faction, so if you have a dc toon rank 25, you wouldnt be able to start an ad toon and be at rank 25,
i only be with this as not everyone is able to be on all the time to consistantly farm ap. work/real life yano.. and 1-24 can be a big grind for some ppl
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✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideYes since it discourages to making alt characters solely for pvp.
or something like thisWould be interested in seeing Alliance Rank made Alliance wide, but not account wide.
8 Characters in the same alliance? Give them the same rank.
8 Characters spread across the different alliances? Group them by rank.Edited by Soris on April 10, 2015 12:21AMWelkynd [Templar/AD/EU]3 -
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✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideEarthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »Why would it be account wide? Titles aren't account wide, nor are achievements and quest completions. The only exception is champion points, and that's because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.
except your wrong , loads of achievemnets are account wide. just check out your dye's on alts
and why shouldn't they be account wipe? considering the time investment to get aliiance 10 unlocks it should be account wide same as champion points. its good for the health of the game. the only folk i can see whining against this are the so called "leet" pvp crew who want to have all the nice pvp stuff on thier one uber toon and nobody who likes alts having any chance of getting them.
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Tonturri✭✭✭✭✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideI'm fond of the account-faction-wide pvp level. I have 8 alts - all of which are on Aldmeri Dominion. Faction wide would allow me to negate some of the 'new alt is skill point starved, good lord this is awful' thing, as well as let me PvP on my sorc without eyetwitching at the time I'll need to invest in order to get Vigor for my nightblade. Really my sorc only uses rapid...2 -
No, Alliance Rank should stay on each character
Achievements are not account wide, just the dyes. You can still get the achievement. If you're whining about time commitment, why shouldn't EVERYTHING be account wide? Everything takes time: Levelling, generating gold, earning AP, completing dungeons, doing quests! Why not make exp, quest rewards, and mob drops account wide! Then we wouldn't even have to play our alts, they'd just be v14, and fully geared up when we logged in!Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »Why would it be account wide? Titles aren't account wide, nor are achievements and quest completions. The only exception is champion points, and that's because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.
except your wrong , loads of achievemnets are account wide. just check out your dye's on alts
and why shouldn't they be account wipe? considering the time investment to get aliiance 10 unlocks it should be account wide same as champion points. its good for the health of the game. the only folk i can see whining against this are the so called "leet" pvp crew who want to have all the nice pvp stuff on thier one uber toon and nobody who likes alts having any chance of getting them.
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✭✭✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideThis is a pretty clear yes.
Anyone who says no just isn't thinking ahead enough or just isn't considerate of others.My Holiday Wishlist Below - Message me with any questions and Happy Holidays.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account widethis is an awesome idea! lets make it happen!
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✭✭✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideEarthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »
Achievements are not account wide, just the dyes. You can still get the achievement. If you're whining about time commitment, why shouldn't EVERYTHING be account wide? Everything takes time: Levelling, generating gold, earning AP, completing dungeons, doing quests! Why not make exp, quest rewards, and mob drops account wide! Then we wouldn't even have to play our alts, they'd just be v14, and fully geared up when we logged in!Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »Why would it be account wide? Titles aren't account wide, nor are achievements and quest completions. The only exception is champion points, and that's because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.
except your wrong , loads of achievemnets are account wide. just check out your dye's on alts
and why shouldn't they be account wipe? considering the time investment to get aliiance 10 unlocks it should be account wide same as champion points. its good for the health of the game. the only folk i can see whining against this are the so called "leet" pvp crew who want to have all the nice pvp stuff on thier one uber toon and nobody who likes alts having any chance of getting them.
Cyrodiil ranks are the longest grind in the game. If I could rank up in cyrodiil the same way that I can make gold, level up a vet rank, finish dungeons, etc, then I'd be the top rank in cyrodiil, but I can't because ranking up in cyrodiil is an extremly long grind.My Holiday Wishlist Below - Message me with any questions and Happy Holidays.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wide
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✭✭✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideEarthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »Why would it be account wide?Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.
Seems you answered your own question.
A: There aren't even hundreds, let alone thousands of alliance ranks to get.
B: Alliance ranks are valuable because they grant skill points and titles, both of which are character bound everywhere else in the game.
A. There aren't even millions of ranks to achieve, but it is still a drawn out grind that offers valuable skills for any end game player. The thought of getting vigor, or even caltrops, on an alt is a nightmare.
B. If alliance ranks become account wide, then the game isn't necessarily harmed, even if new toons can have extra skill points. This would actually make an incentive for players to roll new toons. Rewarding players for doing new game plus is a good thing where I come from.My Holiday Wishlist Below - Message me with any questions and Happy Holidays.
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No, Alliance Rank should stay on each characterPersonofsecrets wrote: »
Cyrodiil ranks are the longest grind in the game. If I could rank up in cyrodiil the same way that I can make gold, level up a vet rank, finish dungeons, etc, then I'd be the top rank in cyrodiil, but I can't because ranking up in cyrodiil is an extremly long grind.
No, champion points are the longest grind in the game. PvP ranks take a while, but unlike leveling, you don't need pvp ranks to access pvp content. It's just more skillpoints on top of the hundreds we already have, and bragging rights.
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✭✭✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideEarthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »Why would it be account wide? Titles aren't account wide, nor are achievements and quest completions. The only exception is champion points, and that's because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.
Why would champion points be account wide? Titles aren't account wide, nor are achievements and quest completions.
If alliance ranks where to be made account wide, then the only reasons for that I could imagine would be that alliance ranks are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.My Holiday Wishlist Below - Message me with any questions and Happy Holidays.
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No, Alliance Rank should stay on each characterPersonofsecrets wrote: »Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »Why would it be account wide? Titles aren't account wide, nor are achievements and quest completions. The only exception is champion points, and that's because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.
Why would champion points be account wide? Titles aren't account wide, nor are achievements and quest completions.
If alliance ranks where to be made account wide, then the only reasons for that I could imagine would be that alliance ranks are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.
Again, the difference in value between a champion point and a skill point is massive, and there are less than a 100th of the number of alliance ranks as there are champion ranks. Trying to compare the two is like comparing a meatball to a big mac. That aside, I don't particularly approve of the champion system being account wide in the first place. There's good reason, but the champion system could be character specific and have say, 360 ranks instead of 3600. That would make way more sense.
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✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideEarthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »Why would it be account wide?Earthwardzilvox_ESO wrote: »because they are of so little value individually, and there are so god damned many of em.
Seems you answered your own question.
A: There aren't even hundreds, let alone thousands of alliance ranks to get.
B: Alliance ranks are valuable because they grant skill points and titles, both of which are character bound everywhere else in the game.
True, there's aren't hundreds or even thousands of ranks, just 50, but it does take 64,680,000 points to get to rank 50 and that is not an insignificant number by any means. I think we may have a few people who have reached that rank in the year that the game has been out, quick forum search turned up 1. Make it account wide, add another 10 ranks or so to it and you have at least a couple years worth of AP farming for most pvpers. It's not that different from the CP grind, in terms of time frames and the rewards are much less significant. At some point skill points are just for random skills you want to test our or mess around with, the game provides plenty. I think overall it would give people an incentive to play with multiple characters in pvp and make leveling an alt slightly less daunting.Leylith - MagSorc | Leyloth - StamPlar | Leynerd - MagPlar | Leylit - StamBlade | Ley Eviticus - StamDK | Leydor - MagDen | Leylum - StamSorc | Leylux - MagBlade1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, Alliance Rank should stay on each characterdeathpandax_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I say no because this game is A vs A but perhaps the system is by design flawed because we are allowed to play diff factions on PvE but get faction locked on PvP....
Lets assume for a moment that it wouldnt be an issue and it would be "faction wide".
Then I'd say yes
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Divad Zarn✭✭✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideI think it should be, yes, especially since its taking so much time to acquire alliance rank.4 -
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✭No, Alliance Rank should stay on each characterWhen I see a character of a certain alliance rank, I want to know they earned it on that character. Same goes for showing my alliance rank. I'm all for ease of access for playing different characters and classes, but let's keep this in perspective. Everything in the game shouldn't be account based. Champion points already provide enough account coverage.
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Anvos✭✭✭Yes, Alliance Rank should be account wideI'd say yes but literally meaning alliance wide where you have one rank for EP, one for DC, and one for AD.0
