Are damage shields still too much?

thelordoffelines

40 k damage shields? What have I and most sorcs I meet in game been doing wrong?

Galalin

Ppl just don't get what's the major issue with damage shields... and they won't because i have not seen one person defend what is the biggest issue with them (although i have not searched for it either).... i will make a post explaining on monday so that ZoS can see it then. Untill then all you sorcs defending it keep up the QQ and don't forget to post your views monday in my thread... this...lets call it adjustment will not affect PvE players... only PvP and has nothing to do with shield values...

may the QQ be with you

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Vis

Galalin wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

I tried to keep reading this, but I just cant. The people in here crying are just ridiculous. Stamina users complaining that they can't kill burst people fast enough and that builds are less diverse? Is that real? Builds are infinitely more diverse than they used to be, and stamina has by far the highest DPS.

Shields are not hard to break through, especially with stam 2H builds. What I am hearing is a major issue with the attackers build.

If someone has a better build should they not be rewarded? Or should we all just have the exact same stats, come on now. You could do something very similar if you chose.

Instead you want to be some sneaky ninja that crawls around in the darkness, or holds RMB and wonders why they cant kill anyone. Pick and choose, everyone has their counter.

Im not saying i cant kill them... im saying that its an issue with me that damage is mitigated before it applies to the valve of the shield.

If that is true then it safe to say other modifiers are being applied to shields too. So should vampires not receive extra fire damage if they have their shield up? Should damage increase from things like CP not apply when hitting a shield? Wouldn't you agree it's unfair to have one apply without the other?

Galalin

Vis wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

I tried to keep reading this, but I just cant. The people in here crying are just ridiculous. Stamina users complaining that they can't kill burst people fast enough and that builds are less diverse? Is that real? Builds are infinitely more diverse than they used to be, and stamina has by far the highest DPS.

Shields are not hard to break through, especially with stam 2H builds. What I am hearing is a major issue with the attackers build.

If someone has a better build should they not be rewarded? Or should we all just have the exact same stats, come on now. You could do something very similar if you chose.

Instead you want to be some sneaky ninja that crawls around in the darkness, or holds RMB and wonders why they cant kill anyone. Pick and choose, everyone has their counter.

Im not saying i cant kill them... im saying that its an issue with me that damage is mitigated before it applies to the valve of the shield.

If that is true then it safe to say other modifiers are being applied to shields too. So should vampires not receive extra fire damage if they have their shield up? Should damage increase from things like CP not apply when hitting a shield? Wouldn't you agree it's unfair to have one apply without the other?

Vis.... that is almost exactly what IS happening... im not basing my complaints on sorcs... its against shields in general.... monday i will make a post for ZoS and explain my position on it and why... but you are not far off and in some cases right

Cody

Aimelin wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

I have one and only one beef with shield stacking and sorcs: No Drawbacks in build design. It allows you to have a character built to absorb damage like a tank while having fantastic DPS and great mobility.

this is what my problem has always been with damage shield stacking. People have been to busy calling me a "baddie" and all that crap to see it:/

I myself never just pinned it down to sorcs alone, but i agree with your post.

So you're not spamming wrecking blow like every other simpleton with a stam build out there? Sure ...

Shield stacking is lame but with the weak dmg mitigation on light armor and the dumbfounded idea devs had to allow abilities to hit/crit for 50-70% of someone's HP made shield stacking still a thing.

Now if they would fix bone shield it might be something useful to use but 6s is not a long time, or maybe if they thought of adding a CS passive to reduce phys dmg, but nope, we get some *** diminished "extra" armor while people are getting armor pen, more phys dmg, more weapon dmg from sets, all the while space is almost empty caus 5000million meteors have been summoned and the poor guy in LA would have to find a way to survive for more than 2seconds without dmg shields?

But you're asking to "look" at dmg shields again?

i dont spam WB, i dont even use 2H

i switch every now and then between DW/bow, and full on Dw. I do not spam WB. WB spam is easy to counter, and I feel lazy when i do it:/

and yes, i want damage shields looked at. I've been against damage shield stack/spam since WAY before 1.6 However, after seeing the truly ridiculous numbers damage can reach, i see why people do it.

It does not mean I like it or that it is a good thing. Damage shield spam/stack is not a good thing. It turns players into both tanks and high DPSers at the same time. There is no balance to that and it turns PvP into an utter frustration; but it is necessary due to the new damage numbers.

It also means you run a damage shield stack/spam set up or die. As soon as a player starts stacking damage shields, all the damage in the world I can put out wont get thru them, and I am forced to:

roll dodge 10 times and delay my inevitable death
flee
hope someone comes to help.

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Cody

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

Animation cancelling doesn't speed up the rate you can cast spells. There have been a few exception with stuff like WoE, the 3rd cast would go a bit faster.

40k Shields is extremely high. I walk around with something like 14565, barrier can be added to that.

But then considering 2h can hit for 12-16k and meteor can do over 30k, I see no issue here.

Cast a damage shield then hit block... it does shave time off.

alot of sorcs are running 40k or very close.

Yes a 2h can hit for 12-16k even with my weapon damage at 4050 i generally crit for 12-13k.... BUT... Crit does not count against shields... so hitting a shield for 12-16k with 2h or hitting meteor for 30k is impossible against a shield.... you can only get that dps if the shield is broken.

^^^^^ this is why i was asking for crit and dots to affect shields and i don't think that is unreasonable.

ADDED: you don't thnk that a damage shield recastable in a second that negates more crit damage than a full legendary set of armor plus shield with impen on every piece is a little OP... infact its not just more crit damage reduction its 100% crit damage reduction on top of that a free purge of all dots.

Thats before it even absorbs the 40k or whatever damage.

Idk but i do

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How are you guys breaking 4k weapon damage....I'm super weapon damage stacked and i can hit almost 3.5k

I play with people that hit over 4800. Bats hitting for 6k per tick and well over 10k steel tornado.

You are really lucky if you get over 2500 spell dmg, and even then it scales at a slower rate.

How on earth are they getting 4800 weapon damage?

Like I don't see how that's possible in terms of sets available.

Is there some Group Buff i'm not seeing.

im wondering the same thing.

My weapon damage right now with my legendary VR14 bow is about 1.7K:(

must be sets.

Cinnamon_Spider

Cody wrote: »

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Hardened ward does not eliminate the need for a resto staff and it most certainly does not allow me to tank.

Galalin

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Hardened ward does not eliminate the need for a resto staff and it most certainly does not allow me to tank.

Yes you are absolutely right... because you would still need a taunt... i know i know... cheap shot.

Still love all you sorcs even if you have a distaste for myself.

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Cinnamon_Spider

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Hardened ward does not eliminate the need for a resto staff and it most certainly does not allow me to tank.

Yes you are absolutely right... because you would still need a taunt... i know i know... cheap shot.

Still love all you sorcs even if you have a distaste for myself.

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I don't have a distaste for you. You just keep going on about something when you obviously don't have all of the facts. I hate misinformation.

Galalin

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Hardened ward does not eliminate the need for a resto staff and it most certainly does not allow me to tank.

Yes you are absolutely right... because you would still need a taunt... i know i know... cheap shot.

Still love all you sorcs even if you have a distaste for myself.

DK SCRUB OUT

I don't have a distaste for you. You just keep going on about something when you obviously don't have all of the facts. I hate misinformation.

What was my misinformation? Maybe i can clear it up for you?

ADDED: you can't just say i go on about something i don't have the facts about and call it misinformation without providing some sort of examples .... or it makes it look like its the other way around.

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Cinnamon_Spider

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Hardened ward does not eliminate the need for a resto staff and it most certainly does not allow me to tank.

Yes you are absolutely right... because you would still need a taunt... i know i know... cheap shot.

Still love all you sorcs even if you have a distaste for myself.

DK SCRUB OUT

I don't have a distaste for you. You just keep going on about something when you obviously don't have all of the facts. I hate misinformation.

What was my misinformation? Maybe i can clear it up for you?

ADDED: you can't just say i go on about something i don't have the facts about and call it misinformation without providing some sort of examples .... or it makes it look like its the other way around.

DK SCRUB OUT

Your misinformation has been explained multiple times in all of these nerf sorc threads by multiple people. Go back and reread them if you need to refresh your memory.

Galalin

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Hardened ward does not eliminate the need for a resto staff and it most certainly does not allow me to tank.

Yes you are absolutely right... because you would still need a taunt... i know i know... cheap shot.

Still love all you sorcs even if you have a distaste for myself.

DK SCRUB OUT

I don't have a distaste for you. You just keep going on about something when you obviously don't have all of the facts. I hate misinformation.

What was my misinformation? Maybe i can clear it up for you?

ADDED: you can't just say i go on about something i don't have the facts about and call it misinformation without providing some sort of examples .... or it makes it look like its the other way around.

DK SCRUB OUT

Your misinformation has been explained multiple times in all of these nerf sorc threads by multiple people. Go back and reread them if you need to refresh your memory.

What some ppl called misinformation was not and i had responded to them... maybe you didn't read the responses or just chose to ignore the facts? Can you give me an example? Surely if there is so much misinformation it would take but a few seconds of time

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Xeniph

Every person out there that uses shields, be it Hardened/Healing Ward/Igneous/Brawler/Shielded Assault/Harness Magicka, knows that they are a bit out of tune when it comes to pvp, assuming you build/gear correctly.

And those spouting large numbers know they could easily achieve these if they wanted, they are simply deflecting.

Yes everyone has access to some of these, but the implementation and rules governing these need to be adjusted. Shields need to not negate some CC abilities, either not prevent or absorb bleed damage, or prevent crits and above all shouldn't be spammable. Probably best if they put flat percentages on them aswell.

Lets be honest here, my Sorc and DK are way more survivable in Light Armor than they should be with smart shield usage. And with the removal of softcaps it's way too easy to maintain this survivability indefinitely. It's actually worse than pre-1.6 imo.

But, like everyone who uses these builds/abilities correctly, I will continue to use them to their fullest advantage. That's the nature of any MMO. So ultimately, adjust them or not, makes little difference to me.

Just my two cents.

Galalin

Xeniph wrote: »

Every person out there that uses shields, be it Hardened/Healing Ward/Igneous/Brawler/Shielded Assault/Harness Magicka, knows that they are a bit out of tune when it comes to pvp, assuming you build/gear correctly.

And those spouting large numbers know they could easily achieve these if they wanted, they are simply deflecting.

Yes everyone has access to some of these, but the implementation and rules governing these need to be adjusted. Shields need to not negate some CC abilities, either not prevent or absorb bleed damage, or prevent crits and above all shouldn't be spammable. Probably best if they put flat percentages on them aswell.

Lets be honest here, my Sorc and DK are way more survivable in Light Armor than they should be with smart shield usage. And with the removal of softcaps it's way too easy to maintain this survivability indefinitely. It's actually worse than pre-1.6 imo.

But, like everyone who uses these builds/abilities correctly, I will continue to use them to their fullest advantage. That's the nature of any MMO. So ultimately, adjust them or not, makes little difference to me.

Just my two cents.

This ^^^ make that 4 cents

HungerCity

This is a case of L2P in Star Wars they didn't come at the Death Star head on! They went for its weakness! Sorcs who can maintain shields have NO STAMINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CC US! Drain our stamina and we drop like flies

L2FP

Domander

I do not think damage shields in general are a problem. I do think the 2 magicka scaled damage shields (annulment, conjured ward) are... healing ward doesn't count since it also scales with missing health. I think it would be more balanced to have them scale with health.

I also think nightblades should have a class shield.

Galalin

Domander wrote: »

I do not think damage shields in general are a problem. I do think the 2 magicka scaled damage shields (annulment, conjured ward) are... healing ward doesn't count since it also scales with missing health. I think it would be more balanced to have them scale with health.

This ^^^ and the bigger issue is complete immunity from crit and dots as well as some CC... you take all of the abilities that a damage shields negates and it adds up fast to a ton of abilities and a ton of damage mitigated before the shield.... just the immunity to crit makes it ridiculously OP its more powerful then a full legendaty set with impen on all pieces, nevermind the rest of the perks

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Cinnamon_Spider

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Hardened ward does not eliminate the need for a resto staff and it most certainly does not allow me to tank.

Yes you are absolutely right... because you would still need a taunt... i know i know... cheap shot.

Still love all you sorcs even if you have a distaste for myself.

DK SCRUB OUT

I don't have a distaste for you. You just keep going on about something when you obviously don't have all of the facts. I hate misinformation.

What was my misinformation? Maybe i can clear it up for you?

ADDED: you can't just say i go on about something i don't have the facts about and call it misinformation without providing some sort of examples .... or it makes it look like its the other way around.

DK SCRUB OUT

Your misinformation has been explained multiple times in all of these nerf sorc threads by multiple people. Go back and reread them if you need to refresh your memory.

What some ppl called misinformation was not and i had responded to them... maybe you didn't read the responses or just chose to ignore the facts? Can you give me an example? Surely if there is so much misinformation it would take but a few seconds of time

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Go back and read every reply that people have made to you.

Galalin

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Hardened ward does not eliminate the need for a resto staff and it most certainly does not allow me to tank.

Yes you are absolutely right... because you would still need a taunt... i know i know... cheap shot.

Still love all you sorcs even if you have a distaste for myself.

DK SCRUB OUT

I don't have a distaste for you. You just keep going on about something when you obviously don't have all of the facts. I hate misinformation.

What was my misinformation? Maybe i can clear it up for you?

ADDED: you can't just say i go on about something i don't have the facts about and call it misinformation without providing some sort of examples .... or it makes it look like its the other way around.

DK SCRUB OUT

Your misinformation has been explained multiple times in all of these nerf sorc threads by multiple people. Go back and reread them if you need to refresh your memory.

What some ppl called misinformation was not and i had responded to them... maybe you didn't read the responses or just chose to ignore the facts? Can you give me an example? Surely if there is so much misinformation it would take but a few seconds of time

DK SCRUB OUT

Go back and read every reply that people have made to you.

I already have and have responded to them.... so again i pose the question what misinformation? Just because somebody says something doesn't make it fact... myself included.

Can you honestly deni the fact that damage shields are mitigating 100% of crit damage? That damage shields cause immunity to some CC? That damage shields can be stacked over 40k? That damage shields act as purge for dots? That dots damage does not apply to damage shields? Just because someone says its misinformation does not make it so... facts are facts... get your straight pls.

ADDED: Not that i don't think your a great player or a nice person and i still love all you sorxs but the facts don't lie.... damage shield could use a small change to benefit the game

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Cinnamon_Spider

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Hardened ward does not eliminate the need for a resto staff and it most certainly does not allow me to tank.

Yes you are absolutely right... because you would still need a taunt... i know i know... cheap shot.

Still love all you sorcs even if you have a distaste for myself.

DK SCRUB OUT

I don't have a distaste for you. You just keep going on about something when you obviously don't have all of the facts. I hate misinformation.

What was my misinformation? Maybe i can clear it up for you?

ADDED: you can't just say i go on about something i don't have the facts about and call it misinformation without providing some sort of examples .... or it makes it look like its the other way around.

DK SCRUB OUT

Your misinformation has been explained multiple times in all of these nerf sorc threads by multiple people. Go back and reread them if you need to refresh your memory.

What some ppl called misinformation was not and i had responded to them... maybe you didn't read the responses or just chose to ignore the facts? Can you give me an example? Surely if there is so much misinformation it would take but a few seconds of time

DK SCRUB OUT

Go back and read every reply that people have made to you.

I already have and have responded to them.... so again i pose the question what misinformation? Just because somebody says something doesn't make it fact... myself included.

Can you honestly deni the fact that damage shields are mitigating 100% of crit damage? That damage shields cause immunity to some CC? That damage shields can be stacked over 40k? That damage shields act as purge for dots? That dots damage does not apply to damage shields? Just because someone says its misinformation does not make it so... facts are facts... get your straight pls.

ADDED: Not that i don't think your a great player or a nice person and i still love all you sorxs but the facts don't lie.... damage shield could use a small change to benefit the game

DK SCRUB OUT

No one has damage shields for 40k. I imagine you're including barrier in this number, which is completely asinine. The average hardened ward is around 10k and alot of the sorcs I know have a smaller one. Most of the damage we get is this much or higher. Even with my ward up (mine is 11k in pvp), I can be one shot by siege.
It does not act as a purge for dots. I still need to purge when I reapply my ward. I tested this with someone using a poison injection and also with the dot from fire trebs.

The only one that needs to get their facts straight is you. Shields have already gotten a nerf. Anymore of a nerf and myself and other sorcs will be good for nothing but being your AP piñata. They're especially important now that siege hits so hard.

As has already been said multiple times, this is a l2p issue for anyone that cannot kill a sorc. Shields are not the problem.

derpsticks

I think what he means be purging DoTs is what I mentioned above with regards to DoTs that are already applied getting absorbed by any shield that is activated after the DoT.

I guess you could think of applying a damage shield as a way to "purge" the DoT by having it be absorbed by the shield on the fly instead of it hurting you.

FENGRUSH

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Hardened ward does not eliminate the need for a resto staff and it most certainly does not allow me to tank.

Yes you are absolutely right... because you would still need a taunt... i know i know... cheap shot.

Still love all you sorcs even if you have a distaste for myself.

DK SCRUB OUT

I don't have a distaste for you. You just keep going on about something when you obviously don't have all of the facts. I hate misinformation.

What was my misinformation? Maybe i can clear it up for you?

ADDED: you can't just say i go on about something i don't have the facts about and call it misinformation without providing some sort of examples .... or it makes it look like its the other way around.

DK SCRUB OUT

Your misinformation has been explained multiple times in all of these nerf sorc threads by multiple people. Go back and reread them if you need to refresh your memory.

What some ppl called misinformation was not and i had responded to them... maybe you didn't read the responses or just chose to ignore the facts? Can you give me an example? Surely if there is so much misinformation it would take but a few seconds of time

DK SCRUB OUT

Go back and read every reply that people have made to you.

I already have and have responded to them.... so again i pose the question what misinformation? Just because somebody says something doesn't make it fact... myself included.

Can you honestly deni the fact that damage shields are mitigating 100% of crit damage? That damage shields cause immunity to some CC? That damage shields can be stacked over 40k? That damage shields act as purge for dots? That dots damage does not apply to damage shields? Just because someone says its misinformation does not make it so... facts are facts... get your straight pls.

ADDED: Not that i don't think your a great player or a nice person and i still love all you sorxs but the facts don't lie.... damage shield could use a small change to benefit the game

DK SCRUB OUT

No one has damage shields for 40k. I imagine you're including barrier in this number, which is completely asinine. The average hardened ward is around 10k and alot of the sorcs I know have a smaller one. Most of the damage we get is this much or higher. Even with my ward up (mine is 11k in pvp), I can be one shot by siege.
It does not act as a purge for dots. I still need to purge when I reapply my ward. I tested this with someone using a poison injection and also with the dot from fire trebs.

The only one that needs to get their facts straight is you. Shields have already gotten a nerf. Anymore of a nerf and myself and other sorcs will be good for nothing but being your AP piñata. They're especially important now that siege hits so hard.

As has already been said multiple times, this is a l2p issue for anyone that cannot kill a sorc. Shields are not the problem.

Bring forth the pinatas.

Derra

Xeniph wrote: »

Every person out there that uses shields, be it Hardened/Healing Ward/Igneous/Brawler/Shielded Assault/Harness Magicka, knows that they are a bit out of tune when it comes to pvp, assuming you build/gear correctly.

And those spouting large numbers know they could easily achieve these if they wanted, they are simply deflecting.

Yes everyone has access to some of these, but the implementation and rules governing these need to be adjusted. Shields need to not negate some CC abilities, either not prevent or absorb bleed damage, or prevent crits and above all shouldn't be spammable. Probably best if they put flat percentages on them aswell.

Lets be honest here, my Sorc and DK are way more survivable in Light Armor than they should be with smart shield usage. And with the removal of softcaps it's way too easy to maintain this survivability indefinitely. It's actually worse than pre-1.6 imo.

But, like everyone who uses these builds/abilities correctly, I will continue to use them to their fullest advantage. That's the nature of any MMO. So ultimately, adjust them or not, makes little difference to me.

Just my two cents.

With the dmg currently in the game shields need to prevent crits. If an archer with 60%+ crit would reliably be able to crit on my ONE shield that is able to stop his dmg i´d be toast in 10 seconds max.
Currently i need 1 shieldcast to mitigate 1 snipe / WB. The only defense to direct dmg has to be tuned to compete with numbers ob top dmging abilities (for a class that has no direct heal or other defensive capabilities).

Galalin

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Hardened ward does not eliminate the need for a resto staff and it most certainly does not allow me to tank.

Yes you are absolutely right... because you would still need a taunt... i know i know... cheap shot.

Still love all you sorcs even if you have a distaste for myself.

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I don't have a distaste for you. You just keep going on about something when you obviously don't have all of the facts. I hate misinformation.

What was my misinformation? Maybe i can clear it up for you?

ADDED: you can't just say i go on about something i don't have the facts about and call it misinformation without providing some sort of examples .... or it makes it look like its the other way around.

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Your misinformation has been explained multiple times in all of these nerf sorc threads by multiple people. Go back and reread them if you need to refresh your memory.

What some ppl called misinformation was not and i had responded to them... maybe you didn't read the responses or just chose to ignore the facts? Can you give me an example? Surely if there is so much misinformation it would take but a few seconds of time

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Go back and read every reply that people have made to you.

I already have and have responded to them.... so again i pose the question what misinformation? Just because somebody says something doesn't make it fact... myself included.

Can you honestly deni the fact that damage shields are mitigating 100% of crit damage? That damage shields cause immunity to some CC? That damage shields can be stacked over 40k? That damage shields act as purge for dots? That dots damage does not apply to damage shields? Just because someone says its misinformation does not make it so... facts are facts... get your straight pls.

ADDED: Not that i don't think your a great player or a nice person and i still love all you sorxs but the facts don't lie.... damage shield could use a small change to benefit the game

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No one has damage shields for 40k. I imagine you're including barrier in this number, which is completely asinine. The average hardened ward is around 10k and alot of the sorcs I know have a smaller one. Most of the damage we get is this much or higher. Even with my ward up (mine is 11k in pvp), I can be one shot by siege.
It does not act as a purge for dots. I still need to purge when I reapply my ward. I tested this with someone using a poison injection and also with the dot from fire trebs.

The only one that needs to get their facts straight is you. Shields have already gotten a nerf. Anymore of a nerf and myself and other sorcs will be good for nothing but being your AP piñata. They're especially important now that siege hits so hard.

As has already been said multiple times, this is a l2p issue for anyone that cannot kill a sorc. Shields are not the problem.

Shields. .. shields... shield(s) how many times do i have to say it.... stacking shields... not 1 single shield...this is a learn 2 read issue and Ezareth has even stated in another thread he gets to 38k... that not even the issue i have.... and yes a dot is applied to the player and bam shield no more dot damage on that person... what about the 100% negate to critical hits? Are you going to tell me thats a load of crap too? Get your facts straight lady for the last time... and how can you say if they fix a thing or 2 with damage shields you will be an AP Pinata... when you haven't even seen a change... crit does not affect siege so that won't matter at all... in fact siege has no bearing on this in any way.... where do you come up with this stuff? A change to crit being 100% negated is absolutely needed. Take your blinders off already

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Galalin

Derra wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Every person out there that uses shields, be it Hardened/Healing Ward/Igneous/Brawler/Shielded Assault/Harness Magicka, knows that they are a bit out of tune when it comes to pvp, assuming you build/gear correctly.

And those spouting large numbers know they could easily achieve these if they wanted, they are simply deflecting.

Yes everyone has access to some of these, but the implementation and rules governing these need to be adjusted. Shields need to not negate some CC abilities, either not prevent or absorb bleed damage, or prevent crits and above all shouldn't be spammable. Probably best if they put flat percentages on them aswell.

Lets be honest here, my Sorc and DK are way more survivable in Light Armor than they should be with smart shield usage. And with the removal of softcaps it's way too easy to maintain this survivability indefinitely. It's actually worse than pre-1.6 imo.

But, like everyone who uses these builds/abilities correctly, I will continue to use them to their fullest advantage. That's the nature of any MMO. So ultimately, adjust them or not, makes little difference to me.

Just my two cents.

With the dmg currently in the game shields need to prevent crits. If an archer with 60%+ crit would reliably be able to crit on my ONE shield that is able to stop his dmg i´d be toast in 10 seconds max.
Currently i need 1 shieldcast to mitigate 1 snipe / WB. The only defense to direct dmg has to be tuned to compete with numbers ob top dmging abilities (for a class that has no direct heal or other defensive capabilities).

I see so its fair that a player specs himself and gears himself so he can crit more often and you can negate all of his gear... passives and CP he uses to achieve this... with 1 click of a button because you NEED to not die in 10 sec like the rest of the players in eso.... makes perfect sense to me now.

How about we make it so you can't crit other ppl when you have a shield on.... sounds fair doesn't it?

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Soulac

Same arguments over and over.. on both sides.

Dmg shields are kinda fine in my opinion, Magicka users need some defense as well or do you expect them to dodge and block with their staves?
I can't say that I don't hate it either, but what could you change without creating a total imbalance?

Galalin

Soulac wrote: »

Same arguments over and over.. on both sides.

Dmg shields are kinda fine in my opinion, Magicka users need some defense as well or do you expect them to dodge and block with their staves?
I can't say that I don't hate it either, but what could you change without creating a total imbalance?

Allowing crit vs shield for one... or making it so when you are affected by a damage shield you are not able to crit... but i will be making a post on the issue tomorrow as long as i find time so not going to go into a lot of detail here... but that is probably my main issue with damage shields... how is it even possible to completely negate crits is beyond me... i would rather see a slightly higher shield value to somewhat compensate for the change but like i said i won't go to much more into it

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Derra

Galalin wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Every person out there that uses shields, be it Hardened/Healing Ward/Igneous/Brawler/Shielded Assault/Harness Magicka, knows that they are a bit out of tune when it comes to pvp, assuming you build/gear correctly.

And those spouting large numbers know they could easily achieve these if they wanted, they are simply deflecting.

Yes everyone has access to some of these, but the implementation and rules governing these need to be adjusted. Shields need to not negate some CC abilities, either not prevent or absorb bleed damage, or prevent crits and above all shouldn't be spammable. Probably best if they put flat percentages on them aswell.

Lets be honest here, my Sorc and DK are way more survivable in Light Armor than they should be with smart shield usage. And with the removal of softcaps it's way too easy to maintain this survivability indefinitely. It's actually worse than pre-1.6 imo.

But, like everyone who uses these builds/abilities correctly, I will continue to use them to their fullest advantage. That's the nature of any MMO. So ultimately, adjust them or not, makes little difference to me.

Just my two cents.

With the dmg currently in the game shields need to prevent crits. If an archer with 60%+ crit would reliably be able to crit on my ONE shield that is able to stop his dmg i´d be toast in 10 seconds max.
Currently i need 1 shieldcast to mitigate 1 snipe / WB. The only defense to direct dmg has to be tuned to compete with numbers ob top dmging abilities (for a class that has no direct heal or other defensive capabilities).

I see so its fair that a player specs himself and gears himself so he can crit more often and you can negate all of his gear... passives and CP he uses to achieve this... with 1 click of a button because you NEED to not die in 10 sec like the rest of the players in eso.... makes perfect sense to me now.

How about we make it so you can't crit other ppl when you have a shield on.... sounds fair doesn't it?

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I´d be fine with crits on shields if you allow me to critcast shields (50% more shields strengh). Ah wait that would be not so fine then i guess?

Edit: Everyone dying in 10 seconds when not ambushed is seriously doing something wrong atm. When ambushed by multiple ppl i die with or without shields - so i don´t understand where you´re coming from.

ToRelax

Galalin wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Same arguments over and over.. on both sides.

Dmg shields are kinda fine in my opinion, Magicka users need some defense as well or do you expect them to dodge and block with their staves?
I can't say that I don't hate it either, but what could you change without creating a total imbalance?

Allowing crit vs shield for one... or making it so when you are affected by a damage shield you are not able to crit... but i will be making a post on the issue tomorrow as long as i find time so not going to go into a lot of detail here... but that is probably my main issue with damage shields... how is it even possible to completely negate crits is beyond me... i would rather see a slightly higher shield value to somewhat compensate for the change but like i said i won't go to much more into it

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Yes, it's a counter vs. crit and yes, you need to spec for big shields, where was the issue again?

Cinnamon_Spider

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

So yes, I want damage shields looked at again.Yes I have a problem with being forced to use a restoration staff just to stay alive all because my class lacks a damage shield(and heals:(). Yes, I have a problem with players becoming both tanks and High DPSers at the same time. Yes, I have a problem with being forced into a particular play style just to have a shot and to do something besides just ganking people on sieges.

I also want all these ridiculous 15K hits done away with and these insane regain rates dealt with.

Hardened ward does not eliminate the need for a resto staff and it most certainly does not allow me to tank.

Yes you are absolutely right... because you would still need a taunt... i know i know... cheap shot.

Still love all you sorcs even if you have a distaste for myself.

DK SCRUB OUT

I don't have a distaste for you. You just keep going on about something when you obviously don't have all of the facts. I hate misinformation.

What was my misinformation? Maybe i can clear it up for you?

ADDED: you can't just say i go on about something i don't have the facts about and call it misinformation without providing some sort of examples .... or it makes it look like its the other way around.

DK SCRUB OUT

Your misinformation has been explained multiple times in all of these nerf sorc threads by multiple people. Go back and reread them if you need to refresh your memory.

What some ppl called misinformation was not and i had responded to them... maybe you didn't read the responses or just chose to ignore the facts? Can you give me an example? Surely if there is so much misinformation it would take but a few seconds of time

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Go back and read every reply that people have made to you.

I already have and have responded to them.... so again i pose the question what misinformation? Just because somebody says something doesn't make it fact... myself included.

Can you honestly deni the fact that damage shields are mitigating 100% of crit damage? That damage shields cause immunity to some CC? That damage shields can be stacked over 40k? That damage shields act as purge for dots? That dots damage does not apply to damage shields? Just because someone says its misinformation does not make it so... facts are facts... get your straight pls.

ADDED: Not that i don't think your a great player or a nice person and i still love all you sorxs but the facts don't lie.... damage shield could use a small change to benefit the game

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No one has damage shields for 40k. I imagine you're including barrier in this number, which is completely asinine. The average hardened ward is around 10k and alot of the sorcs I know have a smaller one. Most of the damage we get is this much or higher. Even with my ward up (mine is 11k in pvp), I can be one shot by siege.
It does not act as a purge for dots. I still need to purge when I reapply my ward. I tested this with someone using a poison injection and also with the dot from fire trebs.

The only one that needs to get their facts straight is you. Shields have already gotten a nerf. Anymore of a nerf and myself and other sorcs will be good for nothing but being your AP piñata. They're especially important now that siege hits so hard.

As has already been said multiple times, this is a l2p issue for anyone that cannot kill a sorc. Shields are not the problem.

Shields. .. shields... shield(s) how many times do i have to say it.... stacking shields... not 1 single shield...this is a learn 2 read issue and Ezareth has even stated in another thread he gets to 38k... that not even the issue i have.... and yes a dot is applied to the player and bam shield no more dot damage on that person... what about the 100% negate to critical hits? Are you going to tell me thats a load of crap too? Get your facts straight lady for the last time... and how can you say if they fix a thing or 2 with damage shields you will be an AP Pinata... when you haven't even seen a change... crit does not affect siege so that won't matter at all... in fact siege has no bearing on this in any way.... where do you come up with this stuff? A change to crit being 100% negated is absolutely needed. Take your blinders off already

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If a sorc really wanted to, they can stack the following shields:
Hardened Ward
Harness/Dampen Magic
Barrier
Healing Ward
Bone Shield

As has been said to you multiple times, the only one worth using is hardened ward. Annulment morphs only work against magic attacks and many sorcs have stopped using this. Barrier is an ultimate and there are much more effective ultimates available to us. Healing ward is only useful when your health is down and only lasts 6 seconds. Bone shield is based off of health and not useful at all to a glass cannon.

Just because someone can stack these doesn't mean they are and it doesn't mean it will keep them alive. And it's completely preposterous to request shields be nerfed just because someone could fill up their bar with these abilities.

And I can say that changing them at all will make me nothing more than free AP, because I've played without them and I've played with them. I've seen the difference and I have to work hard to stay alive as it is now. Maybe I make it look easy when you're rushing at me with the one button you need to press, but it isn't.