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CP is getting out of control - ZOS please react before it's too late

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  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    I love the hyperbole in this thread. From phantom CP gain bugs to people being VR14 almost 5 months before VR14 was even in the game. Yet they expect the devs to take them seriously.

    All due respect, there is nothing "phantom" about the CP gains. There are many people posting what they have earned due to the enlightenment bug.

    If they posted they have unlimited enlightenment they are making stuff up. Its that simple.
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    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    I love the hyperbole in this thread. From phantom CP gain bugs to people being VR14 almost 5 months before VR14 was even in the game. Yet they expect the devs to take them seriously.

    All due respect, there is nothing "phantom" about the CP gains. There are many people posting what they have earned due to the enlightenment bug.

    If they posted they have unlimited enlightenment they are making stuff up. Its that simple.

    Apparently, facts seem to have escaped your grasp. Obviously there is an issue with people earning more than they should due to bugs and ZoS has already acknowldeged this.
  • jpatek0501ub17_ESO
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    I only have 70 cp still cause this game sucks.
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    I love the hyperbole in this thread. From phantom CP gain bugs to people being VR14 almost 5 months before VR14 was even in the game. Yet they expect the devs to take them seriously.

    All due respect, there is nothing "phantom" about the CP gains. There are many people posting what they have earned due to the enlightenment bug.

    If they posted they have unlimited enlightenment they are making stuff up. Its that simple.

    Apparently, facts seem to have escaped your grasp. Obviously there is an issue with people earning more than they should due to bugs and ZoS has already acknowldeged this.

    Yes they earned 4/day instead of one. Where does it say people were earning more than this?
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    So ya 3 extra points times 4 days somehow equals 250+? Sorry but like I said thats just made up nonsense.
  • Soulshine
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    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    I love the hyperbole in this thread. From phantom CP gain bugs to people being VR14 almost 5 months before VR14 was even in the game. Yet they expect the devs to take them seriously.

    All due respect, there is nothing "phantom" about the CP gains. There are many people posting what they have earned due to the enlightenment bug.

    If they posted they have unlimited enlightenment they are making stuff up. Its that simple.

    Apparently, facts seem to have escaped your grasp. Obviously there is an issue with people earning more than they should due to bugs and ZoS has already acknowldeged this.

    Yes they earned 4/day instead of one. Where does it say people were earning more than this?

    A simple read through of the multiple threads on enlightenment tell you. Many people have been earning far more than 4 per day due to the bug.
  • Erock25
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    For all the people saying, 'WHHHAA ONLY 1 CP PER DAY, THAT RIDIC!'... it is only 1CP on enlightenment per day. You can earn as many CP as you want in any single day, you'll just do it at the normal rate instead of the enlightened rate.
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  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    So ya 3 extra points times 4 days somehow equals 250+? Sorry but like I said thats just made up nonsense.
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    I love the hyperbole in this thread. From phantom CP gain bugs to people being VR14 almost 5 months before VR14 was even in the game. Yet they expect the devs to take them seriously.

    All due respect, there is nothing "phantom" about the CP gains. There are many people posting what they have earned due to the enlightenment bug.

    If they posted they have unlimited enlightenment they are making stuff up. Its that simple.

    Apparently, facts seem to have escaped your grasp. Obviously there is an issue with people earning more than they should due to bugs and ZoS has already acknowldeged this.

    Yes they earned 4/day instead of one. Where does it say people were earning more than this?

    A simple read through of the multiple threads on enlightenment tell you. Many people have been earning far more than 4 per day due to the bug.

    Your problem is you believe someone who heard from someone who knows someone's couson who knew a dude who got 250cp. Dont believe everything you read. The bug was it was giving 4 cp per day instead of 1 cp enlightened. Period.
  • Soulshine
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    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    So ya 3 extra points times 4 days somehow equals 250+? Sorry but like I said thats just made up nonsense.
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    I love the hyperbole in this thread. From phantom CP gain bugs to people being VR14 almost 5 months before VR14 was even in the game. Yet they expect the devs to take them seriously.

    All due respect, there is nothing "phantom" about the CP gains. There are many people posting what they have earned due to the enlightenment bug.

    If they posted they have unlimited enlightenment they are making stuff up. Its that simple.

    Apparently, facts seem to have escaped your grasp. Obviously there is an issue with people earning more than they should due to bugs and ZoS has already acknowldeged this.

    Yes they earned 4/day instead of one. Where does it say people were earning more than this?

    A simple read through of the multiple threads on enlightenment tell you. Many people have been earning far more than 4 per day due to the bug.

    Your problem is you believe someone who heard from someone who knows someone's couson who knew a dude who got 250cp. Dont believe everything you read. The bug was it was giving 4 cp per day instead of 1 cp enlightened. Period.

    No I am not merely believing what is read. I know several people in GAME who are already well blown past the normal number of CPs as they have experienced this bug of permannent enlightenment which others here have also been reporting and which ZoS has acknowledged.
  • ferzalrwb17_ESO
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    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    So ya 3 extra points times 4 days somehow equals 250+? Sorry but like I said thats just made up nonsense.
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    I love the hyperbole in this thread. From phantom CP gain bugs to people being VR14 almost 5 months before VR14 was even in the game. Yet they expect the devs to take them seriously.

    All due respect, there is nothing "phantom" about the CP gains. There are many people posting what they have earned due to the enlightenment bug.

    If they posted they have unlimited enlightenment they are making stuff up. Its that simple.

    Apparently, facts seem to have escaped your grasp. Obviously there is an issue with people earning more than they should due to bugs and ZoS has already acknowldeged this.

    Yes they earned 4/day instead of one. Where does it say people were earning more than this?

    A simple read through of the multiple threads on enlightenment tell you. Many people have been earning far more than 4 per day due to the bug.

    Your problem is you believe someone who heard from someone who knows someone's couson who knew a dude who got 250cp. Dont believe everything you read. The bug was it was giving 4 cp per day instead of 1 cp enlightened. Period.

    Or, alternatively, don't believe anything you've heard even from people who actually know something about this game. One of the many bugs with enlightenment was the ability to exploit it permanently. For 5+ CP per hour all day long. 100 CP per day was quite possible for the hardcore grinders/exploiters.
  • Suhxtob-yu
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    vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »
    The concern for ppl having more CP than others and becoming more powerful than others surely comes from the pvp perspective.I dont see any reason for PvE players to complaint about others players being more powerful.At the end,in PvE,having a more powerful player with you will benefit you.ZOS should have done PvP with many diff rules and mechanics.You can see they are realizing it when they put the rule of dmg shield reduction in PvP.

    Agreed. Simple solution though, allow earning of 10 CP per day in Cyrodiil. This would allow us PvPers to keep doing what we want to do without impacting PvEers.
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    Tandor wrote: »
    trimsic_ESO wrote: »

    Solution:
    - Killing a mob should reward a fair amount of XP for those who level up their VR, but should reward ZERO CP - none, nada
    - Increase CP earned in Cyrodiil
    - Increase CP earned in dungeons when killing a boss and when completing them
    - Increase CP for accomplishing the dailies
    - Increase CP for accomplishing the pledges

    In short:
    - Grant ZERO CP for killing a mob
    - Grant only CP for playing ESO normally
    - Adjust the CP curve so it remains in line with your original plans
    - Keep it balanced across all the activities BUT grinding on mobs

    That's no solution. It means those who choose not to do the things you choose to do end up getting no CPs at all.

    If CPs are intended to be a long-term accumulation, then cap the amount that can be earned per day.

    When you're VR14, and you don't PVP in Cyrodiil, you don't do any pledge, no dungeon, no dailies, what do you do actually?

    Grind mob ?

    Come on...


  • Jando
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    My proposal for the Champion System can be found here:

    forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/155768/the-champion-system-its-problems-and-a-proposed-solution#latest

    Dear ZoS - Sell us great content at a reasonable price. Stop the Grind!!
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    Again all you guys are doing is spreading rumors. None of you have first hand knowledge and are going off what other people say. Fact of the matter is they are either purposely trolling you or they say something happened to them when it didnt.
  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    So ya 3 extra points times 4 days somehow equals 250+? Sorry but like I said thats just made up nonsense.
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Soulshine wrote: »
    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    I love the hyperbole in this thread. From phantom CP gain bugs to people being VR14 almost 5 months before VR14 was even in the game. Yet they expect the devs to take them seriously.

    All due respect, there is nothing "phantom" about the CP gains. There are many people posting what they have earned due to the enlightenment bug.

    If they posted they have unlimited enlightenment they are making stuff up. Its that simple.

    Apparently, facts seem to have escaped your grasp. Obviously there is an issue with people earning more than they should due to bugs and ZoS has already acknowldeged this.

    Yes they earned 4/day instead of one. Where does it say people were earning more than this?

    A simple read through of the multiple threads on enlightenment tell you. Many people have been earning far more than 4 per day due to the bug.

    Your problem is you believe someone who heard from someone who knows someone's couson who knew a dude who got 250cp. Dont believe everything you read. The bug was it was giving 4 cp per day instead of 1 cp enlightened. Period.

    Or, alternatively, don't believe anything you've heard even from people who actually know something about this game. One of the many bugs with enlightenment was the ability to exploit it permanently. For 5+ CP per hour all day long. 100 CP per day was quite possible for the hardcore grinders/exploiters.

    There was no ability to exploit anything permanently. What they were seeing was a display bug. The same people kept claiming to earn CP only to lose it later due to logging in and out. Fact is they never earned the cp it was a display malfunction. Which is why when they relogged it showed what they actually had not what the display told them they had.
  • Soulshine
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    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Again all you guys are doing is spreading rumors. None of you have first hand knowledge and are going off what other people say. Fact of the matter is they are either purposely trolling you or they say something happened to them when it didnt.

    Apparently, you like to troll yourself. Short of listing the account names here (which we are not allowed to do) I cannot provide you with a list of names though I have some. Get your head out....
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    darkrozes_rob16_ESO wrote: »
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    We fixed an issue where more Enlightenment was being given per day than intended. You will now gain one Champion Point worth of Enlightenment per day
    This one should be applied retroactively.

    Agree, this single day(or was it 2) has enabled people to have more then triple the cp of other people. It aint exactly fair.

    Triple ? 10 + CP/hour isn't really triple, its a lil bit moar


    Well I played quite abit (pvp)during the first and second day after 1.6 went live, I have 80 cp now. There are reports of people having 350+ cp already, so yes, my concern is valid.

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    Yeah; this is going to be worse than VR. Not so much in power creep; but more the fact that VR levels when they went up, only went up 2 levels and capped so the grinders would hit it fast, but slower people would catch up a little while later.
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    olsborg wrote: »
    darkrozes_rob16_ESO wrote: »
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    trimsic_ESO wrote: »
    We fixed an issue where more Enlightenment was being given per day than intended. You will now gain one Champion Point worth of Enlightenment per day
    This one should be applied retroactively.

    Agree, this single day(or was it 2) has enabled people to have more then triple the cp of other people. It aint exactly fair.

    Triple ? 10 + CP/hour isn't really triple, its a lil bit moar


    Well I played quite abit (pvp)during the first and second day after 1.6 went live, I have 80 cp now. There are reports of people having 350+ cp already, so yes, my concern is valid.

    YES ! whos says better, for the most part of the day it was 250cp, now its 350 ! Before tomorrow it will be 500 ...
    I love the "There are reports of people".
    70k in 8 minutes, thats what all who abused the crag grind aknowledge as the fastest. Roughly 50 minutes to get a cp. More like an hour with change of team, etc ...
    Four days 24/7 of grinding (which no one did ) = 96h. The max obtainable cp is 70+100. 170 that no one has. The best grinders publicly say that they have 110/120.



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    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    Again all you guys are doing is spreading rumors. None of you have first hand knowledge and are going off what other people say. Fact of the matter is they are either purposely trolling you or they say something happened to them when it didnt.

    There are streamers proving that exploits exist, they gathered more than a hundred CP in one week, this clearly shows the intended 1CP each 4 hours by ZOS isn't working / exploited by those said players.
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    trimsic_ESO wrote: »
    Do you remember 4/4/14? A week after the game was released, some people were VR14.

    Of course people won't have 3600 CP in a month or so (it will take months and months before it happens). But soon some people will get enough CP to be have a too important advantage over the masses. And there is only one reason for that: grinding. Some players have already 150+ CP just a few days after the CS was released.

    The gap grows and grows and grows because of:
    - CP is seen as yet another VR to reach whereas it is not, and therefore people grind, grind, grind
    - Normal activities in ESO such as PVP in Cyrodiil, or cleaning dungeon are not enough rewarding for the CS, so people grind, grind, grind
    - The grinding spots reward too much CP
    - Bugs of enlightenment

    There is a huge risk of a major game breaking issue, if nothing is done rapidly to stop the grinding behavior induced by the CS.

    Solution:
    - Killing a mob should reward a fair amount of XP for those who level up their VR, but should reward ZERO CP - none, nada
    - Increase CP earned in Cyrodiil
    - Increase CP earned in dungeons when killing a boss and when completing them
    - Increase CP for accomplishing the dailies
    - Increase CP for accomplishing the pledges

    In short:
    - Grant ZERO CP for killing a mob
    - Grant only CP for playing ESO normally
    - Adjust the CP curve so it remains in line with your original plans
    - Keep it balanced across all the activities BUT grinding on mobs

    If you don't do it quickly, many people will just stop playing the game. Until this is done, I suggest that you put the CP on hold.

    sorry to pop your bubble the only thing your idea leads to is people creating twink after twink GRINDING quest after quest.
    the problem is not the way you earn a CP - the problem lies within the power it grants and especially the breakingpoint passives are way to powerfull...
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  • SteveCampsOut
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    Smeag wrote: »
    I have 279 CP lol but the grind spot was fixed an hour or so ago. However whose to say there aren't other locations ;)

    So once again it's exploiting grinders ruining the game for the rest of us and proudly saying so!
    Apokh wrote: »
    Why do you guys not just quit crying and start playing the game? What do other players cp bother you? Perhaps some may have 250+ cp....and? Others dont. The cp system is nice, when enlightment is fixed just stfu und play or just quit when you cant stand other players being stronger, better equipped or ahead in progress... People who want to grind will always find a spot, and those not grinding will always cry about ppl grinding...

    Why don't you exploiters STFU? Nobody likes cheaters, especially when they're so stupid that they brag about it in an open forum and expect people to be accepting of them!
    Edited by SteveCampsOut on March 8, 2015 6:30PM
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  • jamesharv2005ub17_ESO
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    SteveCampsOut wrote: »
    Smeag wrote: »
    I have 279 CP lol but the grind spot was fixed an hour or so ago. However whose to say there aren't other locations ;)

    So once again it's exploiting grinders ruining the game for the rest of us and proudly saying so!
    Apokh wrote: »
    Why do you guys not just quit crying and start playing the game? What do other players cp bother you? Perhaps some may have 250+ cp....and? Others dont. The cp system is nice, when enlightment is fixed just stfu und play or just quit when you cant stand other players being stronger, better equipped or ahead in progress... People who want to grind will always find a spot, and those not grinding will always cry about ppl grinding...

    Why don't you exploiters STFU? Nobody likes cheaters, especially when they're so stupid that they brag about it in an open forum and expect people to be accepting of them!

    You ever think for a minute this guy is trolling you and doesnt have all those cp he claims to have?
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    We have had some people in our guild who earn a large amount of CP point had some removed.

    You get 1 CP point worth of enlightenment per day now and they are looking at caps (something like 10 cp per day)

    The few members who has 200+ CP points have some about 100 CP points removed but they are currently fighting this.
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    jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
    SteveCampsOut wrote: »
    Smeag wrote: »
    I have 279 CP lol but the grind spot was fixed an hour or so ago. However whose to say there aren't other locations ;)

    So once again it's exploiting grinders ruining the game for the rest of us and proudly saying so!
    Apokh wrote: »
    Why do you guys not just quit crying and start playing the game? What do other players cp bother you? Perhaps some may have 250+ cp....and? Others dont. The cp system is nice, when enlightment is fixed just stfu und play or just quit when you cant stand other players being stronger, better equipped or ahead in progress... People who want to grind will always find a spot, and those not grinding will always cry about ppl grinding...

    Why don't you exploiters STFU? Nobody likes cheaters, especially when they're so stupid that they brag about it in an open forum and expect people to be accepting of them!

    You ever think for a minute this guy is trolling you and doesnt have all those cp he claims to have?

    Isn't trolling against the Forum rules?

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    i do agree that things like daily quests should give the most CP, both in PvE and PvP.

    grinding should barely be the option that it is if you are going for pure speed for each level.

    it should be a option, but take at least 10x the time for each CP than doing a quest.

    the suggestion of having a CP multiplier for quests is definitly one ZOS should look into, as right now actually completing quests is not as preferable to doing individual fights over and over again.
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  • Surfinginhawaii
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    Smeag wrote: »
    I have 279 CP lol but the grind spot was fixed an hour or so ago. However whose to say there aren't other locations ;)
    Wow, I'm jealous :) .
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    Natjur wrote: »
    We have had some people in our guild who earn a large amount of CP point had some removed.

    You get 1 CP point worth of enlightenment per day now and they are looking at caps (something like 10 cp per day)

    The few members who has 200+ CP points have some about 100 CP points removed but they are currently fighting this.

    If that is true then that is ridiculous, it's ZOS's fault they were able to reach that point and should not be punished.
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    Surfinginhawaii wrote: »
    Smeag wrote: »
    I have 279 CP lol but the grind spot was fixed an hour or so ago. However whose to say there aren't other locations ;)
    Wow, I'm jealous :) .
    Don't believe these claims without any form of proof.
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    I did not have a vr14 on day one. My current cp total is 28.
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