Another Sorc nerf, ZOS please confirm

Troneon

Could not resist.

Troneon wrote: »

Sorcs reaction to their OPness being nerfed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFO4kUdX7q4

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Ikarus wrote: »

Stop whining. Nightblade has NO selfheal and NO shield. Are u seeing whining Nightblades in the forums?

Momentum is a self heal.

Jahosefat

Welp I guess you just aren't supposed to be able to make a viable sorc tank. There really should be a warning label on the class when it hits consoles "Will not be able to tank or heal groups; intended for solo questing, PVE magicka dps, and annoying people with streak".

Ikarus

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

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Ikarus wrote: »

Stop whining. Nightblade has NO selfheal and NO shield. Are u seeing whining Nightblades in the forums?

Momentum is a self heal.

trolol

1. sorc can use Momentum too

2. U wanna troll me? I think momentum provides u from dying in pvp? The only good selfheal is for alliance rank 10 and thats a lot of hard work.

Snit

Ikarus wrote: »

Stop whining. Nightblade has NO selfheal and NO shield. Are u seeing whining Nightblades in the forums?

Sorcs and NB's need to stop competing for third place at everything.

We know you guys have some issues, too. But saying, "At least we're not NB's" has limited value in a game with four classes.

Jahosefat

Ikarus wrote: »

Stop whining. Nightblade has NO selfheal and NO shield. Are u seeing whining Nightblades in the forums?

lol you must be new, just do a search on "cloak bug". The magicka NB are not happy but most of them have figured out they can hit 30k+ stambushes and so are hoping to fly under the OP radar.

Erock25

It is just funny to me that they knew Sorcs were being very vocal and they were telling us to 'just hold tight, we hear you, and we will address this shortly' and then proceeded to drop more nerfs on us in 1.6.5. Like it wasn't good enough to add the cast time to clannfear and ruin it ( also ruining the already bad volatile familiar) but they double dipped and wrecked Rebate as well. Without Rebate making these summon/unsummons get to a point where they are very low cost or free there was no reason to add the cast time.

Derra

Well according to a famous forum nb 14k crits on fragments are op. But he´s quite a special fella when i comes to bigotry.

Jujujitsu

I personally am GLAD that they added the cast time to the clanfear self heal mechanism. I posted before I thought this idea was not good and would only cause problems due to multiple button clicks, lag, and the possibility that your pet dies a couple of seconds before you need the heal ... it reminded me of how the surge heal could get used by a smaller DoT.

Now with the cast time added hopefully people will get a discussion going with the devs to come up with a better self heal option. I say again, if everyone thinks we are whining ... just give us the DK skill GDB. Rename it to Demon's Blood, or Elemental Infusion, or whatever other name you want. Problem solved at minimal man hours to ZoS.

Derra

Erock25 wrote: »

It is just funny to me that they knew Sorcs were being very vocal and they were telling us to 'just hold tight, we hear you, and we will address this shortly' and then proceeded to drop more nerfs on us in 1.6.5. Like it wasn't good enough to add the cast time to clannfear and ruin it ( also ruining the already bad volatile familiar) but they double dipped and wrecked Rebate as well. Without Rebate making these summon/unsummons get to a point where they are very low cost or free there was no reason to add the cast time.

Well they basically ensured that summons are now never used in pvp under any circumstance (and imho that is the intention here).

Taonnor

Ikarus wrote: »

Stop whining. Nightblade has NO selfheal and NO shield. Are u seeing whining Nightblades in the forums?

Yes! You!

Snit

Magicka sorcs are far better off with Conjured Ward + Your Favorite Resto Heal (I like Healing Ward). Just like the clannfear heal, it's two buttons. But this is faster, and it provides more healing.

Stamina sorcs should... just continue to slot Rally

Vis

Erock25 wrote: »

It is just funny to me that they knew Sorcs were being very vocal and they were telling us to 'just hold tight, we hear you, and we will address this shortly' and then proceeded to drop more nerfs on us in 1.6.5. Like it wasn't good enough to add the cast time to clannfear and ruin it ( also ruining the already bad volatile familiar) but they double dipped and wrecked Rebate as well. Without Rebate making these summon/unsummons get to a point where they are very low cost or free there was no reason to add the cast time.

Well said. Sorcs are mad at the moment because this is another betrayal from ZOS.

Derra

Snit wrote: »

Magicka sorcs are far better off with Conjured Ward + Your Favorite Resto Heal (I like Healing Ward). Just like the clannfear heal, it's two buttons. But this is faster, and it provides more healing.

Stamina sorcs should... just continue to slot Rally

Well tbh the only situation where it was really needed was in pve tanking. Thats where i´d used it. Now it´s completely wrecked for that purpose.

beautycutie87

Ikarus wrote: »

Stop whining. Nightblade has NO selfheal and NO shield. Are u seeing whining Nightblades in the forums?

Look around there is plenty of NB whining, and Sorc whining lol

Snit

Derra wrote: »

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Snit wrote: »

Magicka sorcs are far better off with Conjured Ward + Your Favorite Resto Heal (I like Healing Ward). Just like the clannfear heal, it's two buttons. But this is faster, and it provides more healing.

Stamina sorcs should... just continue to slot Rally

Well tbh the only situation where it was really needed was in pve tanking. Thats where i´d used it. Now it´s completely wrecked for that purpose.

Yes, I was considering it for the same reason. A heal that scales with health would be nice for tanking. But a heal with a long cast time isn't particularly useful when stuff is beating on you. I can't imagine Templar tanks get too excited about loading up on Healing Ritual

Jahosefat

Derra wrote: »

Well according to a famous forum nb 14k crits on fragments are op. But he´s quite a special fella when i comes to bigotry.

I saw a very good pvp NB claiming he could hit over 50k on a WB. And snipe can break 30k. So glad sorc got all these new stam abilities to make use of how strong medium armor is... oh wait. Sorcs aren't supposed to have any stam advantage either, sorry I forgot.

Emma_Overload

McDoogs wrote: »

Surge

Reduced the healing cooldown to 0.25 seconds from 1 second.



Not all nerfs, jeez you sorcerors are wicked whiney. Also 1.3 seconds is not that long for a 35% heal...

The 0.25 second cooldown was introduced several patches ago, and it makes no difference whatsoever.

ANY cooldown on Surge heals causes you to lose massive amounts of healing in situations where you are doing AOE damage against multiple enemies, all of whom are presumably trying to kill you!

The cooldown on Surge is a DISASTER for Sorcs because:

1) By reducing Sorc survivability against multiple mobs, it drastically reduces the amount of game content that can be completed by the individual player. Say goodbye to soloing instanced dungeons!

2) By forcing us to use clunky heals like the Clannfear, the cooldown destroys the "always be attacking" play style that Sorcs have been enjoying since ESO launched. Goodbye ElectroMage... hello ToggleMancer!

You can call us whiners if you want, but this issue is NOT going to go away. In fact, I predict the complaints will only grow louder once the majority of Sorcs have upgraded to 1.6!

sagitter

Like i said in the other thread, i don't know if this change is right, but the way it is in 1.6.4 is absolutly insane.With my build I could easy do solo some big bosses, like first boss of aetherian archive or veteran dungeons bosses. Need to test it with 1.3 secs of cast time, but i think the problem is not the cast time, but the fact that is costless. If you don't trust me, i say come right now in pts server with me , i'm sagitter there.

Vis

sagitter wrote: »

but i think the problem is not the cast time, but the fact that is costless. If you don't trust me, i say come right now in pts server with me , i'm sagitter there.

That's been fixed for you. They nerfed Rebate too.

o_0

Wow, what a kick in the nuts....poor sorcs Something makes me think the devs LARP and always got picked on by casters.

Jahosefat

Vis wrote: »

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sagitter wrote: »

but i think the problem is not the cast time, but the fact that is costless. If you don't trust me, i say come right now in pts server with me , i'm sagitter there.

That's been fixed for you. They nerfed Rebate too.

Yeah that whole thing got gutted, the sorcs using pets for dps probably would have preferred they never mess with the clanfear heal (cause now both pets have a cast time and a rebate nerf). It just seems they really don't have a good (or any) direction to diversify the class. We will probably just get strung along and a year from now we will still be seeing threads titled "Are sorc tanks viable?!". And no, they probably won't be.

c0rp

Regarding Crystal Fragments:

We also fixed an additional issue where this ability’s instant cast wasn’t proccing when casting Bolt Escape.

Yeah..you guys forgot about Encase.

Rydik

Lol, it restore 35% of max hp (dragon blood restore 30% of missed hp), its most powerfull selfheal, and sorcs still whine...

c0rp

Rydik wrote: »

Lol, it restore 35% of max hp (dragon blood restore 30% of missed hp), its most powerfull selfheal, and sorcs still whine...

It has a cast time and requires a weapon swap...ok. Ill trade you any day of the week. On top of that..its about the most unorthodox heal I could even imagine...

RinaldoGandolphi

The big deal nerf is the change to the Expert Mage Passive which increases our Storm Calling abilities costs significantly while giving us a nearly useless spell damage increase in return. Cost reductions are Additive The change to Expert Mage was the biggest nerf the Sorc class has ever taken, they quite literately took us out at the knees with that nerf.

If they need to fix anything, they need to put the cost reduction passive back on Expert Mage, that is the single biggest nerf this class has ever taken that has quite literally been a chop block to the class.

Respectfully, i please urge you, give us back out Expert Mage cost reduction, its vital to the viability of the class more then anything else, especially in pvp

Hypertionb14_ESO

Rydik wrote: »

Lol, it restore 35% of max hp (dragon blood restore 30% of missed hp), its most powerfull selfheal, and sorcs still whine...

technically, NBs have the biggest self heal in the game, and always have. the hp restore on Reapers mark is 60% of your max HP.

Dreyloch

Taonnor wrote: »

And what is with Dragon Blood of DK's? Why this not nerfed? Its the same amount of heal?!

. DK's heal is for 33% Of damage taken
That means if I'm missing 10k health, it will only heal for 3,333. Not 33% of my total health.Ya all need to play a toon before you start throwing around that nerf word~

o_0

All this arguing and complaining would stop if they never would have added a heal to Clanfear and just figured out a better method to give the class a self heal. Instead I think they started opening fortune cookies and picked the first word of each one to figure out how to "improve" the class.

olemanwinter

Snit wrote: »

Guardrail to guardrail we go.

That's the only thing Zos knows how to do. 11 months of Stamina based melee NB being gimpy compared to magica now followed by a relaunch that makes Magica Melee NB completely unplayable.

Guardrail to Guardrail.