Another Sorc nerf, ZOS please confirm
Maintenance for the week of March 17:
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – March 17
• Xbox: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – March 19, 6:00AM EDT (10:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EDT (13:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – March 19, 6:00AM EDT (10:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EDT (13:00 UTC)
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – March 17
• Xbox: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – March 19, 6:00AM EDT (10:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EDT (13:00 UTC)
• PlayStation®: NA and EU megaservers for maintenance – March 19, 6:00AM EDT (10:00 UTC) - 9:00AM EDT (13:00 UTC)
-
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So better make volatile familar pointless to use at all (it has been bugged since 1.4 and been unusable prior to that bc you scaled it down due to it being bugged before due to double explosion)?
If you´re going to do something about a skill don´t break it say we fix it later.Edited by Derra on March 3, 2015 6:59PM<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
Derrah - EP - Sorc - AvA 500 -
Snit✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The added cast time for Unstable Familiar was intended, and all morphs actually share the same cast time. That said, we are looking at potentially increasing the power of the Unstable Familiar to help even out the newly-added cast time.
Ask Templars how useful they find their own non-instant heals. I don't play one, but I have heard a fair bit about the issue
Snit AD Sorc
Ratbag AD Warden Tank
Goblins AD Stamblade1 -
McDoogs✭✭✭✭
I'm pretty sure you aren't fully understanding how it works or just haven't had a crit build capable of doing AOE dmg before then. 0.25s cooldown makes it so we don't get more powerful the more enemies we face, which was what the greatest bonus to crit surge was before.
Look at the global nerfs to resource pools and ult generation (not to mention the removal of miss chance debuffs), they don't want ANYONE to be powerful
0 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The added cast time for Unstable Familiar was intended, and all morphs actually share the same cast time. That said, we are looking at potentially increasing the power of the Unstable Familiar to help even out the newly-added cast time.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you please confirm whether the 25% (or maybe it was 20%) dmg increase on the Crystal Fragment morph when it instant procced is still there? It is not in the 1.6.5 patch notes and it was present in 1.6.4 PTS.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points1 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭And what is with Dragon Blood of DK's? Why this not nerfed? Its the same amount of heal?!
Isn't Dragon Blood based on health that is missing, while the Familiar heal is based on Maximum health?
Suppose that would make it the same amount of heal if Dragon Blood was being cast while at 0 HP though.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The added cast time for Unstable Familiar was intended, and all morphs actually share the same cast time. That said, we are looking at potentially increasing the power of the Unstable Familiar to help even out the newly-added cast time.
Thank you for clarifying. Glad the team is continually working on balance issues."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
1 -
Snit✭✭✭✭✭
✭
.25 seconds is fast enough that you won't notice a change. 1 second was pretty bad though, I'm glad that was fixed.
You've never used the skill if you think this is how it works. In AoE situations, which is where Crit Surge was most important, the healing has been cut by 75% or more. That cooldown means that all your simultaneous damage counts as only one strike.
It's even worse if a tiny dot tic eats the cooldown.Snit AD Sorc
Ratbag AD Warden Tank
Goblins AD Stamblade2 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ItsRejectz wrote: »
Exactly, not a single person who is crying has tried this skill yet. Well, they can cry all they want, because I'm personally looking forward to using it. Feel it's going to add a lot more options to my build
Some of us spent weeks testing on PTS. SOme of us resubbed to a game that was about to go B2P just so they could test on PTS. Some of us aren't happy with some of the changes the devs have made.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points4 -
Vis✭✭✭✭✭
✭
I'm pretty sure you aren't fully understanding how it works or just haven't had a crit build capable of doing AOE dmg before then. 0.25s cooldown makes it so we don't get more powerful the more enemies we face, which was what the greatest bonus to crit surge was before.
A lot of these fake sorcs are slow on the uptake. The class has been nerfed in major ways:
-Class skills have been directly nerfed
-Class passives have been directly nerfed
-LA armors have been directly nerfed
-Magicka weapons have been directly nerfed
-Stamina/Physical Weapons/MA have been buffed leaving sorcs further indirectly nerfed
Why the hate ZOS? Can we at least get a kiss after this violation?v14 Sorc Vae Exillis
v14 DK Costs
v14 NB 'Vis
v14 Temp Fiat Lux3 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you please confirm whether the 25% (or maybe it was 20%) dmg increase on the Crystal Fragment morph when it instant procced is still there? It is not in the 1.6.5 patch notes and it was present in 1.6.4 PTS.
Well if you´re getting an answer it will most likely be yes. I don´t think i would dare to come post that i was removed
<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
Derrah - EP - Sorc - AvA 500 -
Vis✭✭✭✭✭
✭
Isn't Dragon Blood based on health that is missing, while the Familiar heal is based on Maximum health?
Suppose that would make it the same amount of heal if Dragon Blood was being cast while at 0 HP though.
I'll trade you my 35% max health heal for your insta-cast cheaper costing health heal. Sound good?v14 Sorc Vae Exillis
v14 DK Costs
v14 NB 'Vis
v14 Temp Fiat Lux2 -
Lied✭✭✭
Don't like it? Then advocate for sorc fixes. Otherwise, keep your unproductive remarks to yourself.
There is absolutely nothing productive about complaining and being dramatic when you're not even suggesting what changes/fixes be applied. I requested a consolidated thread because the same people keep ranting about the same stuff in multiple threads, even in a thread with a dude saying "cool, a new heal".
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154473/awesome-change-for-sorcs
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154482/another-sorc-nerf-zos-please-confirm
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154384/farewell-sorc-class
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154485/enough-to-wait-sorcs-or-lf-grind-partners-who-want-to-rr-from-sorc
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154203/1-6-dks-passing-a-torch-to-sorcs
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154454/update-1-6-sorcerer-build-challenge
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154476/just-remove-the-heal-component-from-clannfear
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154503/exciting-times-for-sorcs
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154525/sorcs-in-1-6
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154528/hey-guys-v5-sorc-dps-here-lfg-vet-darkshade
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/154563/list-of-sorcerer-nerfs-as-of-patch-1-6-5@ZOS_GinaBruno Hey, we've been very patient. Where is that sit-down discussion about the sorc class you promised us weeks ago?
Were you referring to this?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1583272#Comment_1583272
Or something else?
Edited by Lied on March 3, 2015 9:58PM1 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭
I'll trade you my 35% max health heal for your insta-cast cheaper costing health heal. Sound good?
All you have to do is reroll dk <Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
Derrah - EP - Sorc - AvA 504 -
Sphinx2318✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The added cast time for Unstable Familiar was intended, and all morphs actually share the same cast time. That said, we are looking at potentially increasing the power of the Unstable Familiar to help even out the newly-added cast time.
Hey Gina, why not forget about Sorc QQ's and start thinking about how you're going to save the DK class!3 -
Vis✭✭✭✭✭
✭
There is absolutely nothing productive about complaining...
You are right about one thing, there is nothing productive about trying to communicate with ZOS via any medium. I understand you're giddy about having another class to ez-mode farm, but try to keep your enthusiasm down a bit.v14 Sorc Vae Exillis
v14 DK Costs
v14 NB 'Vis
v14 Temp Fiat Lux0 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sphinx2318 wrote: »
Hey Gina, why not forget about Sorc QQ's and start thinking about how you're going to save the DK class!
DK is doing top PVE DPS while also still being the best tank .... so right where they were before the patch.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points1 -
Vis✭✭✭✭✭
✭
I already have a v14 DK. So ez-mode I feel guilty playing him as my main.v14 Sorc Vae Exillis
v14 DK Costs
v14 NB 'Vis
v14 Temp Fiat Lux3 -
Exstazik✭✭✭✭
After 1.6.5 i will be glad to change my sorc on your DK.Sphinx2318 wrote: »
Hey Gina, why not forget about Sorc QQ's and start thinking about how you're going to save the DK class!
Already looking for grind partner.WAnt to join?
2 -
Kragorn✭✭✭✭✭
Care to explain why?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »The added cast time for Unstable Familiar was intended
Hasn't Eric destroyed Sorcs enough, can't he leave them alone?
4 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ItsRejectz wrote: »Sorry but I feel the heal now is a massive buff, 1.3 seconds is not long at all and we sorcs actually have heal options now without the need of resto staff. Ca t wait to get in and give it a go, going to 've on my bar for sure
For pve I can see this working ok'ish. But for pvp, 1.3 cast time is insanely long and you might aswell kill yourself before trying to cast anything with a cast time against capable oponenents.
PC EU
PvP only1 -
ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity Manager
@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you please confirm whether the 25% (or maybe it was 20%) dmg increase on the Crystal Fragment morph when it instant procced is still there? It is not in the 1.6.5 patch notes and it was present in 1.6.4 PTS.
Yes, it's still there, and the tooltip will reflect that information (it's 20%, by the way).4 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭
I'll trade you my 35% max health heal for your insta-cast cheaper costing health heal. Sound good?
Personally play Sorcerer and Nightblade, which heal are you looking to trade for?"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
0 -
Ryuho✭✭✭✭I realy enjoyed pokemon build in pvp during PTS testing.. with 70 CP invested was rly cool.. but with clannfear 1.3s cast time.. i am not sure it's still viable.. probably notThe Farron family team (EU)
sorcerer - Rubeus Farron AR31
templar - Selene Farron AR27
nightblade - Ryuho Farron AR25
stamplar - Nura Farron AR10
stamsorcerer - Kitty Farron AR14 (adopted member)
DK - Ryu Farron AR17
RETIRED
CU - next mmo2 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Yes, it's still there, and the tooltip will reflect that information (it's 20%, by the way).
Thank the eight!
And you ofc. My battered heart could use a little relief!<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
Derrah - EP - Sorc - AvA 501 -
Exstazik✭✭✭✭
mehh...it will be nerfed in 1.6.6....just wait
Edited by Exstazik on March 3, 2015 7:15PM1 -
olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dear @ZOS_GinaBruno , if the clannfear was ZOS' way of giving sorcs a selfheal, please go back to the drawing board. Any ability(specially heal) that requires a cast time of 1.3 seconds, is futile to use in pvp.
Yes, if you have the pet already summoned it may be fine, but I reckon 90% if the times that you actually have to heal you gotta spam it 2-3 times because when you go into heal-mode, youre looking to fill your hp to pretty much all healed.
This heal wont help much in pvp since anything with a cast time will be pointless to use againt capable oponenets, you'll get interrupted and killed faster then you can say "sorceror".
Thank you, and Id like to add im getting a little sick of sorcs constantly not being granted anything to bring us into balance with the other classes. Quite the contrary actually, all im seeing is nerfs or changes that doesnt do anything useful for us.
PC EU
PvP only1 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZoS believes heals with cast times are viable. Seeing the Templar spell "Healing Ritual." You are wasting your breathe. Just use a resto staff.Edited by Joy_Division on March 3, 2015 7:28PM1 -
Ikarus✭✭Stop whining. Nightblade has NO selfheal and NO shield. Are u seeing whining Nightblades in the forums?1
-
Vis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Soooo, @ZOS_GinaBruno Are we going to get any commentary about when we can expect meaningful improvements for sorcs?v14 Sorc Vae Exillis
v14 DK Costs
v14 NB 'Vis
v14 Temp Fiat Lux1
This discussion has been closed.