So I did a quick comparison...

Vis

DDuke wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Some of you are not doing the other end of the equation:

First off, these skills are not and should NEVER be balanced around 1v1s. In any X v X situation, no one is going to consider a shield a nuisance.

I disagree. Everything should be balanced around 1v1 first, and then see how it works in X v X.

See, that's a non-starter there. This game is an MMORPG. The R in there means role. That's right, you pick a role to excel at and fill a niche. Then you play with others (must be news to you) and use that role to make the group play more enjoyable.

Not everyone came to ESO to duel. In fact, us hardcore duelers are the minority. Hell, even I don't like dueling more than 20% of my time in-game. There are synergies and builds from different classes that should enrich the game. To distill all play to 1v1 balance is a gross oversimplification and removes a lot of the fun from others who also pve.

TheBull

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Maybe you should also point out that you put three legendary magicka cost reduction enchants on your sorc but didn't use the corresponding enchants on your NB.

Hahahahaha.

You made my day. Lovely.

Also he fails to mention that there is a way to scale dmg apart from max stat but for shields there is not.

I actually made a mistake, he is using the full Light armor passive bonus, sorc passives, breton passive and -15.8% reduction max champion bonus.

There *is* a champion point allocation that increases shield strength but that is besides the point.

I know next to nothing about NB abilities but I'm guessing that Surprise attack is not a staple attack that people are using as their primary damage ability and is more of a utility ability.

Soul Harvest is magic damage and not physical and thus doesn't receive nearly as many bonuses as a physical attack would.

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Maybe you should also point out that you put three legendary magicka cost reduction enchants on your sorc but didn't use the corresponding enchants on your NB.

Reducing the cost wont make them do anymore damage, so the ultimate results on time taken don't change.

Magicka damage ultimate on a Stamina NB isn't going to be as effective.

Maybe he should show how many attacks Flying blades would take.

Or maybe he should dodge roll the first attack which offbalances the sorc and gives him 10% bonus damage, then let the sorc bolt escape near him to give him the ability to break free and reduce the cost of all of his abilities by 80% for the next 8 seconds until the sorc guaranteed stuns him again to repeat the process. The Champion point bonuses towards a stamina build are so absurdly overpowered right now it really gives a caster nothing to look forward too after about 600 champion points are spent.

You should have just stopped with "I know next to nothing about NB abilities.."

AriBoh

Vis wrote: »

Wow, you answered my question about whether or not you are on pts. Yeah, it's not like that at all ... sadly.

If you'd actually bothered to read the thread you'd have seen that I'm EU and dont use the crappy Templates. But others that have beeon on this update are agreeing in more than just this thread.

Dracane wrote: »

You can't CC break forever as a mage. 3 times maybe and it's over. Just refresh your CC every 5 seconds and the mage will be gone. COME ONE BOY, they are soo easy to destroy if you're just using your abilities and time it right.

Apparently Sorcs cant use potions, who knew?

Dracane wrote: »

When it comes to full health Templars, I might agree.

Everything has a balance. Unlike stamina NBs.... who block forever, dodge roll forever, CC break forever and strike like an angry god. (This is the future with enough CPs)

Ah now it makes sense. All classes but sorcs that put their points into one stat are OP.

Dracane

DDuke wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Finally, my point?

Stop being a baby and crying nerf on every other person's class. People do not play this game so you can ez-mode two shot them and be your personal ego booster

(Poor NBs)

Also, NBs might be a lot of things ... but they are not poor. You need to get out and try it for yourself. I don't even play an NB on live and was winning duels against players my sorc could barely face.

Nightblades can be the most OP class if played right. There are ridiculously strong build with cloak and such things.

I died.

Sorry, your posts are just far too hilarious

I'm beginning to ha*e you to be honest -.- YOU are hilarious.
Have you seen Sypher with his NB caster, using cloak to strike or use it to cast spells with a cast time ? It's very clever and if played right, it's extreeemly strong. HE wrecks everyone and that was without proper gear in 1.6.1 .And this is only one way to use the benefits of the Nightblade.

Do me a favor: Never become a theorycrafter (because you are trying to become one as it seems) Just go out there and fight and meet the duel spots. But I'm warning you. You seem a "bit".... unexpirienced. You might fail, which will lead us to another ridiculous thread like this. Better stop it entirely.

DDuke

Dracane wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Finally, my point?

Stop being a baby and crying nerf on every other person's class. People do not play this game so you can ez-mode two shot them and be your personal ego booster

(Poor NBs)

Also, NBs might be a lot of things ... but they are not poor. You need to get out and try it for yourself. I don't even play an NB on live and was winning duels against players my sorc could barely face.

Nightblades can be the most OP class if played right. There are ridiculously strong build with cloak and such things.

I died.

Sorry, your posts are just far too hilarious

I'm beginning to ha*e you to be honest -.- YOU are hilarious.
Have you seen Sypher with his NB caster, using cloak to strike or use it to cast spells with a cast time ? It's very clever and if played right, it's extreeemly strong. HE wrecks everyone and that was without proper gear in 1.6.1 .And this is only one way to use the benefits of the Nightblade.

Do me a favor: Never become a theorycrafter (because you are trying to become one as it seems) Just go out there and fight and meet the duel spots. But I'm warning you. You seem a "bit".... unexpirienced. You might fail, which will lead us to another ridiculous thread like this. Better stop it entirely.

Oh sure, I must be unexperienced since I use more than one button to win fights

Keep these coming, we'll make a comedian of you yet.

Vis

Dracane wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Finally, my point?

Stop being a baby and crying nerf on every other person's class. People do not play this game so you can ez-mode two shot them and be your personal ego booster

(Poor NBs)

Also, NBs might be a lot of things ... but they are not poor. You need to get out and try it for yourself. I don't even play an NB on live and was winning duels against players my sorc could barely face.

Nightblades can be the most OP class if played right. There are ridiculously strong build with cloak and such things.

I died.

Sorry, your posts are just far too hilarious

I'm beginning to ha*e you to be honest -.- YOU are hilarious.
Have you seen Sypher with his NB caster, using cloak to strike or use it to cast spells with a cast time ? It's very clever and if played right, it's extreeemly strong. HE wrecks everyone and that was without proper gear in 1.6.1 .And this is only one way to use the benefits of the Nightblade.

Do me a favor: Never become a theorycrafter (because you are trying to become one as it seems) Just go out there and fight and meet the duel spots. But I'm warning you. You seem a "bit".... unexpirienced. You might fail, which will lead us to another ridiculous thread like this. Better stop it entirely.

Shhhh ...

He has a one dimensional agenda to nerf all classes that are not his at the moment. Don't confuse him with facts and information that does not fit his narrative.

Iyas

Quote from Dracane says everything:

"[...]
Love: That I have become a duel master suddenly."

I know why you defend your class

Dracane

Iyas wrote: »

Quote from Dracane says everything:

"[...]
Love: That I have become a duel master suddenly."

I know why you defend your class

Hey that was a few days ago I'm protecting those, who are in a disadvantage.
This here is not even meant to be a class discussion for me. I am only tired of reading DDuke's non-sense. He is trying to destroy Sorcs in each discussion. To be honest, I am not even sure what he is trying to do. Maybe he is trying to shorten my life time by making me angry.

Vis

I just don't understand people who can't be happy and enjoy the game until every other competing class/build has been nerfed to non-competitiveness. How many "OMG! OP! NERF XYZ!!!!" do you see me throwing out?

Dracane

Vis wrote: »

How many "OMG! OP! NERF XYZ!!!!" do you see me throwing out?

0 ? ^-^

Solanum

I saw a mentioning of Sypher with a Nightblade build.

Is it a crazy wild guess to assume this build will rely on a resto staff to create damage shields, perhaps in combination with the light armor active?

If this is not the case, I'd love to see his build.
If this is the case, it does kind of proof that damage absorption shields are pretty much the way to go?

Dracane

Solanum wrote: »

I saw a mentioning of Sypher with a Nightblade build.

Is it a crazy wild guess to assume this build will rely on a resto staff to create damage shields, perhaps in combination with the light armor active?

If this is not the case, I'd love to see his build.
If this is the case, it does kind of proof that damage absorption shields are pretty much the way to go?

No matter from which point of view: You must use damage shields as a light armor user to sustain. Or you're going to be 1 or 2 shotted.

Everyone else does not necessarily need it. Maybe at the beginning when 1.6 goes online. But after a few weeks, maybe months, they are able to block forever and can forget about damage shields and use the Magicka to heal themselves or such things.

But light armor users rely on damage shields. Or like Sypher: Simply cloak if danger is incoming (crystal shard or whatever)

Teargrants

So much QQ and wild accusations in this thread. Instead of getting into arguments about theory crafting, actually go on PTS and come back with videos to support your claims.

Because I can tell you stam NBs absolutely tear mag sorcs apart. Constant fear + shades depletes your stam, keeping shields up can't be done fast enough to mitigate all the physical burst dmg, and even when you do its a huge drain on resources while you do 0 dps. Rally + vigor + elude makes it very difficult to burst.

What I found was that outside of kiting at absolute max range, light armor sorc isn't viable against it because you die in seconds once you can't get your shields up (OOS). Heavy armor did much better against it.

When I get more duels I'll record and post vid.

Solanum

To me it seems, that with the current state of damage shields, light armor ironically enough provides the most survivability, while not sacrificing any damage.

Not to mention, that with damage shield, the offensive stat magicka, also serves as the defensive stat.

Much like stamina can be used for dodgerolls, except with a lot more utility, and you can nuke while you have a shield active, unlike while rolling at that time.

Darlgon

Lets see:

1. You have a full set of PURPLE end game dungeon gear.
2. You spent 3 plus years accumulation (for a normal users) of Champion Points.
3. You got all Skill Points available in game.
4. You used entirely glass cannon builds. No HP.

Do YOU see the problem a lot of people have with thinking any of this is a problem?

DDuke

Darlgon wrote: »

Lets see:

1. You have a full set of PURPLE end game dungeon gear.
2. You spent 3 plus years accumulation (for a normal users) of Champion Points.
3. You got all Skill Points available in game.
4. You used entirely glass cannon builds. No HP.

Do YOU see the problem a lot of people have with thinking any of this is a problem?

1. I have a full set of LEGENDARY (on both Sorc & the NB) end game dungeon gear (ok, jewelry was purple). Now, I'm assuming you're new to this game (or haven't hit end game yet), since you seem to think the end game dungeon gear is any good. Here's some info: wearing 7/7 Aether (not even Infallible) is not good. Pretty much any of the crafted sets are better, especially for PvP.
3. I got those Champion Points on the sorcerer for free for testing, just like I did with the stamina NB. What is your point?
4. Ehh... nope. I've got 88 more skill points with my Live character. Try again.
5. "Glass cannon", except that glass cannon never dies, as long as he spams shield button. Hmm... very contradictionary.


No, I really must say I don't.

DDuke

Now, I didn't find any real duels, because I kept getting hit by this:


But I did record some dmg shield cheesiness.
In this video, my template character is getting hit by two mages, an enemy player & 3 guards at the end, while purposefully jumping around in a puddle of Mage AoE. Zero potions used, first time I use dmg shields. Enjoy.

http://youtu.be/FGgAFK7a9xQ

I must say, I didn't feel particularly skillful while recording that video...

Now, I will predict the content of the next two Sorc replies below:

RoyJade

Mmmh. You haven't take any player controls, and you weren't able to perform any real dps. So… a sorc who do that is totally useless, and you weren't hit on your weakness.
And the other player don't attack you at all. I can easily survive against a pack of ncp too, without any skill needed. But against a good player, that's not the same thing.

Fatalyis

Solanum wrote: »

I saw a mentioning of Sypher with a Nightblade build.

Is it a crazy wild guess to assume this build will rely on a resto staff to create damage shields, perhaps in combination with the light armor active?

If this is not the case, I'd love to see his build.
If this is the case, it does kind of proof that damage absorption shields are pretty much the way to go?

I run a Magicka-based NB build, very similar to what Sypher has been running in PTS. I roll with 5 light / 2 heavy and yes, I use Harness Magicka + Healing Ward. Do I enjoy having to flip bars and cast them every few seconds....nope. But I don't have a choice. Without them, I would be dead within seconds...that's how weak Light Armor is...and I didn't even dump all my points in Magicka.

That being said, I have faced off with quite a few Sorcs and Hardened Ward is not as big of an issue as some would like to admit. In a 1v1 environment, I can put enough pressure on a Sorc (with damage and CCs) to get through his shield and land some solid blows....hell, I've killed most of the ones I've fought. That's just in a 1v1 environment. We can't be calling for nerfs from dueling experiences. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy dueling....but the pvp is AvAvA for a reason.

Ezareth

TheBull wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Maybe you should also point out that you put three legendary magicka cost reduction enchants on your sorc but didn't use the corresponding enchants on your NB.

Hahahahaha.

You made my day. Lovely.

Also he fails to mention that there is a way to scale dmg apart from max stat but for shields there is not.

I actually made a mistake, he is using the full Light armor passive bonus, sorc passives, breton passive and -15.8% reduction max champion bonus.

There *is* a champion point allocation that increases shield strength but that is besides the point.

I know next to nothing about NB abilities but I'm guessing that Surprise attack is not a staple attack that people are using as their primary damage ability and is more of a utility ability.

Soul Harvest is magic damage and not physical and thus doesn't receive nearly as many bonuses as a physical attack would.

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Maybe you should also point out that you put three legendary magicka cost reduction enchants on your sorc but didn't use the corresponding enchants on your NB.

Reducing the cost wont make them do anymore damage, so the ultimate results on time taken don't change.

Magicka damage ultimate on a Stamina NB isn't going to be as effective.

Maybe he should show how many attacks Flying blades would take.

Or maybe he should dodge roll the first attack which offbalances the sorc and gives him 10% bonus damage, then let the sorc bolt escape near him to give him the ability to break free and reduce the cost of all of his abilities by 80% for the next 8 seconds until the sorc guaranteed stuns him again to repeat the process. The Champion point bonuses towards a stamina build are so absurdly overpowered right now it really gives a caster nothing to look forward too after about 600 champion points are spent.

You should have just stopped with "I know next to nothing about NB abilities.."

Yes, all I know is know is that NBs and especially other classes have no issue breaking through all of my shields in the space of a single stun that if I don't have the stamina to break free of will result in my death. I'm not in a position to tell any NB how to play their class but I've met plenty of NBs who have no problem facing off against me in PTS where on live I could count the number of NBs I have issue with on one hand.

If any of you guys have played on PTS (before God-mode champion points) you'd know just how easy it is to burst down a sorc by draining his stamina unlike on live where a Sorc can go much further on a small amount of stamina.

Ace_SiN

RoyJade wrote: »

Mmmh. You haven't take any player controls, and you weren't able to perform any real dps. So… a sorc who do that is totally useless, and you weren't hit on your weakness.
And the other player don't attack you at all. I can easily survive against a pack of ncp too, without any skill needed. But against a good player, that's not the same thing.

I'm going to go solo some groups of vet mobs and show you just how OP my shields are in PvP. /sarcasm

Seriously though.. Can we get some real tests in here? 1v1 will NEVER be balanced in a game with a low skill ceiling(which eso has). Therefore, it must be balanced around group play(which takes way more skill than making the best "you can't kill me" dueling build).

TheBull

DDuke wrote: »

But I did record some dmg shield cheesiness.
In this video, my template character is getting hit by two mages, an enemy player & 3 guards at the end, while purposefully jumping around in a puddle of Mage AoE. Zero potions used, first time I use dmg shields. Enjoy.

http://youtu.be/FGgAFK7a9xQ

Pro right there.

Sharee

Dracane wrote: »

His theory is cute, but unrealistic. (Sorry, I am so tired of DDuke's pointless comments and his hating against Sorcerers)

In reality, this is totally different. A mage can break like 2-3 CCs, depending on how you time the 5 seconds immunity. After that, he is perma stunned and as soon as the shield is down, he is 1 or 2 shot.

You should do less testing on the paper, but should go out there and see, how it works in reality.

CC immunity after break free is 8 seconds, not 5. During those 8 seconds, you will get 4 ticks of stamina regen. CC break with arena set costs 336 stamina. That means, assuming you only use stamina for CC breaking, you need only 84 stamina regen to be able to CC break indefinitely.

If your stamina regen is only half of that (42) then you will lose 168 stamina each CC break cycle. If your character has 1500 stamina then you will be able to keep CC breaking for approx. 9 cycles before you are OOS and no longer able to break free. 9 cycles at 8 seconds per cycle means you are able to keep fighting without being perma-CC'd for 72 seconds. This assumes no potions are used and no external stamina sources are present(like picking up a templar blazing spear etc.).

Solanum

Fatalyis wrote: »

Solanum wrote: »

I saw a mentioning of Sypher with a Nightblade build.

Is it a crazy wild guess to assume this build will rely on a resto staff to create damage shields, perhaps in combination with the light armor active?

If this is not the case, I'd love to see his build.
If this is the case, it does kind of proof that damage absorption shields are pretty much the way to go?

I run a Magicka-based NB build, very similar to what Sypher has been running in PTS. I roll with 5 light / 2 heavy and yes, I use Harness Magicka + Healing Ward. Do I enjoy having to flip bars and cast them every few seconds....nope. But I don't have a choice. Without them, I would be dead within seconds...that's how weak Light Armor is...and I didn't even dump all my points in Magicka.

That being said, I have faced off with quite a few Sorcs and Hardened Ward is not as big of an issue as some would like to admit. In a 1v1 environment, I can put enough pressure on a Sorc (with damage and CCs) to get through his shield and land some solid blows....hell, I've killed most of the ones I've fought. That's just in a 1v1 environment. We can't be calling for nerfs from dueling experiences. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy dueling....but the pvp is AvAvA for a reason.

Now, can I ask you, why are you running with light armor?

Could it be, that with the use of damage shields, it's in fact still a superior choice to the other two armors?

Because I read you are not enjoying flipping back and forth between your shield bar and your real bar. Clearly though the power gained from such outweighs actually going with one of the other armors.

Fatalyis

Solanum wrote: »

Fatalyis wrote: »

Solanum wrote: »

I saw a mentioning of Sypher with a Nightblade build.

Is it a crazy wild guess to assume this build will rely on a resto staff to create damage shields, perhaps in combination with the light armor active?

If this is not the case, I'd love to see his build.
If this is the case, it does kind of proof that damage absorption shields are pretty much the way to go?

I run a Magicka-based NB build, very similar to what Sypher has been running in PTS. I roll with 5 light / 2 heavy and yes, I use Harness Magicka + Healing Ward. Do I enjoy having to flip bars and cast them every few seconds....nope. But I don't have a choice. Without them, I would be dead within seconds...that's how weak Light Armor is...and I didn't even dump all my points in Magicka.

That being said, I have faced off with quite a few Sorcs and Hardened Ward is not as big of an issue as some would like to admit. In a 1v1 environment, I can put enough pressure on a Sorc (with damage and CCs) to get through his shield and land some solid blows....hell, I've killed most of the ones I've fought. That's just in a 1v1 environment. We can't be calling for nerfs from dueling experiences. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy dueling....but the pvp is AvAvA for a reason.

Now, can I ask you, why are you running with light armor?

Could it be, that with the use of damage shields, it's in fact still a superior choice to the other two armors?

Because I read you are not enjoying flipping back and forth between your shield bar and your real bar. Clearly though the power gained from such outweighs actually going with one of the other armors.

To be honest, I might be better off going 7 heavy as a NB caster....but with the borked crafting (can't say that I ever really worked on Blacksmithing anyways) I can't test out any build with a full set of heavy Seducer + Magnus.

My issue on PTS is lack of Magicka regen and the fact that the template heavy armor is horrible (especially for magicka). You still get the superior passives from light armor, but it's just as effective as wearing a trash bag without the shields.

Fatalyis

Sharee wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

His theory is cute, but unrealistic. (Sorry, I am so tired of DDuke's pointless comments and his hating against Sorcerers)

In reality, this is totally different. A mage can break like 2-3 CCs, depending on how you time the 5 seconds immunity. After that, he is perma stunned and as soon as the shield is down, he is 1 or 2 shot.

You should do less testing on the paper, but should go out there and see, how it works in reality.

CC immunity after break free is 8 seconds, not 5. During those 8 seconds, you will get 4 ticks of stamina regen. CC break with arena set costs 336 stamina. That means, assuming you only use stamina for CC breaking, you need only 84 stamina regen to be able to CC break indefinitely.

If your stamina regen is only half of that (42) then you will lose 168 stamina each CC break cycle. If your character has 1500 stamina then you will be able to keep CC breaking for approx. 9 cycles before you are OOS and no longer able to break free. 9 cycles at 8 seconds per cycle means you are able to keep fighting without being perma-CC'd for 72 seconds. This assumes no potions are used and no external stamina sources are present(like picking up a templar blazing spear etc.).

This also assumes that you will not be randomly dodge rolling and/or blocking, sprinting to escape the falling meteor, as well as assuming that you've never PvP'd before.

DDuke

Ace_SiN wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

Mmmh. You haven't take any player controls, and you weren't able to perform any real dps. So… a sorc who do that is totally useless, and you weren't hit on your weakness.
And the other player don't attack you at all. I can easily survive against a pack of ncp too, without any skill needed. But against a good player, that's not the same thing.

I'm going to go solo some groups of vet mobs and show you just how OP my shields are in PvP. /sarcasm

Seriously though.. Can we get some real tests in here? 1v1 will NEVER be balanced in a game with a low skill ceiling(which eso has). Therefore, it must be balanced around group play(which takes way more skill than making the best "you can't kill me" dueling build).

Oh, so I'm not allowed to beat a shield spammer in 1v1, while in 1vX I'm required to use one to survive?


That sounds very balanced indeed...

How about just admitting there's a problem, when 75% of people use dmg shield abilities (even on Live), and when it's even worse on PTS?

Derra

DDuke wrote: »

Ace_SiN wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

Mmmh. You haven't take any player controls, and you weren't able to perform any real dps. So… a sorc who do that is totally useless, and you weren't hit on your weakness.
And the other player don't attack you at all. I can easily survive against a pack of ncp too, without any skill needed. But against a good player, that's not the same thing.

I'm going to go solo some groups of vet mobs and show you just how OP my shields are in PvP. /sarcasm

Seriously though.. Can we get some real tests in here? 1v1 will NEVER be balanced in a game with a low skill ceiling(which eso has). Therefore, it must be balanced around group play(which takes way more skill than making the best "you can't kill me" dueling build).

Oh, so I'm not allowed to beat a shield spammer in 1v1, while in 1vX I'm required to use one to survive?


That sounds very balanced indeed...

How about just admitting there's a problem, when 75% of people use dmg shield abilities (even on Live), and when it's even worse on PTS?

I was always under the impression that dodgeroll was incredibly powerful in terms of dmg mitigation against multiple people. Far more potent than shields (in fact i saw a video of someone dodgerolling the attacks of an entire raid for a good 20 seconds - try that one with shields). Seems like a fair tradeoff?

Edit: Actually thats a great idea. Balance shields for 1v1 (just flat 50% reduction would be fine) and balance dodgerolls against multiple people. You may only evade attacks of one players attacks all others will hit you. Seems fair to me

DDuke

Derra wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Ace_SiN wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

Mmmh. You haven't take any player controls, and you weren't able to perform any real dps. So… a sorc who do that is totally useless, and you weren't hit on your weakness.
And the other player don't attack you at all. I can easily survive against a pack of ncp too, without any skill needed. But against a good player, that's not the same thing.

I'm going to go solo some groups of vet mobs and show you just how OP my shields are in PvP. /sarcasm

Seriously though.. Can we get some real tests in here? 1v1 will NEVER be balanced in a game with a low skill ceiling(which eso has). Therefore, it must be balanced around group play(which takes way more skill than making the best "you can't kill me" dueling build).

Oh, so I'm not allowed to beat a shield spammer in 1v1, while in 1vX I'm required to use one to survive?


That sounds very balanced indeed...

How about just admitting there's a problem, when 75% of people use dmg shield abilities (even on Live), and when it's even worse on PTS?

I was always under the impression that dodgeroll was incredibly powerful in terms of dmg mitigation against multiple people. Far more potent than shields (in fact i saw a video of someone dodgerolling the attacks of an entire raid for a good 20 seconds - try that one with shields). Seems like a fair tradeoff?

Ahahah... no.

There's a period of time after dodge roll when you can take damage. Time your attacks right & you'll hit your target every single time.

Also, it suffers from the same kind of a bug as cloak does.
If you have multiple people attacking you & you decide to dodge roll, you evade only one or two attacks while the other 27 hit you & you're dead in a second, unable to do anything while in the dodge roll state, and any stamina build can attest to that.

That said, a skilled stamina build can avoid the attacks of one person by timing his/her dodge rolls to the opponent's attack rhythm (though it doesn't help against channeled abilities or DoT ticks).

Derra

DDuke wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Ace_SiN wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

Mmmh. You haven't take any player controls, and you weren't able to perform any real dps. So… a sorc who do that is totally useless, and you weren't hit on your weakness.
And the other player don't attack you at all. I can easily survive against a pack of ncp too, without any skill needed. But against a good player, that's not the same thing.

I'm going to go solo some groups of vet mobs and show you just how OP my shields are in PvP. /sarcasm

Seriously though.. Can we get some real tests in here? 1v1 will NEVER be balanced in a game with a low skill ceiling(which eso has). Therefore, it must be balanced around group play(which takes way more skill than making the best "you can't kill me" dueling build).

Oh, so I'm not allowed to beat a shield spammer in 1v1, while in 1vX I'm required to use one to survive?


That sounds very balanced indeed...

How about just admitting there's a problem, when 75% of people use dmg shield abilities (even on Live), and when it's even worse on PTS?

I was always under the impression that dodgeroll was incredibly powerful in terms of dmg mitigation against multiple people. Far more potent than shields (in fact i saw a video of someone dodgerolling the attacks of an entire raid for a good 20 seconds - try that one with shields). Seems like a fair tradeoff?

Ahahah... no.

There's a period of time after dodge roll when you can take damage. Time your attacks right & you'll hit your target every single time.

Also, it suffers from the same kind of a bug as cloak does.
If you have multiple people attacking you & you decide to dodge roll, you evade only one or two attacks while the other 27 hit you & you're dead in a second, unable to do anything while in the dodge roll state, and any stamina build can attest to that.

That said, a skilled stamina build can avoid the attacks of one person by timing his/her dodge rolls to the opponent's attack rhythm (though it doesn't help against channeled abilities or DoT ticks).

I have yet to meet someone that is able to hit the splitsecond in between dodgerolls reliably - ever.

Edit: I can´t even manage to switch my weapons reliably and that only requires client server communication no third party involved.
Also i´ve not experienced people hitting single target attacks through dodgeroll when attacked by multiple enemies. But maybe thats a thing zos has implemented to hold back stam players. It´s all a conspiracy to keep the stick&shirt guys at the top of the food chain.

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