How Long Does it Take You to Get a Champion Point?

DeathDealer19

Enodoc wrote: »

I've read through most of this thread; I just want to summarize what I think are being stated as the major issues, if someone would be good enough to confirm that I have understood properly:

• 400,000 XP per CP is too much
• 4x XP while Enlightened is too much
• PvP does not give enough XP (or CP should also come from AP)
• Crafting should give some XP (or CP should also come from Inspiration)
• Pickpocketing/Lockpicking should give XP

I don't know about crafting. that could lead to people just farming up millions of mats and boosting. id say give some xp but in a limited fashion for things like crafting. But 400k xp for 1 CP needs to be lowered a ton.

4x enlightenment is okay in my eyes. its the only way to get a cp right now

FordPrefect

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

I've read through most of this thread; I just want to summarize what I think are being stated as the major issues, if someone would be good enough to confirm that I have understood properly:

• 400,000 XP per CP is too much
• 4x XP while Enlightened is too much
• PvP does not give enough XP (or CP should also come from AP)
• Crafting should give some XP (or CP should also come from Inspiration)
• Pickpocketing/Lockpicking should give XP

I don't know about crafting. that could lead to people just farming up millions of mats and boosting. id say give some xp but in a limited fashion for things like crafting. But 400k xp for 1 CP needs to be lowered a ton.

4x enlightenment is okay in my eyes. its the only way to get a cp right now

Other very successful MMOs generate XP by harvesting/crafting. Lock picking already generates XP on treasure chests, and it gives more xp per chest than mob kills.

I agree that CP should be 200K per, enlightenment should be 2x (like rested XP in that same other MMO) and PvP should provide sufficient rewards to make it worthwhile.

Septimus_Magna

I think people will get bored pretty quickly if dungeons, trails, pvp and repeatable quests hardly give any XP. The CP gain per hour needs to be somewhat consistent whatever you're doing. If you gain 1 CP every 2 hours including enlightment it still takes a very long time to unlock the 120 CP passives. Total time is 2 hours * 3 constellations*120 points = 720 hours. For normal players who spend 20 hours per week in game this will take 252 days = 36 weeks. And this is assuming you spend all points in the same three stars.

I think some events should give a significant XP bonus like completing a dungeon/trail/dsa, succesfully taking/defening a keep and gaining AP. This way players are stimulated to do actual game content instead of farming the same mobs for some XP.

Darlgon

I have gained half a Champion level just running around "reappropriating" items from people in Windhelm and then doing about 10 dailys in Cyrodiil. Hate to think how quick it will be if I were actually grinding and trying.

Nazon_Katts

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom can we get a bit of clarification how exactly Enlightenment gain for CPs is supposed to work?

Do I understand correctly we gain Enlightenment worth of exactly 1CP at 12.00 (noon?) per day or is it 2 CP worth and twice a day at noon and midnight actually or something entirely different?

How many 'enlighted CP' can be stored that way and are there any caps or diminishing returns?

Feidam

The change does seem to make the dailies in Cyrodil more important.

So via my tests with enlightened it tok me about 1.5 hours of running delves looking for dwarves racial pages to get a point. Nobody else was in there with me. So all mobs were mine. I slaughtered everything. As I do this activity frequently it made sense to see what it would produce.So really that is not a bad rate.

Last night, without enlightenment got about 1 champion point for 4.5 hours of pve dungeons. We didn't skip any trash.

The previous night in pvp I didn't get a single champ point. However, there wasn't an real pvp going on. So until we can get some serious large scale pvp action going I won't be able to test this.

Created a templated character to do quests and the quest seems to net a lot more champion experience. In theory it will let the newer characters catch up once they start the VR zones.

Regardless, the point acquisition speed needs a lot more testing in my opinion to make sure the target average point accrual time for champion points is met.

seanvwolf

Grunim wrote: »

I was glad to see that when you gain a vet level and earn a champion point while under Enlightenment, the level veteran level up and the champion point gain doesn't kick you out of Enlightenment status. I wish there was a way to view how much Enlightenment time is left.

It isn't time based with the exception of replenishing Enlightenment to the max of 1.6 million each day.

This means if you gain 1.6 million (which does take a about 4 hours of consistently killing mobs) you'll gain 4 CP. I've confirmed this on my characters. I currently have 84 CP with about 2 of those earned outside of enlightenment and 12 of them earned with three days of focused grinding for 4 hours each day. If you don't use up your enlightenment before it resets, I don't believe it adds more enlightenment than 1.6 million, so it's a use or lose, which makes sense. If 4 hours have passed while enlightened, you will NOT lose your enlightenment. Not until you've gained 1.6 million enlightened CP a day.

Feidam

Yeah I played a long time yesterday and it took awhile to run out of enrightment.

Lykurgis

Crafting Daily quests on the PTS still only grant 499XP, why are other daily quests like the one in Cyrodill 4990 (or more)? Still at that rate if you did your dalies it would be such a small fraction of a level.

Feidam

Don't forget elightenment or all the mobs you kill as well. It adds up. Champion point gain is much faster while enlightened. Once you exhaust that then it slows down to prevent people from gaining tons of CP a day. I'm ok with this as I'm pretty sure we are not meant to max out the champion system within a week or month. It's there for long term development.

Lykurgis

Feidam wrote: »

Champion point gain is much faster while enlightened. Once you exhaust that then it slows down to prevent people from gaining tons of CP a day.

Ya, but this has the potential to create a new set of problems.

I fear this will create/encourage a new playstyle of only do any quests/grouping with enlightenment, and never without.

Example:
Player 1: Need 1 more for (daily dungeon/quest/trial), any role...hey you, player 2, will you come with us please?

Player 2: nah, not going to run any (insert dungeon/quest/trial) right now since I won't get enlightened XP for completing. Just going to pick flowers in Coldharbor, g/l on your run. Maybe i will run with you tomorrow before my enlightened bonus is spent.

So much for group play in an MMO.

In any event the 400k/CP level is still way too high and will only encourage the example above even more as people look to get their character power back to 1.5 values by min/maxing enlightenment bonus in the CP system.

Feidam

Lykurgis wrote: »

Feidam wrote: »

Champion point gain is much faster while enlightened. Once you exhaust that then it slows down to prevent people from gaining tons of CP a day.

Ya, but this has the potential to create a new set of problems.

I fear this will create/encourage a new playstyle of only do any quests/grouping with enlightenment, and never without.

Example:
Player 1: Need 1 more for (daily dungeon/quest/trial), any role...hey you, player 2, will you come with us please?

Player 2: nah, not going to run any (insert dungeon/quest/trial) right now since I won't get enlightened XP for completing. Just going to pick flowers in Coldharbor, g/l on your run. Maybe i will run with you tomorrow before my enlightened bonus is spent.

So much for group play in an MMO.

In any event the 400k/CP level is still way too high and will only encourage the example above even more as people look to get their character power back to 1.5 values by min/maxing enlightenment bonus in the CP system.

Maybe. I doubt enlightenment is going to stop people from doing what they have to to get the stuff required to continue their characters development. Are you going to stop doing things to get gear? Or make money? Helps your friends or guildies? While I'm sure some folks would behave that way I think those people will be the the fringe edges of the community.

Edit. I could see people switching to an alt that has enlightenment though. That will be more likely imo.

Lionxoft

Tyr wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys! For those who feel like the time it takes to gain a Champion Point is too slow, can you let us know exactly where you were playing (which dungeon, questing area, etc)? Thanks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌
Cyrodiil. 44+ hours and 2 points earned. Top 5 on the leaderboards. Fix it please.

It takes 30 minutes to do 20 dailies in cyrodiil which will get you 1 CP if you're enlightened.

"Hold on guys. I'll be back to PvP in a bit. Going to go PvE to get some champion points."

Yeah, that's a great idea said no one ever.

cschwingeb14_ESO

The 4x enlightened bonus is pretty effective as a time-gate to CP. I actually think that they need to keep it in the game, otherwise people will just grind their assess off and make a few hundred CP in a week.

However, 1 CP a day of enlightened is way too low. IMO, 30 min of grinding (quest or mob) should provide 1 CP with enlightened. And there should be 2-3 CP of enlightened per day. This would support casual progression that's noticeable

XP gain for PvP kills needs to go 3x or 4x

Crafting quests need to change to be a vehicle for xp gain....I don't know much about them though. You can't give xp for just crafting items though. AFK leveling would be so bad

Max enlightened that can be stored needs to be clarified

FordPrefect

There's a korean grinder called Rappelz, which has an Enlightenment type mechanic, called Stamina. They also sell in their cash shop "Stamina Savers", which will grant 100 Stamina, and prevent any stamina loss for 1 hour.

I see this in our future. "Enlightenment Elixirs" - 100 Enlightenment and no loss for 1 hour. only 80 crowns each, or 5 for 300.

Berinima

FordPrefect wrote: »

There's a korean grinder called Rappelz, which has an Enlightenment type mechanic, called Stamina. They also sell in their cash shop "Stamina Savers", which will grant 100 Stamina, and prevent any stamina loss for 1 hour.

I see this in our future. "Enlightenment Elixirs" - 100 Enlightenment and no loss for 1 hour. only 80 crowns each, or 5 for 300.

ZOS would never do such a thing! They would only sell convenience ite... Wait what? Ahhhhhh, I see what they did there!

Ok, seriously... That's what I am assuming too. We'll find out in a couple of hours when the store opens. Or if they are really clever they are holding that one item back to when the patch goes live.

If they have that crap in the store that's borderline pay 2 win and I am out. And so are many others I am assuming.

Feidam

I think, not sure, but I think we've been getting 3 to 4 cp worth of enlightenment a day. I would love to know the actual number.

I don't think it rolls over the next day either. I think it might be a use it or lose kind of thing. Some clarification would be nice.

Pyatra

Lionxoft wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys! For those who feel like the time it takes to gain a Champion Point is too slow, can you let us know exactly where you were playing (which dungeon, questing area, etc)? Thanks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌
Cyrodiil. 44+ hours and 2 points earned. Top 5 on the leaderboards. Fix it please.

It takes 30 minutes to do 20 dailies in cyrodiil which will get you 1 CP if you're enlightened.

"Hold on guys. I'll be back to PvP in a bit. Going to go PvE to get some champion points."

Yeah, that's a great idea said no one ever.

WTH? More like "Sorry guys, can't run trials with you, gotta go to PVP and grind dailies." 30 minutes enlightened is faster than spellscar enlightened. Quick, Everyone into PVP for PVE quests!

LonePirate

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

Daily quests in Cyrodiil at one spot : about 1 CP

This is incorrect. For an enlightened VR14, each Cyrodiil city daily quest offers just under 20K in XP. Once you throw in the XP from the mobs, 10 city quests will put you over half way to a CP. You need to complete the dailies for two of the five city hubs to gain a CP.

Many, many months ago, the XP from the Cyrodiil city quests scaled with you level. They offered more XP for a VR8 than for a VR3, for instance. I do not know if that is still the case, though.

Nazon_Katts

Feidam wrote: »

I think, not sure, but I think we've been getting 3 to 4 cp worth of enlightenment a day. I would love to know the actual number.

I don't think it rolls over the next day either. I think it might be a use it or lose kind of thing. Some clarification would be nice.

Well, yeah, reports do indicate anything between 4 CPs Enlightenment/Day and none at all. So there might be something wrong with the system, if it unequally bestows Enlightenment, tho that's kinda hard to tell, as long as we do not know how the system is supposed to work in detail.

Pyatra

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

Feidam wrote: »

I think, not sure, but I think we've been getting 3 to 4 cp worth of enlightenment a day. I would love to know the actual number.

I don't think it rolls over the next day either. I think it might be a use it or lose kind of thing. Some clarification would be nice.

Well, yeah, reports do indicate anything between 4 CPs Enlightenment/Day and none at all. So there might be something wrong with the system, if it unequally bestows Enlightenment, tho that's kinda hard to tell, as long as we do not know how the system is supposed to work in detail.

In most games they have a little bar on your character sheet that shows the equivalent of enlightenment. They should add that.

Feidam

another problem is with the perception of the player. I went in thinking I'd get a couple of points a day and so far it seems roughly on target.
I thInk some players were expecting a much faster acquisition rate than they are able to achieve via constant grinding.

With the massive system overhaul something definitely be amiss. The ability to see how much enlightenment you have would be appreciated.

NukeAllTheThings

Feidam wrote: »

another problem is with the perception of the player. I went in thinking I'd get a couple of points a day and so far it seems roughly on target.
I thInk some players were expecting a much faster acquisition rate than they are able to achieve via constant grinding.

With the massive system overhaul something definitely be amiss. The ability to see how much enlightenment you have would be appreciated.

Fair point. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I came into this with very few expectations. Unfortunately, I found that my characters have taken a few steps back with that progress put into the Champion system. Since, I am going to have to "re-earn" my power and no new content to play, the speed at which I get those CP's have become a focus. I am going to have to grind quests I have already done multiple times, dungeons/trials I have already done multiple times and farm mobs just to get back to a similar state I am in on the live server.

Had there been new content then I wouldn't be as frustrated because at least I get something out of it. At the moment I only lose something and have to spend hours upon hours getting it back.

Nazon_Katts

Pyatra wrote: »

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

Feidam wrote: »

I think, not sure, but I think we've been getting 3 to 4 cp worth of enlightenment a day. I would love to know the actual number.

I don't think it rolls over the next day either. I think it might be a use it or lose kind of thing. Some clarification would be nice.

Well, yeah, reports do indicate anything between 4 CPs Enlightenment/Day and none at all. So there might be something wrong with the system, if it unequally bestows Enlightenment, tho that's kinda hard to tell, as long as we do not know how the system is supposed to work in detail.

In most games they have a little bar on your character sheet that shows the equivalent of enlightenment. They should add that.

The question isn't really if, but how. The only thing I remember reading from an official source was that it's supposed to refresh every day at 12.00, but can't find any more details on it (nor the reddit post, where the above was stated).

Mantic0r3

My biggest problem with all this is that if I want to get any cp at all i need to grind/do cyro dailies with enlightened up, anything else like crafting/dungeons/trials/pvp doesnt give enough, same if u r not enlightened.
So either you do the most boring stuff ingame and actually get cp/stronger or you have fun and fall behind -.-

Leading to a power difference which will most likely end with you stop playing the game as u get wrecked in pvp by those grinders or dungeon/trial grps add something like this "lf 1 heal with >100cp for sanctum"

Snit

If the CP Endgame is "Dailies," I'm done. That's when your hobby has turned into chores.

Syntse

Snit wrote: »

If the CP Endgame is "Dailies," I'm done. That's when your hobby has turned into chores.

You're already making it a chore it seems. Must get CP. Is anyone actually going to just play the game and maybe get some CP on the side while they do what they like? Seems not.

Grileenor

Easy. CPs are mere cosmetic. 0.1% of something is not worth working for. Just play the game. If a point comes up, spend it. Don't work for it or you will get angry anyway. The champion system offers not much but looks. Looks great, eh?

Joejudas

Syntse wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

If the CP Endgame is "Dailies," I'm done. That's when your hobby has turned into chores.

You're already making it a chore it seems. Must get CP. Is anyone actually going to just play the game and maybe get some CP on the side while they do what they like? Seems not.

Because exp from trials and PvP isn't nearly what it should be and alot of us already did the quests. So your idea is sound it just doesn't work for alot of us. We will be required to grind to stay competitive

Mantic0r3

Grileenor wrote: »

Easy. CPs are mere cosmetic. 0.1% of something is not worth working for. Just play the game. If a point comes up, spend it. Don't work for it or you will get angry anyway. The champion system offers not much but looks. Looks great, eh?

if only that were true...instead it increases the effected stats by ~25%