According to someone with "friends" in ZoS, ESO is going B2P. Announcement next week apparently.

Faugaun

rylixav wrote: »

Voodoo wrote: »

TSW is doing good with players buying the new content updates. (DLC).

And you know this how exactly? Has the company made sales figures public?

This is the problem with all the hype about F2P (and B2P which is the exactly same thing even though no one appears to realize it). No company ever releases sales figures to substantiate the claim. They just say "yeah things are going great," and everyone takes the statement at face value.

Tsw is made by a publically traded company, you can read their quarterly reports to investors.

Faugaun

DaniAngione wrote: »

Mordria wrote: »

Updated Friday! Good enough for me!

Hmmmm, but why was it updated Friday if the information is pretty much what we had before, huh??

Maybe... just maybe... some intern edited it with "Yes, the game is going F2P!" and then they quickly edited it back... Hmm? Hmmmmmmmmmmm???

DOOMSAYING INCREASED TO 26

I suspect this is why:

All the prices for European countries are indicated based on a 20% VAT. Please note that, from January 1st, 2015 on, the VAT will be applied on a per-country basis, and that the rates will differ according to the local rates.

Bloodystab

Funcom had relation with EA - can this lead to anything good?

wiz12268b14_ESO

Its an obvious troll post but since the site is basically unusable right now that post is receiving the desired results, and thats why it hasnt been locked yet.

Joejudas

This post should also get adminkillhammered

Akhratos

I have a friend working in Coca-Cola.

He says the secret ingredient is kwama ***.

More news next week when the eBay kwama arrives home.

BigM

ROFL, you guys don't get it? He just replaced F2P with B2P and is sitting back watching ESO spread like wild fire across the NET. Keep it up it is GREAT advertising.

Ohioastro

A free 30 day trial for returning players on console release is a lot more likely and would fit with the "rumor".

Elsonso

roltus wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

The only reason I can half way believe it is because ZOS is normally pretty good about squashing ridiculous tinfoilhat theories before they spread like wildfire. The fact that there isn't a dev forum post, that I can find, that completely debunks B2P/F2P, tells me that it is not off the table.

Well, since this was updated Friday, it could be taken as an answer.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/179

The EU apparently changed some sort of VAT thingy-ma-bob that requires Zenimax to change how much they bill people in EU. They have been going through all of the knowledge base items and adding words as a result of this change. They started editing them on 12/30/2014 and they have gone back and picked up documents that they missed since then.

This is the reason for the edits this week to number of documents related to subscriptions.

They seem to constantly update these, which is good. Sadly, that means that they cannot be used to predict future actions. They can be used, however, to clarify the current situation, which is why I pointed them out.

As to the statement that ZOS does a good job quashing rumors, I do have to ask what ZOS is being referred to here. F2P statements and rumors have been floating around since launch, each spawned by various events in, and out of, the game. Since launch, no ZOS employee or representative has uttered a single word that affirms or refutes these rumors.

Is this time different?

Forums are like flocks of birds and this rumor would have probably died down by now, were it not for the unrelated excitement about EB Games.

The EB Games thing would be largely dead for next week, were it not for the mysterious announcement coming up next week.

I do not wish to make any statement regarding whether I think F2P/B2P is going to be announced in January. That said, I do want to point out that it certainly appears that "someone" is very interested in keeping this rumor alive and well. Likely several someones acting independently, but with a common agenda.

Oh, and the mysterious announcement? Of course there is going to be an announcement next week. There is an ESO Live next Friday. It does not take a psychic, or a secret source in ZOS, to predict that there will be an announcement.

I also want to point out that these rumors are not all pointing in the same direction. There is only one answer that will end up being true, and so far no one single answer is fully supported by all of the rumors and facts. Someone is going to be wrong. Best to claim your middle ground now so you can declare that you were right no matter which way things turn out.

nerevarine1138

I, too, have a friend working at ZO. They tell me that they're actually shutting everything down and turning this in to Fallout Online tomorrow.

In short, stop posting this utter garbage, and learn to be skeptical about trolls.

Elsonso

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I, too, have a friend working at ZO. They tell me that they're actually shutting everything down and turning this in to Fallout Online tomorrow.

In short, stop posting this utter garbage, and learn to be skeptical about trolls.

On a more serious note, my hope with ESO is that a successful ESO could result in an open world Fallout MMO from ZOS. I doubt I am alone in this thought.

As much as I like ESO, I would definitely reserve some time for a well implemented subscription Fallout MMO.

Artemiisia

the OP reminds me so much of this clip

its in the book





if its written it must be true !

TehMagnus

B2P is fine. As long as you don't have to pay to get stuff in game is all gud.

tplink3r1

magnusnet wrote: »

B2P is fine. As long as you don't have to pay to get stuff in game is all gud.

If you think 1 update every 6 months is fine...

Paske

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fqcn_TPu4qQ

EDIT: Also DMKano dislikes ESO on a whole new level.
To part of it being unhealthy.

TehMagnus

tplink3r1 wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

B2P is fine. As long as you don't have to pay to get stuff in game is all gud.

If you think 1 update every 6 months is fine...

Many P2P video games work like that and deliver major content patches every 6 months which is most of the time less buggy. This allows devs to breathe more and make better quality work. Short 2 months dev cycles is very tiresome and isn't good for quality .

OFC I like having updates often, but big updates every 6 months with extension to main quest (solo content), a new zone with quests and a couple of new end game instances would be very nice as well IMO .

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

These B2P and P2P games are all the same. You work your ass off for something and little johnny with mom's credit card can get it in 2 seconds. Thats why I am so happy Zenimax is NOT going that route.

Paske

magnusnet wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

B2P is fine. As long as you don't have to pay to get stuff in game is all gud.

If you think 1 update every 6 months is fine...

Many P2P video games work like that and deliver major content patches every 6 months which is most of the time less buggy. This allows devs to breathe more and make better quality work. Short 2 months dev cycles is very tiresome and isn't good for quality .

OFC I like having updates often, but big updates every 6 months with extension to main quest (solo content), a new zone with quests and a couple of new end game instances would be very nice as well IMO .

Plese name 3 F2P MMOs that work in this manner.

Considering I have played AOC, SWTOR and Rift before and after F2P conversion.

Its an amazing experience - would you like skills - 5$, would you like skill bars - 3$, would you like new content that we put out after 6 months - 20$ ... etc.

Ofcourse you can subscribe. In which case you only pay 20$ for content every 6 months.

And its mostly bug free because it can hardly be described as content.

Lord_Kreegan

I have a little birdie that tells me things about ZOS...

It's in a cage by the front door. When they forget to change its paper, it leaves little white stuff on the old paper shaped in secret symbols to form a code that only I know.

You wouldn't believe what that canary tells me...

Elsonso

magnusnet wrote: »

B2P is fine. As long as you don't have to pay to get stuff in game is all gud.

Welcome back.

You realize that B2P, so long as you don't have to pay to get stuff in the game, is not a financial improvement over today, right? It is wonderful for the consumer. Not so much for the company.

From a revenue perspective, there is no difference between P2P where someone buys the game and does not subscribe, and B2P where someone buys the game and does not pay anything to play.

Ultimately, a game goes to a Free model when they think that more players paying less money, average, will generate as much, or more, revenue than fewer players paying a subscription. They counter shortfalls by having expenses less than revenue, over the long term.

So, there is no way that any investor in Zenimax is going to get excited about a Free plan where in-game content is not monetized. The shareware model, on this scale, does not work. People will not donate money to ZOS, in the form of plushies, t-shirts, or even inconsequential pets and mounts, in enough quantity to make up the difference. In a simple B2P model, they will have to paywall parts of the game in order to make sure that the average amount of money spent by the players totals at least what they were getting from the subscriptions.

tinythinker

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I, too, have a friend working at ZO. They tell me that they're actually shutting everything down and turning this in to Fallout Online tomorrow.

Will it have the *SPLAT* ability for PvP?

skillastat

B2P ... F2P ...

whatever, if it's not P2P I'll quit.

SantieClaws

Thing is until ZOS themselves confirm or deny this then there is nothing we can do. So why are we tying ourselves in knots worrying about it? They will do whatever they want to do no matter how much we rant and rage and shout about it. This isn't a decision about game design. The people who decide on payment models don't come here and they don't care what we think and they have probably never spent a minute actually playing the game. Whatever they do then we and all the dev team too just have to deal with it at the time.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

Thing is until ZOS themselves confirm or deny this then there is nothing we can do. So why are we tying ourselves in knots worrying about it? They will do whatever they want to do no matter how much we rant and rage and shout about it. This isn't a decision about game design. The people who decide on payment models don't come here and they don't care what we think and they have probably never spent a minute actually playing the game. Whatever they do then we and all the dev team too just have to deal with it at the time.

ZOS confirmed months ago they would never go f2p. In fact they said they would close ESO before doing that. So until I hear anything different (not rumors) then thats that.

Nazon_Katts

Well, since this thread isn't locked yet, it cannot be rumors nor conspiracy theories, as that would be clearly against the board's rule and require it to be moderated. So this thread is not against any forum rules and therefore must be true.

timidobserver

roechacca wrote: »

For the OP at request:

Conspiracy Theories and Misinformation: We do not tolerate the deliberate and malicious spreading of false info or conspiracy theories about ZeniMax Online Studios, its game(s), or its employees. This does not include honest mistakes; rather, this rule pertains to those who go out of their way to spread harmful or malicious rumors about ZeniMax Online Studios and its employees, or The Elder Scrolls Online.

Source : Community Rules

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/60843/community-rules

Exactly, which makes you wonder why this isn't closed if it is a conspiracy theory or misinformation.

Maximis_ESO

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

Thing is until ZOS themselves confirm or deny this then there is nothing we can do. So why are we tying ourselves in knots worrying about it? They will do whatever they want to do no matter how much we rant and rage and shout about it. This isn't a decision about game design. The people who decide on payment models don't come here and they don't care what we think and they have probably never spent a minute actually playing the game. Whatever they do then we and all the dev team too just have to deal with it at the time.

ZOS confirmed months ago they would never go f2p. In fact they said they would close ESO before doing that. So until I hear anything different (not rumors) then thats that.

I was just wondering where they said that they would close ESO before going F2P. I know that they are firm against going F2P but I'm just curious where they said they would close ESO before doing it. Trust me, I don't want B2P or F2P or any of that garbage but I'm jus curious.

Tamanous

The only issue ZO needs to resolve for pc at least is the problem with accessibility for new players. A sub is a very hard barrier against those simply wanting to try the game out before deciding on purchase. The problem with this is they also want players to buy the game itself and trials complicate things especially on consoles.

The number 1 factor to why I have yet to have a rl friend join this game is because at our age everyone is committed to family and jobs and buying a game and a sub just to trial a game they are not sure they want to play is not an option. Every single person I know prefers subs to f2p as well. This still does not resolve the mentioned issue.

Whatever changes are made once console release is confirmed I can't see the sub going away but I certainly can see a change to accessibility and flexibility in game play. I wonder if ZO will still feel confident in saying they stuck with subscription if still implementing other hybrid options.

I will never believe a company will stick with existing promises. No company can be that inflexible to changing markets. ZO can change everything tomorrow if they like. Obviously consequences exist but that is the nature of business.

xMovingTarget

One sentence :

Illuminati is real apparently

You shouldnt believe all the crap some random dude in the Internet tells you. I doubt ESO will go F2P or whatever soon.

Tamanous

xMovingTarget wrote: »

One sentence :

Illuminati is real appereantly

You shouldnt believe all the crap some random dude in the Internet tells you. I doubt ESO will go F2P or whatever soon.

DMKano did not spawn this debate. His post already followed the spark that started this issue. It simply added fuel to the fire. It is either true in some way or he is trolling. This is the nature of rumors. The fault is with those continuing perpetuate it.

My interest is strictly with why this fire has built and little to do with whether the rumor is true. That is a valid debate. To support either side of the rumor like your post is doing is the problem.

This is no problem for ZO though. Fanboi and Hateboi passion is nothing but free advertising. This passion can hurt a game but only if the developer itself makes an unforgivable mistake. ZO currently is sticking to their promises so internet freak outs are little more than free advertising.