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ZOS: When does the 6 month subscription return?

  • Nazon_Katts
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    Think you'll know in 3-6 months time.
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  • RazielSR
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    Think you'll know in 3-6 months time.

    Yeah...great. Im gonna sleep now.
  • Nazon_Katts
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    RazielSR wrote: »
    Think you'll know in 3-6 months time.

    Yeah...great. Im gonna sleep now.

    Probably the best course of action. There's no better answers to be given around this place.
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  • Govalon
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    Guppet wrote: »

    Just out of curiosity is "Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn" free to play on the PS4 or XBone?

    No and if there is a game you can trust to NEVER become f2p, it is that one. Developers have stated that they rather shut the servers down than taint SquareEnix's reputation with f2p stigma. Honor is a big deal in Japan. Their first MMO, final fantasy 11 has been running for something like 10 years and is still running. Still not f2p.
  • SantieClaws
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    I thought Zenimax and Bethsoft were private companies and didn't have to answer to shareholders in the same way? Sure I recall someone saying that.
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  • WhiskyBob
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    Ok not shareholders but investors ( Providence Equity Partners, ProSiebenSat.1 Media). Still. They have obligations.
    Edited by WhiskyBob on December 23, 2014 12:09PM
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  • Weberda
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    I thought Zenimax and Bethsoft were private companies and didn't have to answer to shareholders in the same way? Sure I recall someone saying that.

    It is a private holding but they have investors that need to see a ROI which makes them akin to shareholders in a public company.

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  • Rosveen
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    I thought Zenimax and Bethsoft were private companies and didn't have to answer to shareholders in the same way? Sure I recall someone saying that.
    They are.They aren't obligated to reveal their financial statements to the public and don't need to focus on short-term results to keep their stock value up - but unfortunately, it doesn't mean there's no one in the company pressuring for those results. At the end of the day, private and public companies just want to make money.

    We'll see what comes out of it. I must admit it makes me a little sad that all these things are cropping up right now. Maybe I should get off the forum and forget it exists till January...
  • Guppet
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    WhiskyBob wrote: »
    Ok not shareholders but investors ( Providence Equity Partners, ProSiebenSat.1 Media). Still. They have obligations.

    They are an Incorporated company in the US and the European branch Zenimax Europe Ltd is a private limited company.

    They don't have to file accounts in the states, but they sure do in the UK. Lets just say that while 2013 was not the best year for them (they posted a loss of 36%, ouch, that's probably exceptional items and im not that bothered that im going to find out what they were), they have enough resources that free to play should not be on the cards any time soon.
  • Winnower
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    Oh well.

    I guess I can afford to care less about the championship points screw-up, the ultimate rework screw-up, and other things if the game is going F2P within 6 months.

    I'm a 6-month subscriber.

    When the game goes F2P I'll be gone. I don't play F2P games.

    Canceling the 6-month subscriptions is the CLEAREST sign they could possibly give that the game is going F2P.
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  • Nazon_Katts
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    Oh well, they could still keep their promise by just pulling the plug from the PC servers and firing them up for XB and PS again. EU goes PS4, since sales are considerably higher than XBone, which then of course will be hosted in NA.

    The potential box sales probably are higher in that market than we currently got subscribers, so I wouldn't be all too surprised if such a thought came to the suits' bean-counting minds.

    Lose a couple of customers, save on hardware, sell to more for a higer price and... profit. IF the consoleros buy it.
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  • kongkim
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    Funny thread here with all the same doom sayers what will quit the game if ZOS change that or don't do that and yelling up about how they F... them over and lie and ruin their days all the time...
  • zaria
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    RazielSR wrote: »
    What if it have to do with console release in 6 months more or less and the game going to be by obligation f2p to be released in consoles?
    It would have been totally insane to go F2P before the console launch and miss out all the console sales and subscriptions.

    If they needed money they would also offer one year subscriptions. as its give lots of money inn. Note that you can still go F2P lord of the rings did.
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  • bellanca6561n
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    Gyudan wrote: »
    @bellanca6561n: on the french forum, one of the players was arguing that he'll now have to pay an extra 1€ every month (+7% increase) for his sub.
    Most people would feel bad if their rent or electricity went up 7%.

    Don't get me wrong. I have also opted for six month subscriptions and am unhappy that this option has been taken away. For Eve I subscribe annually and would have taken that option here too if it had been offered.

    I was just commenting on the irony of it in light of the...well...general tone of this forum ;)
    Edited by bellanca6561n on December 23, 2014 12:46PM
  • zaria
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    Guppet wrote: »
    WhiskyBob wrote: »
    Ok not shareholders but investors ( Providence Equity Partners, ProSiebenSat.1 Media). Still. They have obligations.

    They are an Incorporated company in the US and the European branch Zenimax Europe Ltd is a private limited company.

    They don't have to file accounts in the states, but they sure do in the UK. Lets just say that while 2013 was not the best year for them (they posted a loss of 36%, ouch, that's probably exceptional items and im not that bothered that im going to find out what they were), they have enough resources that free to play should not be on the cards any time soon.
    2013 was not an game with huge titles as far as I know it was also the switch to PS4 and One while finishing ESO, 2012 was Skyrim year so they probably earned well.

    Note that its two reasons to go F2P, one is to fill up empty servers, the second is the pressure to do something with the problem.

    First is not an issue for ESO, yes its some areas with low population but that is true on all MMO, plenty of new players coming in too.
    Second is not an issue either unless they sold the project as an wow killer.

    Last delaying the console release point toward long term thinking not fast money from the sales. By delaying the game they get an better product but have to wait for the money.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • Grileenor
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    DDuke wrote: »
    Quoting @ZOS_GinaBruno from another thread:
    That said, we’re going to continue to be open about our plans and designs for the future of ESO. While a change in development like this can be frustrating, it isn’t a reason for us to not communicate.

    I think this decision of removing the 6-month subscription (with no apparent reason) warrants an answer.
    /signed. As a 6-month subscriber I am deeply worried. I hate F2P games. F2P ESO would make me think hard... @ZOS_GinaBruno please tell us something about this change. I doubt the current stated reason.
  • Gidorick
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    The 6 month subscription offered a discount of like 2 bucks per month. They're doing to it get that extra 6 bucks. I want to know if I'm signed up for 6 months, can I continue paying my $70 for 6 months?
    Edited by Gidorick on December 23, 2014 1:19PM
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  • AshySamurai
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    The 6 month subscription offered a discount of like 2 bucks per month. They're doing to it get that extra 6 bucks. I want to know if I'm signed up for 6 months, can I continue paying my $70 for 6 months?

    12 bucks. (2×6=12 :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: )
    Random thought time - maybe it is to do with currency fluctations?

    Rouble falling at an incredible rate for example. Maybe they don't want people buying large chucks of game time when they will make more money out of them as certain currencies devalue more over the next few months?

    Yep. I have same thoughts. Just like it was with time cards. IMO ZOS will bring it back when rouble stops falling (not just falling, but return to normal value).
    Edited by AshySamurai on December 23, 2014 1:40PM
  • zaria
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    Random thought time - maybe it is to do with currency fluctations?

    Rouble falling at an incredible rate for example. Maybe they don't want people buying large chucks of game time when they will make more money out of them as certain currencies devalue more over the next few months?
    Yes, might be the reason, not so many Russian players however other can also buy gametime and reducing time to 3 months will reduce the problem to the half.
    Also long term trends look like the dollar is getting stronger compared to euro and other major currencies. This will reduce income.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • Guppet
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    zaria wrote: »
    Guppet wrote: »
    WhiskyBob wrote: »
    Ok not shareholders but investors ( Providence Equity Partners, ProSiebenSat.1 Media). Still. They have obligations.

    They are an Incorporated company in the US and the European branch Zenimax Europe Ltd is a private limited company.

    They don't have to file accounts in the states, but they sure do in the UK. Lets just say that while 2013 was not the best year for them (they posted a loss of 36%, ouch, that's probably exceptional items and im not that bothered that im going to find out what they were), they have enough resources that free to play should not be on the cards any time soon.
    2013 was not an game with huge titles as far as I know it was also the switch to PS4 and One while finishing ESO, 2012 was Skyrim year so they probably earned well.

    Note that its two reasons to go F2P, one is to fill up empty servers, the second is the pressure to do something with the problem.

    First is not an issue for ESO, yes its some areas with low population but that is true on all MMO, plenty of new players coming in too.
    Second is not an issue either unless they sold the project as an wow killer.

    Last delaying the console release point toward long term thinking not fast money from the sales. By delaying the game they get an better product but have to wait for the money.

    Pretty much agree with all of that. People complaining that we were playing a beta have been pretty much spot on to be honest. This whole thing for the past 6 months has been about getting the game in its very best state to then bring it to consoles.

    As soon as they mentioned the champion system, there was no way consoles were getting it until that was out and working well.

    It can succeed on consoles with a subscription, in fact there is a massive hole in the market for it (some people don't like FF games).

    There is most definitely a correlation with their accounts and the release of large games and spikes in income/profit.
  • AshySamurai
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    zaria wrote: »
    Random thought time - maybe it is to do with currency fluctations?

    Rouble falling at an incredible rate for example. Maybe they don't want people buying large chucks of game time when they will make more money out of them as certain currencies devalue more over the next few months?
    Yes, might be the reason, not so many Russian players however other can also buy gametime and reducing time to 3 months will reduce the problem to the half.
    Also long term trends look like the dollar is getting stronger compared to euro and other major currencies. This will reduce income.

    Nope. Not because of Russians. It's because the rest of players. Only not russians can get a benefit. The price is fixed and Russian players pay the same amount in April, in August and in December. But all other players can convert dollars/euro into roubles and buy game time at lower price.
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