New 2-piece sets and undaunted chests

Teiji

For me and I'm sure many others, the one, sole thing I absolutely despise passionately, is the extreme prejudice the RNG, the drop-rate on items displays.

I did over 500 dark anchors with the goal of getting VR10 Shroud of the Lich gear, not even for combat purposes just for "town-clothes", I received a total of one item from the 500-570 dark anchors I did, It was horrible.

I remember watching interviews before with Paul Sage where he basically said that TESO is a game which you can jump in and accomplish stuff, you don't have to dedicate your entire life to have a great time, you can be a casual and have a home.

Having RNG, completely, utterly and solely as the one way to receive this gear with absurd droprates is saddening and toxic.

As Natjur said -

"If they allow craters to change traits on items, then 90% of this would not be an issue..."

Because this is not so, as I state the obvious, we now have to deal with the possibility and for some, reality of being favoured by RNG only to have exact duplicates of these items with poor droprates, with no way to change the trait, this would only be helpful, even though being able to change a trait makes absolutely zero sense as it's part of the process of creating the actual item.

The only solution to this toxicity is to acquire Undaunted currency in a similar way to how Alliance Points are attained.

With this, you'll do ten, maybe fifteen veteran pledges and have the safety, the satisfaction of knowing, without a shadow of a doubt that you will within a month, possibly less have at least a single set. It's not like they're never going to introduce more veteran dungeons with more monster heads, correct me if I'm wrong and we're never going to see more veteran dungeons, please.

I've got absolutely no problems with anything in this game except for the absurd droprate and having to rely solely on RNG is something I passionately despise.

As it stands now if you want to feel safe and not like you're at the casino hoping you'll get Undaunted gear, or even a decent drop from a Dark Anchor general, It's a tragedy.

The_Sadist

So apparently yesterday was my lucky day, though I use the word lucky loosely.

I did Wayrest 4 times and dropped a Malubeth The Scourger helm which was light but well-fitted and got two shoulders from the chest, one being light Valkyn Skoria with impenetrable and the other being medium Engine Guardian's with the reinforced trait.

Now I'm happy at this change of luck, but the fact the traits completely suck are very disheartening. I can farm hats until my eyes bleed but I may never see a light Valkyn Skoria shoulders again, let alone with the divines trait.

Just echoing a few people, I'd like some ability to change the traits or a token system so I can bloody farm the shoulders I want.

Magdalina

I'm at about 20 Wayrest runs by now, ran it 4 times just today helping some people...I have a feeling EVERYONE but me got that head:P
And I'm still farming vet DC. 20+ runs and still counting. The irony is by now I got Ebony chest and Saviour chest off the last DC boss. But no helmet. Well, I'm trying to be more optimistic(maybe next time I'll get the Worm Cult robe?), but I have a feeling at this pace I'll get all the rare drops possible before I get the helmet. I'm not even hopeful as I go to loot boss any more, I just don't believe it can happen at this point, just being stubborn.

It's not even them being rare that sets me off, it's how they don't actually seem all THAT rare - I see plenty of people around wearing full sets and my teammates get helmets all the time. But then there're those people like me who will probably get full Ebon, Saviour and Worm before we find a helmet, and it's plain ridiculous. As people already said, the system either needs tweaking(to raise the dropchance after each no drop or something) or a token alternative.

Also, @The_Sadist, I believe we ran with you today...yesterday?:) Nice seeing you here.

whsprwind

I'd really like to know how long the devs envisioned the grind would take

1-2 weeks?
1-2 months?
1-2 years?

It's been almost a month now, 25 pledges counting today, and it's fairly common to see many people happily donning their desired sets

But there's still a small group of us, unlucky bishes, devoutly grinding every single day and are still nowhere near (since it's RNG) getting the sets we want

@Zos_uberDesigner
Please, rethink your design. Is it working as what you expected?

Teiji

What's absolutely needed, dare I be so bold to say it.

Is an undaunted quartermaster that has a great impact in the world.

How?

Undaunted item-exchange - change your medium armor EXPLORATION trait chest or head piece for a Heavy armor reinforced or a different armor type with a trait of your choosing!

So you still have to acquire an item in order to trade it for something you want, which is a compromise if it's too much effort for a currency system but would also be great to go alongside an Undaunted currency system. As it stands now, I heavily dislike it, It's nonsense. I'm sure the Undaunted would gladly let me exchange my "useless" [subjective] item for one that will be more useful, they can then save my item for someone who will make better use of the item. They're supposed to have an armoury after all.

DeLindsay

Teiji wrote: »

What's absolutely needed, dare I be so bold to say it.

Is an undaunted quartermaster that has a great impact in the world.

How?

Undaunted item-exchange - change your medium armor EXPLORATION trait chest or head piece for a Heavy armor reinforced or a different armor type with a trait of your choosing!

So you still have to acquire an item in order to trade it for something you want, which is a compromise if it's too much effort for a currency system but would also be great to go alongside an Undaunted currency system. As it stands now, I heavily dislike it, It's nonsense. I'm sure the Undaunted would gladly let me exchange my "useless" [subjective] item for one that will be more useful, they can then save my item for someone who will make better use of the item. They're supposed to have an armoury after all.

This. I don't want a gear token system and this way would work perfectly. You must loot one of the Heads/Shoulders to be capable of exchanging it for a more favorable weight/trait.

Magdalina

DeLindsay wrote: »

Teiji wrote: »

What's absolutely needed, dare I be so bold to say it.

Is an undaunted quartermaster that has a great impact in the world.

How?

Undaunted item-exchange - change your medium armor EXPLORATION trait chest or head piece for a Heavy armor reinforced or a different armor type with a trait of your choosing!

So you still have to acquire an item in order to trade it for something you want, which is a compromise if it's too much effort for a currency system but would also be great to go alongside an Undaunted currency system. As it stands now, I heavily dislike it, It's nonsense. I'm sure the Undaunted would gladly let me exchange my "useless" [subjective] item for one that will be more useful, they can then save my item for someone who will make better use of the item. They're supposed to have an armoury after all.

This. I don't want a gear token system and this way would work perfectly. You must loot one of the Heads/Shoulders to be capable of exchanging it for a more favorable weight/trait.

Still might take those of us hated by rng gods a while though=/

At this point I'd agree for exploration heavy helmet, really(was mostly gonna try to tank in it so heavy'll do).

Preyfar

An easier option would be to just not have Undaunted gear drop with certain traits. Nobody doing VR dungeons needs Exploration gear. Period.

DeLindsay

Magdalina wrote: »

Still might take those of us hated by rng gods a while though=/

At this point I'd agree for exploration heavy helmet, really(was mostly gonna try to tank in it so heavy'll do).

For sure and I'm one of those with a terrible relationship with RNG but I like that idea better than gear tokens. Personally I thing every Gold key should have a substantially higher chance at a Shoulder drop since you had to do hard mode just to get said key. Then keep Silver key the same loot rate as now and maybe even lower Bronze key's chance (it might already be lower or none, I don't know for sure). ZoS should also put a character tracked scaling increase of 1% per loot for said items like the Heads. If the drop rate is 1% then the 2nd time you loot that boss it's 2%, etc and once you loot the Head it resets to 1%.

Preyfar

I'd rather the shoulders drop as gold items (rare) and the Undaunted chests have a chance to drop ANY high level set item (e.g. even the dungeon specific sets). Undaunted armor is a dime a dozen in guild stores.

Even the sets that SHOULD be good somehow aren't. I was all over the Infiltrator set, but I found the set bonus fairly useless because I was already 30 points over the DPS cap. Since it only affects light and medium attacks, it really limited me to using Haste and just never quite worked in builds. Yet I'd love to be able to find other higher end VR14 set items that I just can't seem to get anywhere else, or have such a hard time finding.

Tripwyr

I'm at 22 City of Ash clears with no helm drop at all.

EDIT: 24, nothing.
EDIT: 28, nothing.
EDIT: 29, nothing.

manny254

Tripwyr wrote: »

I'm at 22 City of Ash clears with no helm drop at all.

EDIT: 24, nothing.
EDIT: 28, nothing.

Dam that is how my friend was on WS, but that dungeon is easy to farm.

The worst part about RNG is that one time we carried someone through CoA, and they got the head drop on their first time in the dungeon. I eventually got one (in heavy) for myself, but I was pissed at the RNG.

Homm

ZENIMAX PLZ

xaraan

Seems like some just have really bad luck with the RNG. Maybe they could up the drop rates a little, or put something in there that increased the drop rate each time you do a run a day apart. I don't know, I have multiples of almost every boss head and shoulder so far (only missing dwemer boss shoulder). Some are great types and traits, others are crappy ones (but on one piece of armor, it's not that big a deal, so I'll just wait for another to drop eventually).

The_Sadist

Tripwyr wrote: »

I'm at 22 City of Ash clears with no helm drop at all.

EDIT: 24, nothing.
EDIT: 28, nothing.
EDIT: 29, nothing.

Gosh, I'm at 16 and I'm already starting to despair, please tell me you got one by now?

Tripwyr

The_Sadist wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

I'm at 22 City of Ash clears with no helm drop at all.

EDIT: 24, nothing.
EDIT: 28, nothing.
EDIT: 29, nothing.

Gosh, I'm at 16 and I'm already starting to despair, please tell me you got one by now?

Nope. Run #30 just trolled me and gave me an Embershield Helm instead.

EDIT: Run #31, nothing. My healer who has done ~18 runs has 3 Valkyn helms.
EDIT: Run #33, nothing. One of my DPS just deconstructed a medium Valkyn Helmet duplicate.
EDIT: Run #34, hardmode speed run 21 minutes no deaths no helm.

whsprwind

Tripwyr wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

I'm at 22 City of Ash clears with no helm drop at all.

EDIT: 24, nothing.
EDIT: 28, nothing.
EDIT: 29, nothing.

Gosh, I'm at 16 and I'm already starting to despair, please tell me you got one by now?

Nope. Run #30 just trolled me and gave me an Embershield Helm instead.

EDIT: Run #31, nothing. My healer who has done ~18 runs has 3 Valkyn helms.
EDIT: Run #33, nothing. One of my DPS just deconstructed a medium Valkyn Helmet duplicate.
EDIT: Run #34, hardmode speed run 21 minutes no deaths no helm.

@Tripwyr‌
Can you try running a different role?

Tripwyr

whsprwind wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

I'm at 22 City of Ash clears with no helm drop at all.

EDIT: 24, nothing.
EDIT: 28, nothing.
EDIT: 29, nothing.

Gosh, I'm at 16 and I'm already starting to despair, please tell me you got one by now?

Nope. Run #30 just trolled me and gave me an Embershield Helm instead.

EDIT: Run #31, nothing. My healer who has done ~18 runs has 3 Valkyn helms.
EDIT: Run #33, nothing. One of my DPS just deconstructed a medium Valkyn Helmet duplicate.
EDIT: Run #34, hardmode speed run 21 minutes no deaths no helm.

@Tripwyr‌
Can you try running a different role?

I'll have to find somebody else who can tank, but sure its worth a try. Even if it does work though, don't take it as evidence that you need to switch roles!

Homm

Medium shoulders today, for the 6th? 7th time.. Still no light ones.. of any kind... Also 2x medium helmets from CoH. No light helmets at all. ZENIMAX WHAT THE ***!? Let us damn it trade those items for another kind or something.

Natjur

So everyone else in the group is getting a helm drop but not the tank? The anti farming code which makes less chance of loot dropping if you do less damage/heals, I hope that does not apply to 4 man instance runs, cause they would *** off tanks.

whsprwind

Natjur wrote: »

So everyone else in the group is getting a helm drop but not the tank? The anti farming code which makes less chance of loot dropping if you do less damage/heals, I hope that does not apply to 4 man instance runs, cause they would *** off tanks.

That's what i would like to find out. There might be some hidden factor that affects our RNG and i'm wondering if it's a role thing (finesse)

No RNG can be that bad

xaraan

I mostly tank and have gotten good drops. I don't think it's a role thing.

Magdalina

Natjur wrote: »

So everyone else in the group is getting a helm drop but not the tank? The anti farming code which makes less chance of loot dropping if you do less damage/heals, I hope that does not apply to 4 man instance runs, cause they would *** off tanks.

I dps lately. Granted, I don't pull 1.5k or anything, but still...25+ DC runs, no helm. Run with different teams but sure feels like everyone but me has it by now.

Azarath_tiberius

Tripwyr wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

I'm at 22 City of Ash clears with no helm drop at all.

EDIT: 24, nothing.
EDIT: 28, nothing.
EDIT: 29, nothing.

Gosh, I'm at 16 and I'm already starting to despair, please tell me you got one by now?

Nope. Run #30 just trolled me and gave me an Embershield Helm instead.

EDIT: Run #31, nothing. My healer who has done ~18 runs has 3 Valkyn helms.
EDIT: Run #33, nothing. One of my DPS just deconstructed a medium Valkyn Helmet duplicate.
EDIT: Run #34, hardmode speed run 21 minutes no deaths no helm.

Wow.. I think I am with you in this. I've done at least 40 runs of CoA, completed every single achievement and I got the helmet once, Medium with Well-fitted. Let me repeat that.. Medium. With Well-fitted..

My guild mates got all the achievements as well so I'll just take a huge break from that dungeon..

Also, funny side note. I was farming Wayrest sewers for the Malubeth helmet (thank god we just needed to kill the 1st boss..) and I had my usual streak of no helmets until a guild mate told me to switch from tanking to healing.

I got that helmet with the first run I was healing...

Magdalina

Azarath_tiberius wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

I'm at 22 City of Ash clears with no helm drop at all.

EDIT: 24, nothing.
EDIT: 28, nothing.
EDIT: 29, nothing.

Gosh, I'm at 16 and I'm already starting to despair, please tell me you got one by now?

Nope. Run #30 just trolled me and gave me an Embershield Helm instead.

EDIT: Run #31, nothing. My healer who has done ~18 runs has 3 Valkyn helms.
EDIT: Run #33, nothing. One of my DPS just deconstructed a medium Valkyn Helmet duplicate.
EDIT: Run #34, hardmode speed run 21 minutes no deaths no helm.

Wow.. I think I am with you in this. I've done at least 40 runs of CoA, completed every single achievement and I got the helmet once, Medium with Well-fitted. Let me repeat that.. Medium. With Well-fitted..

My guild mates got all the achievements as well so I'll just take a huge break from that dungeon..

Also, funny side note. I was farming Wayrest sewers for the Malubeth helmet (thank god we just needed to kill the 1st boss..) and I had my usual streak of no helmets until a guild mate told me to switch from tanking to healing.

I got that helmet with the first run I was healing...

Don't think it matters on role. Sounds like you just finally got lucky:)

I've healed at least 7 Wayrest runs by now, dps'd about the same. You can probably guess how many helmets I have:P

kkravaritieb17_ESO

The current drop system is utterly stupidly designed. I wish they put some token exchange or something...

s7732425ub17_ESO

What's really funny is that this issue is EASILY fixable.

Tokens = gold keys. You can choose to use 1 gold key and open a Gold Undaunted Chest, OR you can save up 15 gold keys and choose a shoulder or helmet piece of your choice (random trait, but get to pick light/med/heavy).

All ZOS has to do is add a vendor for the gear (simple to do) and make gold keys stackable (simple to do). Done. Problem solved. You can still grind for the helm. If your RNG sucks horribly, you can buy the helm or shoulders after 2 weeks (or less time if you run multiple characters each day).

Natjur

The helms have random traits but it appears only some have a random change of being light\med\heavy. It appears some are always one type.

DeLindsay

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

What's really funny is that this issue is EASILY fixable.

Tokens = gold keys. You can choose to use 1 gold key and open a Gold Undaunted Chest, OR you can save up 15 gold keys and choose a shoulder or helmet piece of your choice (random trait, but get to pick light/med/heavy).

All ZOS has to do is add a vendor for the gear (simple to do) and make gold keys stackable (simple to do). Done. Problem solved. You can still grind for the helm. If your RNG sucks horribly, you can buy the helm or shoulders after 2 weeks (or less time if you run multiple characters each day).

If it would take 15 days then it should be the absolute Shoulder of choice including Trait. Consider that many players have at least 3 Roles they run regularly, add PvP then that's 4 or more. It means that on a 15 day cycle it'd take 2 months to get the 4 Shoulders that a single character (of 8) on an account needs, which still doesn't account for bad RNG with the Helms. That's still a stupid system and yet another MMO with a long gear grind just to keep people subbing. I'd rather quality content keep me subbing than a method that almost forces you to keep grinding the same thing over and over for that rare chance you just might get what you've wanted all along. Your solution doesn't solve anything sorry to say.

Homm

Natjur wrote: »

The helms have random traits but it appears only some have a random change of being light\med\heavy. It appears some are always one type.

No. I got all helms heavy/medium, not a single light, and I got all types by now, so where are the light ones? Same with eps, the only light one I have is the tank set from Wayrest, the rest is all heavy/med. Basically, after almost 30 days of doing 1/day I don't have a single item to wear. Thx ZOS.