Can we have an European Thornblade (EU) topic?

ThyIronFist

Nermy wrote: »

This campaign is turning out to be the best I have played on since beta!

I would agree with you normally, but there hasn't been anything good about PvP since zergballs started to appear and slowly turned PvP into the steaming pile of crap that it is now. Sure there's the occasional good fights, but fun time is over once the zerg monkeys start to appear.

I was there a couple of days ago when the 50 man EP train and the 50 man AD train rolled through the Gate of Ni-mokh. I believe it was last week. EP train stood on scroll, no skills were working, aside from Impulse of course, couldn't pick up the scroll, couldn't weapon swap, couldn't do *** all. Then I think we managed to get the scroll somehow, if memory serves right, and then the yellow train appeared, causing more lag etc. etc.

I actually heard people on TS shouting how great and how insane that battle was and how awesome it was that so many people are here... I don't know what planet these people come from, but spamming impulse and purge in a 50-man train is not good PvP. I found the situation pretty comical to look at, and I was almost considering playing with sunglasses on cause all the effects were making my eyes hurt, literally.

This usually happens every evening at prime time, server goes into a meltdown and nothing works. It's a joke, really.

I was actually surprised the server didn't crash. Anyhow, I've been here since beta as well and I don't know what pot you're smoking, but this is definitely not the best campaign. IMO.

But for the mean time I'm just going to let my sub run out, which ends next week. I wish you all good luck, and try and enjoy the non-zergy part of PvP... if there is anything left of it.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

XD yeh we let reds take it out the temple then stole it off them and I ran it back. Your ts friends are right it was epic.

It's fair enough if you don't like bomb groups but it's not our problem that the servers are unstable if you are there soloing and see a bomb group hide and then pick people off from the back. Zergs are a natural part of open world pvp. It's just like coordinating with a friend only you have more friends to do so with.

Maulkin

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

This campaign is turning out to be the best I have played on since beta!

I would agree with you normally, but there hasn't been anything good about PvP since zergballs started to appear and slowly turned PvP into the steaming pile of crap that it is now. Sure there's the occasional good fights, but fun time is over once the zerg monkeys start to appear.

I was there a couple of days ago when the 50 man EP train and the 50 man AD train rolled through the Gate of Ni-mokh. I believe it was last week. EP train stood on scroll, no skills were working, aside from Impulse of course, couldn't pick up the scroll, couldn't weapon swap, couldn't do *** all. Then I think we managed to get the scroll somehow, if memory serves right, and then the yellow train appeared, causing more lag etc. etc.

I actually heard people on TS shouting how great and how insane that battle was and how awesome it was that so many people are here... I don't know what planet these people come from, but spamming impulse and purge in a 50-man train is not good PvP. I found the situation pretty comical to look at, and I was almost considering playing with sunglasses on cause all the effects were making my eyes hurt, literally.

This usually happens every evening at prime time, server goes into a meltdown and nothing works. It's a joke, really.

I was actually surprised the server didn't crash. Anyhow, I've been here since beta as well and I don't know what pot you're smoking, but this is definitely not the best campaign. IMO.

But for the mean time I'm just going to let my sub run out, which ends next week. I wish you all good luck, and try and enjoy the non-zergy part of PvP... if there is anything left of it.

I understand your frustration and reluctance to renew. As izanagi said though, when you have 100s vs 100s open world PvP, it's normal that large groups will form to maximise effectiveness on the battlefield.

If your frustration is getting the better of you when you sit there with your small-man group and get wiped in <1" from an oncoming train of 50+, you have to consider (as you're doing by the sounds of it) if this is the game for you. This game was sold to the PvP audience as a large scale war zone, that's what brought a lot of people here. Not as the technical small scale combat that will pit skill vs skill.

Maybe a game that offers 50vs50 battlegrounds, or 5v5 pvp will suit your style more. Every game has a different target audience and PvP niche.

As for the lag, trust me large groups want it sorted probably even more than you do, as they're usually at the epicentre of it.

shidoq8

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

This campaign is turning out to be the best I have played on since beta!

I would agree with you normally, but there hasn't been anything good about PvP since zergballs started to appear and slowly turned PvP into the steaming pile of crap that it is now. Sure there's the occasional good fights, but fun time is over once the zerg monkeys start to appear.

I was there a couple of days ago when the 50 man EP train and the 50 man AD train rolled through the Gate of Ni-mokh. I believe it was last week. EP train stood on scroll, no skills were working, aside from Impulse of course, couldn't pick up the scroll, couldn't weapon swap, couldn't do *** all. Then I think we managed to get the scroll somehow, if memory serves right, and then the yellow train appeared, causing more lag etc. etc.

I actually heard people on TS shouting how great and how insane that battle was and how awesome it was that so many people are here... I don't know what planet these people come from, but spamming impulse and purge in a 50-man train is not good PvP. I found the situation pretty comical to look at, and I was almost considering playing with sunglasses on cause all the effects were making my eyes hurt, literally.

This usually happens every evening at prime time, server goes into a meltdown and nothing works. It's a joke, really.

I was actually surprised the server didn't crash. Anyhow, I've been here since beta as well and I don't know what pot you're smoking, but this is definitely not the best campaign. IMO.

But for the mean time I'm just going to let my sub run out, which ends next week. I wish you all good luck, and try and enjoy the non-zergy part of PvP... if there is anything left of it.

I understand your frustration and reluctance to renew. As izanagi said though, when you have 100s vs 100s open world PvP, it's normal that large groups will form to maximise effectiveness on the battlefield.

If your frustration is getting the better of you when you sit there with your small-man group and get wiped in <1" from an oncoming train of 50+, you have to consider (as you're doing by the sounds of it) if this is the game for you. This game was sold to the PvP audience as a large scale war zone, that's what brought a lot of people here. Not as the technical small scale combat that will pit skill vs skill.

Maybe a game that offers 50vs50 battlegrounds, or 5v5 pvp will suit your style more. Every game has a different target audience and PvP niche.

As for the lag, trust me large groups want it sorted probably even more than you do, as they're usually at the epicentre of it.

thank you, at last someone who understands this game, someone who actually thinks.

Mojomonkeyman

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

This campaign is turning out to be the best I have played on since beta!

I would agree with you normally, but there hasn't been anything good about PvP since zergballs started to appear and slowly turned PvP into the steaming pile of crap that it is now. Sure there's the occasional good fights, but fun time is over once the zerg monkeys start to appear.

I was there a couple of days ago when the 50 man EP train and the 50 man AD train rolled through the Gate of Ni-mokh. I believe it was last week. EP train stood on scroll, no skills were working, aside from Impulse of course, couldn't pick up the scroll, couldn't weapon swap, couldn't do *** all. Then I think we managed to get the scroll somehow, if memory serves right, and then the yellow train appeared, causing more lag etc. etc.

I actually heard people on TS shouting how great and how insane that battle was and how awesome it was that so many people are here... I don't know what planet these people come from, but spamming impulse and purge in a 50-man train is not good PvP. I found the situation pretty comical to look at, and I was almost considering playing with sunglasses on cause all the effects were making my eyes hurt, literally.

This usually happens every evening at prime time, server goes into a meltdown and nothing works. It's a joke, really.

I was actually surprised the server didn't crash. Anyhow, I've been here since beta as well and I don't know what pot you're smoking, but this is definitely not the best campaign. IMO.

But for the mean time I'm just going to let my sub run out, which ends next week. I wish you all good luck, and try and enjoy the non-zergy part of PvP... if there is anything left of it.

I understand your frustration and reluctance to renew. As izanagi said though, when you have 100s vs 100s open world PvP, it's normal that large groups will form to maximise effectiveness on the battlefield.

If your frustration is getting the better of you when you sit there with your small-man group and get wiped in <1" from an oncoming train of 50+, you have to consider (as you're doing by the sounds of it) if this is the game for you. This game was sold to the PvP audience as a large scale war zone, that's what brought a lot of people here. Not as the technical small scale combat that will pit skill vs skill.

Maybe a game that offers 50vs50 battlegrounds, or 5v5 pvp will suit your style more. Every game has a different target audience and PvP niche.

As for the lag, trust me large groups want it sorted probably even more than you do, as they're usually at the epicentre of it.

As much as I appreciate some of your posts, this is just not true, ESO was advertized as a playground for all pvp styles.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2014/03/26/esos-veteran-content

This is what made me buy into the game. Equal weighting of all scales of pvp according to that link. When did smallscale ever destroy zerg playstyle? Never.
When did zergstyle play destroy smallscale? Like every day?!

Havent encountered a smallscale fight yet that made the map lag out so hard that play for anyone becomes impossible...

Junipus

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS needs to fix it so that the game can properly handle the 200 players they advertised on release, however there's always the suspicion that those AD groups who blob together know what happens to the server and know that it works to their advantage.

This is getting stupid now, instead of suspecting things you guys need to engage your brain more.

As I've said before, we've more often suffered than benefited from the lag and the crashes. As other's have mentioned we've lost EP scrolls 3 times to rollbacks , in return we've only had 1 scroll return to us via rollbacks. We lost faregyl only a few days back (last keep defence) to crashes.

So how exactly does it work to our advantage? If you have 4 organised large groups in a keep, why would you want a server crash? You can keep anyone out with ease. Take your blinkers off.

I never said it was regarding rollbacks, especially since as you mentioned it benefits people randomly so it doesn't help anyone. However, I know that grouping up into as small an area as possible essentially makes groups almost invulnerable due to the lag. I'm merely stating that some groups who do that with the intention of making use of the game mechanics also know that it causes the lag which makes it easier for them to take flags with NPCs still alive and people unable to use any abilities.

DlSTORTlON

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

As much as I appreciate some of your posts, this is just not true, ESO was advertized as a playground for all pvp styles.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2014/03/26/esos-veteran-content

This is what made me buy into the game. Equal weighting of all scales of pvp according to that link. When did smallscale ever destroy zerg playstyle? Never.
When did zergstyle play destroy smallscale? Like every day?!

Havent encountered a smallscale fight yet that made the map lag out so hard that play for anyone becomes impossible...

Here is a perfect time to bring up the beloved topic of forward camps and population distribution across the whole map. The way things are currently... the majority of all fights, no matter what scale, are in limited spaces (usually on the front lines). Cyrodiil is a massive place; yet the majority of it lies uninhabited because everyone is all together at one or two fights. Obviously the bomb squads will choose to fight at these hot spots.

Looking back to the game just after launch; when forward camps bugged out most of the time; the reliance on them was limited and the server population was more evenly distributed across the map (even though bomb squads were still running around). More people were in small fights or moving between places rather than many people using abilities - putting stress on servers. IF changes were made to distribute the population across the whole region there would be more opportunity for small scale fights and skirmishes.

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Therein lies the problem and issue. It's not the AD's fault that the server hamster is getting old and suffering strokes.

False, the servers are relatively new.

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

(...) but they are the main, if not only, faction that brings together groups large enough to cause the server to lag.

(...) the suspicion that those AD groups who blob together know what happens to the server and know that it works to their advantage.

Disinformation & ignorant accusations. There are many DC & EP groups, of which, some 'stack and spam' during server stress.

Lava_Croft

Can we just agree together that blaming a certain faction for lag and rollbacks is not just really dumb, it's also counterproductive and creates an atmosphere of negativity directed towards factions instead of negativity directed towards the people we pay money to deliver us a working product.

DlSTORTlON

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Can we just agree together that blaming a certain faction for lag and rollbacks is not just really dumb, it's also counterproductive and creates an atmosphere of negativity directed towards factions instead of negativity directed towards the people we pay money to deliver us a working product.

Agree, but perhaps instead of negatively directing it towards ZOS, we should do it positively?

Maulkin

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

As much as I appreciate some of your posts, this is just not true, ESO was advertized as a playground for all pvp styles.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2014/03/26/esos-veteran-content

This is what made me buy into the game. Equal weighting of all scales of pvp according to that link. When did smallscale ever destroy zerg playstyle? Never.
When did zergstyle play destroy smallscale? Like every day?!

Havent encountered a smallscale fight yet that made the map lag out so hard that play for anyone becomes impossible...

It depends what you mean by the bolded part. The fact is we have:
1) Large AoE groups
2) Lag

At the moment 1 causes 2, most of the times. I say most of the times, because I've seen with my own eyes huge lag in campaigns even when there was no large groups around. Just big zergs of random non-grouped players.

Now when you say that small-scale playstyle is destroyed by large AoE groups, do you mean because of the lag, or because they can get stomped when they run into big groups?

If it's because of the lag, large groups will tell you to point the finger at ZOS not them. They're just doing the large-scale PvP that was advertised. Which is what they came for. It's not their fault the servers are crapping out.

If it's because of the stomping, well that's what gonna happen when you have large-scale pvp. The fact they advertised ganks squads doesn't mean that they're immune from running into large groups. They never advertised Arenas for example.

Now also bear in mind, that most large groups (if not all) cannot wait for the removal of AoE caps. Partly because they believe AoE caps cause lag, partly because it can take some of the skill and coordination element out of the game, with this random protection of players.

I enjoy large group, small group and solo. Those who know me, know I do all three. As such when running small group or solo I try as hard to avoid running into big groups, but I can't avoid the lag. I hate it as much as anyone, but I just can't bring myself to blame the people who are playing the way they came here to play. And when I take a wrong turn and run into a 50-man zerg I just smile and say "oh shi+!". Because I know there's always a risk that might happen

TL;DR;
Don't blame large groups for lag, blame ZOS. They should be treated as 2 separate things. If you hate lag fine, but if you hate large groups playing such an important part in AvA then that's another thing.

Maulkin

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Can we just agree together that blaming a certain faction for lag and rollbacks is not just really dumb, it's also counterproductive and creates an atmosphere of negativity directed towards factions instead of negativity directed towards the people we pay money to deliver us a working product.

Amen!

shidoq8

rollin

rsciw

DlSTORTlON wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Therein lies the problem and issue. It's not the AD's fault that the server hamster is getting old and suffering strokes.

False, the servers are relatively new.

Doesn't necessarily mean they're any good, or enough of them, or both. Also (I reckon) the game code is a bit messy.

Laenuriel

This morning DC and EP attacked Alessia together, one with an insidious farm-side siege (ballista on the tower keeping breach open) and EP from the lumber side. They managed to clear our camps and most of our players. Of course both factions wanted the blue scroll there so they did manage to fight for it. Thanks Abraxus, who saved the day for the Dominion by wiping out EP at the second flag and then donating his AP and that of his guildmates to our cause. After cleanup and retaking of the farm we had a 46k tick. Hail Abraxus and his herd!

heng14rwb17_ESO

We will wipe the purple alliance again & show them who is the boss

Juoppo

Hi.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Laenuriel wrote: »

This morning DC and EP attacked Alessia together, one with an insidious farm-side siege (ballista on the tower keeping breach open) and EP from the lumber side. They managed to clear our camps and most of our players. Of course both factions wanted the blue scroll there so they did manage to fight for it. Thanks Abraxus, who saved the day for the Dominion by wiping out EP at the second flag and then donating his AP and that of his guildmates to our cause. After cleanup and retaking of the farm we had a 46k tick. Hail Abraxus and his herd!

Good Guy @AbraXuSeXile Makes a change from Evil Overlord on Azura's eh?

Isbilen

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Can we just agree together that blaming a certain faction for lag and rollbacks is not just really dumb

It's definitely Zenimax's fault, but let's not forget that this wasn't really the big issue it is now with insane lag spikes, server crashes and rollbacks every night even with all three factions locked before the AD swarms returned from Haderus. If you know what causes these issues you should stop acting like entitled *** ruining the game for everyone else and wait until Zenimax gives us better servers.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Isbilen wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Can we just agree together that blaming a certain faction for lag and rollbacks is not just really dumb

If you know what causes these issues you should stop acting like entitled *** ruining the game for everyone else and wait until Zenimax gives us better servers.

That's the same as me telling non bomb group players to go play Chilrend because when I'm bomb group vs bomb group I don't lag until random pugs show up...

Why not just not play at all until server issues are sorted in that case?

Lettigall

Isbilen wrote: »

It's definitely Zenimax's fault, but let's not forget that this wasn't really the big issue it is now with insane lag spikes, server crashes and rollbacks every night even with all three factions locked before the AD swarms returned from Haderus. If you know what causes these issues you should stop acting like entitled *** ruining the game for everyone else and wait until Zenimax gives us better servers.

No it's Purple alliance fault, noble Whiner Dominion is forced swarm keeps with their trains to defeat this mystical creature. And don't blame ZoS, they don't have time for PvP issues, they need to make Right, Left side and Lower Craglorn.

Juraigr

Bomb groups don't exist

rsciw

Isbilen wrote: »

If you know what causes these issues you should stop acting like entitled *** ruining the game for everyone else and wait until Zenimax gives us better servers.

Sure, no problem, let me know once you start paying the subs for my accounts and I can play as you want me to. Until you do so, you can go and get stuffed for all I care.

themdogesbite

Laenuriel wrote: »

This morning DC and EP attacked Alessia together, one with an insidious farm-side siege (ballista on the tower keeping breach open) and EP from the lumber side. They managed to clear our camps and most of our players. Of course both factions wanted the blue scroll there so they did manage to fight for it. Thanks Abraxus, who saved the day for the Dominion by wiping out EP at the second flag and then donating his AP and that of his guildmates to our cause. After cleanup and retaking of the farm we had a 46k tick. Hail Abraxus and his herd!

Maybe its time to return to Kings lumber! :-)

AbraXuSeXile

Laenuriel wrote: »

This morning DC and EP attacked Alessia together, one with an insidious farm-side siege (ballista on the tower keeping breach open) and EP from the lumber side. They managed to clear our camps and most of our players. Of course both factions wanted the blue scroll there so they did manage to fight for it. Thanks Abraxus, who saved the day for the Dominion by wiping out EP at the second flag and then donating his AP and that of his guildmates to our cause. After cleanup and retaking of the farm we had a 46k tick. Hail Abraxus and his herd!

Lol, Well we didnt attack 'together'. DC took the resource for us and put a camp down so we could mess about at Alessia instead of Kings lumber. Little did we know that EP was sieging it also, came as quite a suprise once we got inside.

A blob of EP + AD + pugs on respective sides, Then our little skirmish group just causing havoc to both sides.

Once EP breached we noticed there camp was down, so we found the AD camp and griefed whatever came through until the tent was gone, So we went inside and destroyed the EP raid as they was about to cap. We actually capped a flag and half of the other flag until your reinforcements came and overran us.

If we would of taken it, It woulda been something special. But we did save the keep for you, You're welcome for the AP you got, I was on 65k per hour with kills from the keep and the resource ticks from farming the EP until the AD came in behind and sneaked it.

Was a totally messed up crazy siege but was really enjoyable, Which makes me want to move to Thorn even more.

Maulkin

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Was a totally messed up crazy siege but was really enjoyable, Which makes me want to move to Thorn even more.

It's a love/hate relationship with Thorn. It's a very tight campaign with some great fights between the best players and groups on EU. But the lag & unresponsiveness at prime-time can make you consider tearing your eyeballs out.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Laenuriel wrote: »

This morning DC and EP attacked Alessia together, one with an insidious farm-side siege (ballista on the tower keeping breach open) and EP from the lumber side. They managed to clear our camps and most of our players. Of course both factions wanted the blue scroll there so they did manage to fight for it. Thanks Abraxus, who saved the day for the Dominion by wiping out EP at the second flag and then donating his AP and that of his guildmates to our cause. After cleanup and retaking of the farm we had a 46k tick. Hail Abraxus and his herd!

Was a totally messed up crazy siege but was really enjoyable, Which makes me want to move to Thorn even more.

Stop being so coy and just move here you noob you know you miss us
Only problem is queue times, lag is just lag maybe one day it will be gone.

DlSTORTlON

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Laenuriel wrote: »

This morning DC and EP attacked Alessia together, one with an insidious farm-side siege (ballista on the tower keeping breach open) and EP from the lumber side. They managed to clear our camps and most of our players. Of course both factions wanted the blue scroll there so they did manage to fight for it. Thanks Abraxus, who saved the day for the Dominion by wiping out EP at the second flag and then donating his AP and that of his guildmates to our cause. After cleanup and retaking of the farm we had a 46k tick. Hail Abraxus and his herd!

Lol, Well we didnt attack 'together'. DC took the resource for us and put a camp down so we could mess about at Alessia instead of Kings lumber. Little did we know that EP was sieging it also, came as quite a suprise once we got inside.

A blob of EP + AD + pugs on respective sides, Then our little skirmish group just causing havoc to both sides.

Once EP breached we noticed there camp was down, so we found the AD camp and griefed whatever came through until the tent was gone, So we went inside and destroyed the EP raid as they was about to cap. We actually capped a flag and half of the other flag until your reinforcements came and overran us.

If we would of taken it, It woulda been something special. But we did save the keep for you, You're welcome for the AP you got, I was on 65k per hour with kills from the keep and the resource ticks from farming the EP until the AD came in behind and sneaked it.

Was a totally messed up crazy siege but was really enjoyable, Which makes me want to move to Thorn even more.

No AD 'blob' insight. Just randoms + 6 man K.O.C group (which was the 'reinforcements' you mentioned). We just thought; 'oohh, let them fight & build up the tick and wipe them on the flags. When they think they're so close, but actually, very very far.'

Was a fight well worth staying up for. I think you should take my advice more often, Abraxus.

cazlonb16_ESO

After the short interlude regarding the blue scroll things are back to business as usual it seems. Purple teams 1 and 2 attacking AD with all their forces, peace and prosperity in the northern parts of the map, minus a handful of habitual farmers at Bleaker's.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

After the short interlude regarding the blue scroll things are back to business as usual it seems. Purple teams 1 and 2 attacking AD with all their forces, peace and prosperity in the northern parts of the map, minus a handful of habitual farmers at Bleaker's.

DC and EP didn't Pact their winter clothes

Isbilen

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

After the short interlude regarding the blue scroll things are back to business as usual it seems. Purple teams 1 and 2 attacking AD with all their forces, peace and prosperity in the northern parts of the map, minus a handful of habitual farmers at Bleaker's.

Oh no! Orange alliance!

Seriously, all factions are ganged up on when it's strategically smart. There is no way AD would have held the lead the first 20 days without the constant "green alliance" against the Ebonheart Pact either.