Can we have an European Thornblade (EU) topic?

GhostShadows

Thudunblundur wrote: »

I'm not going back over the posts again either. You say you don't look at scores etc, you play to have fun. Fair enough. I DO look at the scores and populations a lot because the 3-way war was my overriding interest. Over 2 or 3 days mid way through the last campaign AD scored between 400 and 900 bonus points per hour until they were 3,000 ahead (from being last place by 3,000 points). Then there were no bonuses until 48 hours before the end when they got 900 in an hour for a 500 point lead. It won them the campaign.

So when you post that it's all fine and you can't see what people are complaining about and then say you never looked - well... Check up on what you are talking about.

edit: typo

again, i never said "is all fine".
now remove the bonus as u wish, then massacre AD till their main gate in purple aliance and in end tell me u came play this game because a 3vs3!!
u know if u keep pushing AD like that and there are not any bonus points, i dont mean exatly like it is now, in 3 days AD will have so much less points that will feel like u felling now and stop pvp.
i hope u end to hunderstand once for all, that i m not defending the system like it is at moment. just saying if u invert the system like ppl pretend in many posts here, u will get a unfair system aswell.

Tankqull

it was quite interesting to see AD population drop drastically yesterday evening at 20 o´clock CET from locked out login to 1 bar within 1,5 hour on thorn while every other servers gained massive AD numbers.
probbably just pure coincidence

VagabondAngel

Using claims of a 'purple alliance' as a justification for a disproportionate bonus system is not helping your case.

GhostShadows

VagabondAngel wrote: »

Using claims of a 'purple alliance' as a justification for a disproportionate bonus system is not helping your case.

is impossible put sume light in this brain, is so dam dark inside here!!!
did u saw me "justifing this disproportionate bonus system" or asking to fix it insted completely remove it?

Thudunblundur

The nature of a 3 way wargame is to gang up on someone. It happens to all sides repeatedly over a month. The skill comes in making sure it happens less to you and more to your rivals.

There is a mechanism in place that helps AD and only AD avoid any need for diplomacy and a good public image. The timings of these bonuses and now posts like Tankqull's above suggest that some at least in AD know how to manipulate this mechanism. Suggest. This is not proof. It is just suspicious.

It does not help that the only faction that the devs play for - so far as I am aware - is the AD. I don't for a moment think a dev intentionally told AD how to abuse this mechanism, but I do think devs are human and capable of letting things slip without even realizing it.
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Innocent or guilty, It. Looks. Appalling.

VagabondAngel

I don't believe anyone has suggested abolishing the concept of a low population bonus have they? The mechanic is broken in terms of balancing scoring vs relative populations and ZoS maintain it is "working as intended" - this is the core issue.

Your assertions of a purple alliance, reactionary outburst and posts like this:

GhostShadows wrote: »

cry me a river over and over again. ha btw cry me a river again.

...have diminished your credibility to almost absolute zero.

If you have an actual coherent point to make in defence of the current implementation of the low population bonus, then make it... and without recourse to the imaginary victimisation of AD via a 'purple alliance'.

WolfingHour

GhostShadows wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

Using claims of a 'purple alliance' as a justification for a disproportionate bonus system is not helping your case.

is impossible put sume light in this brain, is so dam dark inside here!!!
did u saw me "justifing this disproportionate bonus system" or asking to fix it insted completely remove it?

GhostShadows wrote: »

i will not argue with cry spoiled kids here in foruns. i just want say 1 more thing:

if 10 or 15 ppl defend fare for alomost 5h during night from 20 red at 1 side and 20 blues in the other side, and after that time wen pop start making log in and numbers are 100 vs 40+40, we get all map. dosent mean the bonus is unfair.

about my job, well get jealous as much as u want and cry me a river about it also

You actually did defended it. You called it fair based on your own anedoctal evidence.

But at the end of the day, as we can see from the screen grabs a couple of posts above, one alliance was getting +1480 points on top of an almost full map. Which coincidentally is something that you said didn't happen. And you play 10h+!

All factions have shown that they can organise for night caps. Not having the low pop bonus makes for a levelled playing field since no alliance would be able to coast on the bonus to their name in the race.

GhostShadows

Vaga i m done with u, u just prove ur blind by the rage of loose the campain. u act like a hooligan of football.
at least sume ppl here have diferent prespectives of view and we can argue about this without pretend the other said wat was not said.
u can reply my posts as much as u want i will ignore u like did already with others there.
and btw cry me a river more

GhostShadows

WolfingHour wrote: »

GhostShadows wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

Using claims of a 'purple alliance' as a justification for a disproportionate bonus system is not helping your case.

is impossible put sume light in this brain, is so dam dark inside here!!!
did u saw me "justifing this disproportionate bonus system" or asking to fix it insted completely remove it?

GhostShadows wrote: »

i will not argue with cry spoiled kids here in foruns. i just want say 1 more thing:

if 10 or 15 ppl defend fare for alomost 5h during night from 20 red at 1 side and 20 blues in the other side, and after that time wen pop start making log in and numbers are 100 vs 40+40, we get all map. dosent mean the bonus is unfair.

about my job, well get jealous as much as u want and cry me a river about it also

You actually did defended it. You called it fair based on your own anedoctal evidence.

But at the end of the day, as we can see from the screen grabs a couple of posts above, one alliance was getting +1480 points on top of an almost full map. Which coincidentally is something that you said didn't happen. And you play 10h+!

All factions have shown that they can organise for night caps. Not having the low pop bonus makes for a levelled playing field since no alliance would be able to coast on the bonus to their name in the race.

ur right should said "totaly unfair" insted only unfair

VagabondAngel

GhostShadows wrote: »

Vaga i m done with u, u just prove ur blind by the rage of loose the campain. u act like a hooligan of football.
at least sume ppl here have diferent prespectives of view and we can argue about this without pretend the other said wat was not said.
u can reply my posts as much as u want i will ignore u like did already with others there.
and btw cry me a river more

Wow.

GhostShadows

think i will ask for a descount on my sub, found pvp in foruns much more fun than in cyro and i stop log the game till this spoiled kids get all they want, is bad fight a desmoralised troups that just stand there to die, or is that a reload screen?

Lettigall

Guys don't feed troll, simple put him on ignore. Arguing with him you gonna waste your time and fill up discussion with trash commentaries!

Turelus

@GhostShadows it's easy to see why people have grown annoyed with you.

Many have posted clearly their issues and even a defence for this mechanic, however you appear to just want to argue and troll rather than form an actual debate.

Please list how you feel a mechanic which can win you a campaign without taking part in it is beneficial to the games PVP.
Yes the mechanic is meant to stop things like night capping, however interestingly enough it's only boosting the AD night caps right now. As AD are lower populations at all times during the day, when they do the early hours captures they're getting the boost as well.

AD are now three thousand points ahead in two days, that's an absurd amount and those of us not in the AD faction have a right to be angry at the mechanic. We're penalised for playing during the normal day hours and for attacking a weakened enemy.
The only option we have to counter this mechanic is, don't play. As it seems no matter what or when we try and play we're being screwed, EP stopped doing night capping in full force a while ago, now we get to wake up with AD owning our scrolls and getting bonus points for doing so.

So instead of slinging names, insults and trolling comments around please tell us in the opposing factions constructively how this is helping the game?
EP have lost massive numbers of active players because we just went off to PVE, do you really want EU Thornblade as another buff campaign where no one wants to play?

Thudunblundur

Either a troll or hasn't actually understood the issues at all. Either way discussion is futile.

GhostShadows

Turelus wrote: »

@GhostShadows it's easy to see why people have grown annoyed with you.

Many have posted clearly their issues and even a defence for this mechanic, however you appear to just want to argue and troll rather than form an actual debate.

Please list how you feel a mechanic which can win you a campaign without taking part in it is beneficial to the games PVP.
Yes the mechanic is meant to stop things like night capping, however interestingly enough it's only boosting the AD night caps right now. As AD are lower populations at all times during the day, when they do the early hours captures they're getting the boost as well.

AD are now three thousand points ahead in two days, that's an absurd amount and those of us not in the AD faction have a right to be angry at the mechanic. We're penalised for playing during the normal day hours and for attacking a weakened enemy.
The only option we have to counter this mechanic is, don't play. As it seems no matter what or when we try and play we're being screwed, EP stopped doing night capping in full force a while ago, now we get to wake up with AD owning our scrolls and getting bonus points for doing so.

So instead of slinging names, insults and trolling comments around please tell us in the opposing factions constructively how this is helping the game?
EP have lost massive numbers of active players because we just went off to PVE, do you really want EU Thornblade as another buff campaign where no one wants to play?

i dont know how the buff pop up, but seams to work like this:
it count pop of facions at sume hour to add or reduce the pop bars.
now imagine there was a massive pick of lag that made many players log off, from all facions.
AD have more players at sume hours wat for sure have more log off after a lag ocurence.
it count again after ea hour right? wat hapen? AD had a drastic reduce of pop in % maybe more than the other faction just because have more players at that time.
and this make bonus apear. this is just a idea not proved ofc but seams more logic than acuse AD players to force log off all at same time to exploit it.
wen ppl here start making acusations like that, i just roll my eyes and troll a bit ofc.
it is for sure related with the number of players making log off inside a certain number of hours.
if there are for sumre reason a pick of lag that make game almost inpossible to play, for sure ppl will log off in mass at that time, in all facions but more in AD cause have more players

WolfingHour

Again, such sad state of affairs.

A couple of weeks up until this (latest) debacle I was starting to get my feet wet in PvP, investing my time into understanding the mechanics and my skill points into AW skills, checking up on AD PvP guilds on TB, but now? My enthusiasm is rather deflated.

Again not because of the PvP community, but rather ZOS' silence.

sphane

@GhostShadows‌

Oh you promized to shut-up. As Liar As Ma'iq !

sphane

Yesterday night, was a sad night.

No more Wabba, no more Nessi, no more Tarvy in the zone chat. Only some Wabba Ronins running with Hos or maybe other more anonymous groups.

We took Dragon as Wabba like to do. We pushed Aleswell and took it, we bravely failed to ninja the Chim scroll when bananas contested it in Rayles... But it was sad, because those bright actions are usually belonging to Wabba.

So thank you ZOS for killing the EP thornblade community.

Junipus

sphane wrote: »

Yesterday night, was a sad night.

No more Wabba, no more Nessi, no more Tarvy in the zone chat. Only some Wabba Ronins running with Hos or maybe other more anonymous groups.

We took Dragon as Wabba like to do. We pushed Aleswell and took it, we bravely failed to ninja the Chim scroll when bananas contested it in Rayles... But it was sad, because those bright actions are usually belonging to Wabba.

So thank you ZOS for killing the EP thornblade community.

Ah that was you guys?

Quick tip: Don't stay around killing random DC for 20 minutes. People talk and we were all waiting for you by the time you tried to ninja the scroll. Thanks for killing the stray AD though

sphane

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

sphane wrote: »

Yesterday night, was a sad night.

No more Wabba, no more Nessi, no more Tarvy in the zone chat. Only some Wabba Ronins running with Hos or maybe other more anonymous groups.

We took Dragon as Wabba like to do. We pushed Aleswell and took it, we bravely failed to ninja the Chim scroll when bananas contested it in Rayles... But it was sad, because those bright actions are usually belonging to Wabba.

So thank you ZOS for killing the EP thornblade community.

Ah that was you guys?

Quick tip: Don't stay around killing random DC for 20 minutes. People talk and we were all waiting for you by the time you tried to ninja the scroll. Thanks for killing the stray AD though

This was not our goal. We came to ninja, we were spotted by a scout. We retreated. But your guys came again and again and again even when we changed position. Then we saw the bananas assaulting. We said, ok this is our chance. What could we do else ?

GhostShadows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhGtmffIPec

this will ilustrate wat i was saying, after this hapen most probably was bouth factions players loged off after 20 mins of this, AD had more players there next recount on pop online u can imagine wat will hapen.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Wasn't Gladmist lag fun last night...

Lava_Croft

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Wasn't Gladmist lag fun last night...

Fixed it for you.

Isbilen

What's going on with the populations? EP didn't even lock once today, and AD never popped up above medium population, whilst DC only locked for an hour before going down to medium again.

themdogesbite

Isbilen wrote: »

What's going on with the populations? EP didn't even lock once today, and AD never popped up above medium population, whilst DC only locked for an hour before going down to medium again.

EP was infact locked while AD and DC was at Medium pop. Expect higher numbers tomorrow thanks to this; http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/142667/cyrodiil-performance-population-cap-adjustments#latest

AbraXuSeXile

Think people are getting extremely bored.

At the moment Cyrodiil is like playing CoD without a change map option, All the fighting is between alessia and sejanus or chalman and arrius, Get's old fast.

Turelus

Wabbajack is still on a hiatus for the most part.

I did complete Hel Ra for the first time today, and got my third piece of Aether gear! :disagree:

CapuchinSeven

It's good to see some AD players basing the underpop bonus. I can take a lot of things, a 3 way game is always going to end up with one side being picked on, it's how it works but the underpop bonus is just an utter joke and not a way anyone should want to win.

My friends list is slowly drying up as less and less of the PVPers I know log on.

Thudunblundur

There's a suggestion that EP and DC ally, push AD back to their home areas and keep them there. We'll see what happens to the bonus then. I doubt this can be organized but if I see signs of it happening I'll come back and help.

pmn100b16_ESO

Thudunblundur wrote: »

There's a suggestion that EP and DC ally, push AD back to their home areas and keep them there. We'll see what happens to the bonus then. I doubt this can be organized but if I see signs of it happening I'll come back and help.

lol, that would be something new.