◄PVP Magicka Nightblade Tips/Tricks► (Out-Dated)

Sublime

Varicite wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I actually have no idea about Nirnhorned, I can't test it myself as in the last 2 months I've spent 98% of my game time in Cyro. The rest 2%, I was queuing to get in.

Lost all interested in PvE shortly after completing the first 2 trials and getting two toons to v14.

I actually just said nirnhooned because it also contained spell pen or is the exessive damage of sharpened only linked to this trait because of a bug?

Nirnhoned on weapons procs a spell resistance buff, not spell pen.

Pretty much the exact opposite of Sharpened.

Nirnhoned GS

Sorry?

Interesting, I stand corrected. : )

I do know that Sharpened is currently bugged to get the values that it actually gets, but no idea about Nirnhoned being bugged in the same manner.

Would be damn op if it were banned for both, spell pen and spell resist. xD

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

From those who've tested I've heard that nirnhorned is bugged the same as sharpened.

But that's fine too. ;P

So do I have to build spell or armor pen or Ambush/Impale?

Soulac

Protip: Don´t even try to use shadow cloak.

Araxleon

Soulac wrote: »

Protip: Don´t even try to use shadow cloak.

Soulac I was gonna update this a huge amount but formatting on ESO forums is a pain... you think its better to post here or tamerial foundry?

Araxleon

Also reason im taking long I needed to double check what every skill scales off of.

Soulac

Well more people reading it here i think..
If you need help, just ask me. I tested a lot of things..

Glantris

#IBWN2k14

Eonz

So on the defensive bar you run restoration staff, but on DPS bar do you also run restoration staff or..?

Araxleon

well no matter what you do you need to run resto on defensive bar. but you can use any weapon for your main bar. I have used resto,destro bow and sword & board. I use sword/board or another resto atm.
but honestly any weapon will do since almost all the skills on your offensive bar are class skills

Eonz

Thanks for the reply man! I'm really new to ESO, still learning how everything works. im DW right now, i know thats alot better for a stam weapon skill build, so that would be acceptable still? Eventhough im pure magicka build.

Samadhi

Eonz wrote: »

Thanks for the reply man! I'm really new to ESO, still learning how everything works. im DW right now, i know thats alot better for a stam weapon skill build, so that would be acceptable still? Eventhough im pure magicka build.

If you Dual Wield two swords you will get an increase in damage from the Twin Blade and Blunt passive that increases the damage of Magicka Class skills.
If you Dual Wield two daggers you will get an increase in Crit rate, which also applies to a number of Nightblade's Class skills, but has less benefit in PvP.
If you Dual Wield two maces, you will gain armour penetration, which should also impact Nightblade's class skills.

The increases are not huge, but it is better than getting nothing at all.

Personally favour One Hand and Shield for the passive bonuses to Block though.

Wreuntzylla

Question for you NB's.

Here is a log extract in 1 second of timestamp.

Ambush - 650
Concealed Weapon - 1441
Soul Harvest - 927
Impale - 657

I had block up and radiant magelight on. How is this ignoring block and radiant? I was not feared, or at least, no fear animation.

Two footnotes: (1) It's one and only one NB, with other NB's I get hit for 600 with block down, tops; and (2) in a 1sec timestamp window each of 3 times, 2sec a 4th time (with added heavy attack after impale).

I have been able to get 2400 ambush and 1100 concealed weapon testing in pve land using spellpower pot, inner light damage bonus, stygian damage bonus and ambush crit bonus. However, the best I've done in PvP is 800/600 - i'm also not getting through block or radiant.

The other thing is that I cannot get all 4 of those into a 1sec timestamp. I've squeezed it into a 3sec timestamp, but that's it.

Any thought would appreciated.

Poxheart

Folks have been reporting that block doesn't always work. That may explain the damage for concealed weapon & soul harvest.

650 ambush on a target with radiant magelight is much higher than I've been able to achieve. Typically what I've seen on my damage log is that the attack doesn't crit at all (even if attacking from behind & in stealth).

All those attacks to hit within 1 second is likely the result of lag more than anything else. I can get Ambush, Soul Harvest, Concealed to hit within 1 second in a non-lag opening, but not anything else.

Wreuntzylla

Yeah, I love radiant magelight. It gives you alot of breathing room. Most stealthers pop on me and then just run away after the first rotation.

Guildy thinks it bugs under certain circumstances. However, this is the only scenario I've run into where I've had to question whether or not it's working.

Kyotee0071

I really enjoyed this post, thank you @Araxleon - and other contributors.

I made a magicka based, melee breton nightblade last night. I'm curious as to what armors you suggest? Is your build more light armor based with a couple pieces of medium?

Of course I will have on a piece of each while leveling, but just curious overall what armor type you wear with the build.

Also while leveling I'm going 2/3/1 in attributes and eating magicka boost food. I'm using 1h/s - resto with pretty much all class skills. I'm loving it. I find class skills so much more interesting than stamina based skills. I'm a bit concerned on how to tackle harder bosses without much of a kiting ability at lower levels, but I'll adapt.

Araxleon

Hey I use 7/7 Light because it gets me the most out of my damage, shields and healing. I use warlock, Seducer and with my 1h/s I use torugs pact for the extra spell power.
That being said this build is mainly for PVP its "decent" for PVE but you would need to adjust some stuff.
Also Health,Magicka and Stamina just try to keep them all even personally I play with split stats of Magicka and stamina with 0 points in health this is to get the MOST outta the build but its extremely hard to play (0 points in health is what I do and i love it but its not easy)

morvegil

So what you're saying is Stamina builds suck

Araxleon

morvegil wrote: »

So what you're saying is Stamina builds suck

Not really, After reading 1.6 notes Im really happy about the changes! Stam builds will be stronger

AllPlayAndNoWork

1.6: Ambush: This ability now uses stamina instead of magicka, and applies the Minor Berserk buff on the next attack.

What a steaming pile of cack.

Araxleon

I believe hybrids are best overall.

Araxleon

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

1.6: Ambush: This ability now uses stamina instead of magicka, and applies the Minor Berserk buff on the next attack.

What a steaming pile of cack.

Im okay with that honestly. I can mange stamina so not a big deal + it says ambush maybe the other morph isnt stamina based.
though id prefer if overall they let you switch between stam and magicka

AllPlayAndNoWork

Araxleon wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

1.6: Ambush: This ability now uses stamina instead of magicka, and applies the Minor Berserk buff on the next attack.

What a steaming pile of cack.

Im okay with that honestly. I can mange stamina so not a big deal + it says ambush maybe the other morph isnt stamina based.
though id prefer if overall they let you switch between stam and magicka

Yeah....... But...

If all stamina abilities will now use the physical critical strike rating, and all magicka based abilities will use the spell critical strike rating, where does that leave Ambush ?

Its just handing more to Stam builds and taking away from Magicka builds.

pmn100b16_ESO

Fear now effects 3 instead of 2 targets and has had its cost reduced. Also duration down from 4 to 3 secs. Is this still going through block I wonder?

Araxleon

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Fear now effects 3 instead of 2 targets and has had its cost reduced. Also duration down from 4 to 3 secs. Is this still going through block I wonder?

It is they already said it last stream

pmn100b16_ESO

Araxleon wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Fear now effects 3 instead of 2 targets and has had its cost reduced. Also duration down from 4 to 3 secs. Is this still going through block I wonder?

It is they already said it last stream

Nice

frozywozy

Rylana wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

But Nightblade is not weak compared to other classes... we have a few broken skills other than that we are balanced...
Magicka builds are balanced across the board.

And you have showed your true agenda.
Sorry I have both a VR14 NB and a VR14 DK and man is the DK stronger. It is a fact. That doesn't mean that I can't kill DKs with my NB or I never get killed by NBs on the DK in 1v1 fights. The difference is obvious in the long run, in the kill streak lengths,the kdr and the overall AP I get.

No offense but you dont know how to play nightblade then. Nightblades are way stronger in 1v1. Its rare I know you barly see it but they are and yes DK are very flexible. but 1v1 wise and small scale a NB can win. People just like things simple on your DK you can hop on and kick ass. Nightblades aren't as simple.
Do people have no faith in Nightblade? I feel like people signed it off as "underpowed and useless" When it has many strengths.

1v1 1vx NBs are beast.. I can hang with the best of them and i never duel anymore. You try to help people out but they dont want to hear it unless your using a bow or wearing medium armor.

Suffice to say this is true in most cases, but the proper spec of medium/bow with all weapon damage is insane single target spike.

Not so much for groups, but a solo ganker is straight up lethal with that setup. Fast, hard hitting, and recovers quickly.

The problem with most nightblades that run that spec is they get caught out of stealth and owned because they have no survivability. No shield stacking, no real defense, and they wonder why they die.

A good single target spike ganker will never be seen, the mark is dead before they even know what hit them (til they read death recap), and by that time the NB is long long gone.

I legitimately wonder sometimes if half the people I kill in the above manner could have even reacted, ive seen DKs go from 3500 - 0 in a blink of an eye.

When I die, I know its because I screwed up or didnt see a second mark next to my primary that had the drop back on me. Bad positioning, getting greedy, screwing up the rotation, or just getting plain surprised by a gank group of 3 when I expected only 1, all the main reasons my ganker ever dies. Its not like med/bow is bad or anything mate.

I personally don't think that any build that let you kill someone with 3500hps in the blink of an eye exist. No matter how squishy you are in the end. The hard caps already in place should be based on certain boundaries.

If your opponent is properly built (amount of hps is already a good tip), you should not be able to kill him under 3seconds. Otherwise everyone go full cheesy mode and none nightblade classes who can't use an escape move such as stealth, streak, bolt escape have a big disadvantage.

And don't tell me L2RS. If I get someone to feed on me, I cannot cc break it and the archers can kill me instantly.

So you either fix the feed ability or you nerf the NB bow damage.

Poxheart

Araxleon wrote: »

AllPlayAndNoWork wrote: »

1.6: Ambush: This ability now uses stamina instead of magicka, and applies the Minor Berserk buff on the next attack.

What a steaming pile of cack.

Im okay with that honestly. I can mange stamina so not a big deal + it says ambush maybe the other morph isnt stamina based.
though id prefer if overall they let you switch between stam and magicka

Minor berserk is 8% damage increase on next attack. That's a huge nerf compared to what ambush does now, regardless of how stamina plays into the base damage of the skill. My NB build is dead with this change.

Chesimac

frozywozy wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

But Nightblade is not weak compared to other classes... we have a few broken skills other than that we are balanced...
Magicka builds are balanced across the board.

And you have showed your true agenda.
Sorry I have both a VR14 NB and a VR14 DK and man is the DK stronger. It is a fact. That doesn't mean that I can't kill DKs with my NB or I never get killed by NBs on the DK in 1v1 fights. The difference is obvious in the long run, in the kill streak lengths,the kdr and the overall AP I get.

No offense but you dont know how to play nightblade then. Nightblades are way stronger in 1v1. Its rare I know you barly see it but they are and yes DK are very flexible. but 1v1 wise and small scale a NB can win. People just like things simple on your DK you can hop on and kick ass. Nightblades aren't as simple.
Do people have no faith in Nightblade? I feel like people signed it off as "underpowed and useless" When it has many strengths.

1v1 1vx NBs are beast.. I can hang with the best of them and i never duel anymore. You try to help people out but they dont want to hear it unless your using a bow or wearing medium armor.

Suffice to say this is true in most cases, but the proper spec of medium/bow with all weapon damage is insane single target spike.

Not so much for groups, but a solo ganker is straight up lethal with that setup. Fast, hard hitting, and recovers quickly.

The problem with most nightblades that run that spec is they get caught out of stealth and owned because they have no survivability. No shield stacking, no real defense, and they wonder why they die.

A good single target spike ganker will never be seen, the mark is dead before they even know what hit them (til they read death recap), and by that time the NB is long long gone.

I legitimately wonder sometimes if half the people I kill in the above manner could have even reacted, ive seen DKs go from 3500 - 0 in a blink of an eye.

When I die, I know its because I screwed up or didnt see a second mark next to my primary that had the drop back on me. Bad positioning, getting greedy, screwing up the rotation, or just getting plain surprised by a gank group of 3 when I expected only 1, all the main reasons my ganker ever dies. Its not like med/bow is bad or anything mate.

I personally don't think that any build that let you kill someone with 3500hps in the blink of an eye exist. No matter how squishy you are in the end. The hard caps already in place should be based on certain boundaries.

If your opponent is properly built (amount of hps is already a good tip), you should not be able to kill him under 3seconds. Otherwise everyone go full cheesy mode and none nightblade classes who can't use an escape move such as stealth, streak, bolt escape have a big disadvantage.

And don't tell me L2RS. If I get someone to feed on me, I cannot cc break it and the archers can kill me instantly.

So you either fix the feed ability or you nerf the NB bow damage.

1. Feed getting fixed this update
2. Ambush Soul Harvest played right is way more spike damage than bow

TheBucket

Yea, I've been a Hybrid since 1.5 and now it's going to be insanely powerful. Especially with my Thirsty Build. Which will become way more famous in 1.6 after testing it in PTS. (-15 POTS, Regen)

Araxleon

TheBucket wrote: »

Yea, I've been a Hybrid since 1.5 and now it's going to be insanely powerful. Especially with my Thirsty Build. Which will become way more famous in 1.6 after testing it in PTS. (-15 POTS, Regen)

Ya know the potion passive got nerfed

Jbugz97

@araxleon I been goin thru forums alot lately and see from other you are one of the better nb mabye best ...you have any youtube video would love to see your NB in action.... i love NB got it to v14 try in pvp and i get killed to fast And i dont seem to kill enough i gave up on it & re rolled to dk its great and all but i still like nb better & wanna come back to that toon. ive alway played my nb magicka base . s/b with resto.