Invulnerability exploit.

JLB

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

JLB wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

zScars wrote: »

a certain set is doing this-wink-

I'm actually pretty sure its this set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Buffer+of+the+Swift+Set

The reason I think it is, is because they added the 5% damage reduction recently, and i'm pretty sure we got another case of a bad decimal point

You mean 50.0% instead of 5.0%? That'd be hilarious.
Actually, I used that set before and never got such a high mitigation. Haven't tried it since update 3 though.

try it out

if its not that one, it might be Desert Rose

Humm, well Desert Rose is very hard to find in v12, i don't know how a v4 could get a full set.
I would try Buffer set out, but I'm on vacation and don't have the slightly interest in playing such a bugged game right now... also, the camping wifi doesn't help.

Xsorus

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

JLB wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

zScars wrote: »

a certain set is doing this-wink-

I'm actually pretty sure its this set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Buffer+of+the+Swift+Set

The reason I think it is, is because they added the 5% damage reduction recently, and i'm pretty sure we got another case of a bad decimal point

You mean 50.0% instead of 5.0%? That'd be hilarious.
Actually, I used that set before and never got such a high mitigation. Haven't tried it since update 3 though.

try it out

if its not that one, it might be Desert Rose

It's neither. The numbers don't add up. It's way more than 50%. You can combine set bonuses to increase mitigation while in mistform so you could combine those sets with the cheat but you still need the mistform cheat.

I'm pretty sure its the set I listed, I just tried it in pvp.. and it seemed like a noticeable damage reduction

Remember, the rest of the mitigation is coming from Vampire, which is 33%

so 83% mitigation base... that seems about what i've been seeing these guys have.

Xsorus

If you're a vampire, please buy that suit and test it in PvP, i'm not a vampire and don't feel like becoming one just to est it out.

Its fairly cheap

Maulkin

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

If you're a vampire, please buy that suit and test it in PvP, i'm not a vampire and don't feel like becoming one just to est it out.

Its fairly cheap

You talking about a vamp with buffer of the swift set?

I can test that now

Dleatherus

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

JLB wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

zScars wrote: »

a certain set is doing this-wink-

I'm actually pretty sure its this set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Buffer+of+the+Swift+Set

The reason I think it is, is because they added the 5% damage reduction recently, and i'm pretty sure we got another case of a bad decimal point

You mean 50.0% instead of 5.0%? That'd be hilarious.
Actually, I used that set before and never got such a high mitigation. Haven't tried it since update 3 though.

try it out

if its not that one, it might be Desert Rose

It's neither. The numbers don't add up. It's way more than 50%. You can combine set bonuses to increase mitigation while in mistform so you could combine those sets with the cheat but you still need the mistform cheat.

I'm pretty sure its the set I listed, I just tried it in pvp.. and it seemed like a noticeable damage reduction

Remember, the rest of the mitigation is coming from Vampire, which is 33%

so 83% mitigation base... that seems about what i've been seeing these guys have.

hrmmm - we've been seeing way more than that

if the player had an amazing amount of health - let's use 4,000 HP to give nice high numbers

at 2% health when 8 of us were wailing on him and he was stunned on the ground would have him at 80 health

all 8 of us were unloading all we had on him including soul assaults, venom arrows, crystal frags etc - let's say an average of 500 damage each = 4000 damage

4000 damage with a damage mitigation of 83% = 680 damage going through vs. the 80 health he had

math still ain't working for me on this one if it was a legitimate use of that set plus vampire mitigation

D.

JLB

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

JLB wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

zScars wrote: »

a certain set is doing this-wink-

I'm actually pretty sure its this set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Buffer+of+the+Swift+Set

The reason I think it is, is because they added the 5% damage reduction recently, and i'm pretty sure we got another case of a bad decimal point

You mean 50.0% instead of 5.0%? That'd be hilarious.
Actually, I used that set before and never got such a high mitigation. Haven't tried it since update 3 though.

try it out

if its not that one, it might be Desert Rose

It's neither. The numbers don't add up. It's way more than 50%. You can combine set bonuses to increase mitigation while in mistform so you could combine those sets with the cheat but you still need the mistform cheat.

I'm pretty sure its the set I listed, I just tried it in pvp.. and it seemed like a noticeable damage reduction

Remember, the rest of the mitigation is coming from Vampire, which is 33%

so 83% mitigation base... that seems about what i've been seeing these guys have.

But the +33% mitigation is only effective when below 50% Health. That wouldn't explain the total immunity you see on that templar in the video, when he is full Health. He is mitigating way more than 50%.

EDIT: and also, take a close look. Only after he uses Mist Form his Health drops down like crazy. Let's say normally.
But before he uses Mist Form he has that silly mitigation. Maybe using Mist Form breaks the mitigation buff he had previously.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

I've hit them when they've been at full health without shields and seen 25% expected damage, consistently. This will increase as their health lowers but, even at full health, they're getting 75% mitigation. That's mistform cheating. It's pretty simple.

Xsorus

JLB wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

JLB wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

zScars wrote: »

a certain set is doing this-wink-

I'm actually pretty sure its this set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Buffer+of+the+Swift+Set

The reason I think it is, is because they added the 5% damage reduction recently, and i'm pretty sure we got another case of a bad decimal point

You mean 50.0% instead of 5.0%? That'd be hilarious.
Actually, I used that set before and never got such a high mitigation. Haven't tried it since update 3 though.

try it out

if its not that one, it might be Desert Rose

It's neither. The numbers don't add up. It's way more than 50%. You can combine set bonuses to increase mitigation while in mistform so you could combine those sets with the cheat but you still need the mistform cheat.

I'm pretty sure its the set I listed, I just tried it in pvp.. and it seemed like a noticeable damage reduction

Remember, the rest of the mitigation is coming from Vampire, which is 33%

so 83% mitigation base... that seems about what i've been seeing these guys have.

But the +33% mitigation is only effective when below 50% Health. That wouldn't explain the total immunity you see on that templar in the video, when he is full Health. He is mitigating way more than 50%.

That's where Harness Magicka comes in

I think that's why you're seeing immunity between the two. If they're getting 50% damage reduction from just that, plus harness magicka damage reduction, they won't take very much damage.

I mean I could very well be wrong on this....

Xsorus

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

If you're a vampire, please buy that suit and test it in PvP, i'm not a vampire and don't feel like becoming one just to est it out.

Its fairly cheap

You talking about a vamp with buffer of the swift set?

I can test that now

Yes, please go out and test for me..I only have buffer of swift set, i don't have vampire.

Maulkin

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

If you're a vampire, please buy that suit and test it in PvP, i'm not a vampire and don't feel like becoming one just to est it out.

Its fairly cheap

You talking about a vamp with buffer of the swift set?

I can test that now

Yes, please go out and test for me..I only have buffer of swift set, i don't have vampire.

For the record, I'm blaming you for my deaths



...nope, buffer of swift and vampirism it's not

Xsorus

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

If you're a vampire, please buy that suit and test it in PvP, i'm not a vampire and don't feel like becoming one just to est it out.

Its fairly cheap

You talking about a vamp with buffer of the swift set?

I can test that now

Yes, please go out and test for me..I only have buffer of swift set, i don't have vampire.

For the record, I'm blaming you for my deaths



...nope, buffer of swift and vampirism it's not

lol alright.. well that was my theory

Maulkin

Does anyone know, does undeath stack with mistform?

So basically if my health has dropped to say 25-30% and I go into mistform right before an enemy starts spamming Impulse next to me, how much damage do I take?

Does 33% from undeath stack with 75% from mistform to basically stop you from taking any dmg at all?

Makkir

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

There is a Vampire Mistform exploit that many people are using. I have video of 4 people (all on EP on Thornblade) who are definitely exploiting it. One is a VR4 Templar, A VR8 Sorc, A VR3 Sorc, and a VR12 Sorc.

It's only going to get worse and instead of acknowledging this exploit and saying they're aware of an working on it they closed the thread for "Naming and shaming".

Email me the proof. I own a shaming site called EDO (Elder *** online).
If you want, send to esodbags@gmail.com

Columba

Any other ideas? Keep brainstorming. There must be a legitimate explanation. Moderators, we humbly implore that you communicate with us a about this.

Ezareth

Makkir wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

There is a Vampire Mistform exploit that many people are using. I have video of 4 people (all on EP on Thornblade) who are definitely exploiting it. One is a VR4 Templar, A VR8 Sorc, A VR3 Sorc, and a VR12 Sorc.

It's only going to get worse and instead of acknowledging this exploit and saying they'

Email me the proof. I own a shaming site called EDO (Elder *** online).
If you want, send to esodbags@gmail.com

The proof is in the video. If you look at my fight with the Templar you can see one point where my velocious curse hits her for full damage. This happened right after she mistformed which I assume was her screwing up the events/ macro required to apply the exploit. I've seen this happen with the Sorc player as well. This tells us one important thing....this isn't a set bonus bug it is ability based. The Sorc player was doing this before 1.3 so it has nothing to do with recent changes/sets.

Additionally I've calculated the mitigation and it isn't the same as mistform. Mistform is a hair over 75% mitigation. I verified with last night extensively. The exploiters have a hair under 69% mitigation when at full health. It is exactly the same for all three of them. Since I don't know the algorithm for undeath I'm not certain exactly how it stacks with undeath but I'm assuming it is additive(like everything else in this buggy game) with it since at 1-2% they are practically invulnerable.

If you watch my YouTube videos you can clearly see the damage numbers.

Makkir

I couldn't get videos to populate at work, but I got it now. Do you care if your name is mentioned?

Asgari

Is there any reason this guy is still playing? its utter *** that he is banned yet. How on earth do we all pay $15 a month and videos are out SHOWING he is blatantly cheating, yet nothing is done.

Thanks for the GREAT work ZOS!

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Columba

my guild is losing confidence at this point. sadly they are looking closely at archage because nothing is being done about this.

Asgari

Columba wrote: »

my guild is losing confidence at this point. sadly they are looking closely at archage because nothing is being done about this.

speaking to him in game he laughs and says a GM spoke to him and didnt care. TBH it is probably true.

Ezareth

Makkir wrote: »

I couldn't get videos to populate at work, but I got it now. Do you care if your name is mentioned?

Go for it. They could delete my account for all I care at this point. There is yet another exploiting player that I'm dealing with using the max speed exploit. I'm posting video of that player up on my youtube account as well.

I've been dealing with nothing but exploits in PVP for the majority of the the game and Zenimax does nothing about it but the flipping moment you mention someone's name in a forum post...they sure jump all over it and close it due to "Naming and shaming". Cheating in their game is perfectly acceptable, but don't you dare mention the name of the person doing....you might hurt someone's feelings or some such nonsense..

NadiusMaximus

So start posting how to do it. they would have to comment, because they can't ban everyone on the forum, there would only be the cheaters left and and that wouldn't go over well. , ,

Maulkin

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

There is one moment where I hit her for full damage with my velocious curse so it isn't up 100% of the time but there are other moments where I'm hitting her with no shields for zero damage.

The triple crit streak at the end is very telling. Look at the damage numbers...

[snip]
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I'm watching that vid again and again and there's only one part I don't get. Here are the phases of the combat:
1) You meet the player around 3-4 seconds in and he dodges the first 1-2 attacks. When you hit him with the first Wrath it crits for 108 which means non-crit around 72, which is also what happens later in the vid. That's around 25% of what you'd expect
2) 10 secs in he puts up Annulment. In the period 10''-30'' you do no damage which is what I'd expect
3) His annulment comes down at 30'' in. In the period 30''-40'' you still do no damage.
4) 40'' to end, your Curse does 171 and your mages wrath does 68 which is about 25% of what you'd expect.

My theory goes as such:
If you manage to bug mistform you get 75% reduced damage, that's phase 1. If you stack annulment on top for 50% reduced damage from spells that's stacks to a total 125% damage mitigation. This means no damage at all from spells during Annulment, that's phase 2.

Phase 3 makes no sense, I don't know why he keeps 100% mitigation 10 secs after Annulment's gone down and why precisely for 10 secs. This part confuses the hell outta me.

Phase 4 is a clear indication of Undeath being the buggy, crappy passive we all know it to be. If Undeath worked and stacked with Mistform correctly, his mitigation would be at 33% + 75% = 108% which would lead him to not take any damage. This matches what people have reported to happen some times, players stop taking damage when their health drops.

I don't know if there are any sets that trigger a bug in skills or passives but the only damage mitigation in the whole game comes from:

1. Mist Form (75%)
2. Undeath (33%)
3. Annulment (50% to spells)
4. PvP Armor sets (5%)
5. Blocking and Spell Res or Armor

We know it can't be the last one, cause in all the videos players a) don't block and b) spell penetration currently completely invalidates all spell res. It can only be a combination of the top 4. Some of them clearly stack with mist form to push mitigation above 100%. I think the only thing they manage to do is bug mistform mitigation so it stays on. That's the core of the exploit, the rest are just normal mitigations stacked from skills or passives

I'm creating a list of test scenarios for the weekend. Finger's crossed, I'll find the [snip]...

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Grim13

Spent the last 45 minutes fighting 6 EP shield stack / mitigation abusers... took 24 of us numerous tries... they having wiped us several times.

IMO, this is going to reach caltrop level obnoxiousness if ZOS don't find a fix and fast!

It's disgusting watching players take all the skill and enjoyment out of the game because they're selfish [snip]

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Ezareth

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Here is another uploaded video from that group. This is the templar I was talking about. There is one moment where I hit her for full damage with my velocious curse so it isn't up 100% of the time but there are other moments where I'm hitting her with no shields for zero damage.

The triple crit streak at the end is very telling. Look at the damage numbers...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=kqxB6WPf9hk&feature=youtu.be

I'm watching that vid again and again and there's only one part I don't get. Here are the phases of the combat:
1) You meet the player around 3-4 seconds in and he dodges the first 1-2 attacks. When you hit him with the first Wrath it crits for 108 which means non-crit around 72, which is also what happens later in the vid. That's around 25% of what you'd expect
2) 10 secs in he puts up Annulment. In the period 10''-30'' you do no damage which is what I'd expect
3) His annulment comes down at 30'' in. In the period 30''-40'' you still do no damage.
4) 40'' to end, your Curse does 171 and your mages wrath does 68 which is about 25% of what you'd expect.

My theory goes as such:
If you manage to bug mistform you get 75% reduced damage, that's phase 1. If you stack annulment on top for 50% reduced damage from spells that's stacks to a total 125% damage mitigation. This means no damage at all from spells during Annulment, that's phase 2.

Phase 3 makes no sense, I don't know why he keeps 100% mitigation 10 secs after Annulment's gone down and why precisely for 10 secs. This part confuses the hell outta me.

Phase 4 is a clear indication of Undeath being the buggy, crappy passive we all know it to be. If Undeath worked and stacked with Mistform correctly, his mitigation would be at 33% + 75% = 108% which would lead him to not take any damage. This matches what people have reported to happen some times, players stop taking damage when their health drops.

I don't know if there are any sets that trigger a bug in skills or passives but the only damage mitigation in the whole game comes from:

1. Mist Form (75%)
2. Undeath (33%)
3. Annulment (50% to spells)
4. PvP Armor sets (5%)
5. Blocking and Spell Res or Armor

We know it can't be the last one, cause in all the videos players a) don't block and b) spell penetration currently completely invalidates all spell res. It can only be a combination of the top 4. Some of them clearly stack with mist form to push mitigation above 100%. I think the only thing they manage to do is bug mistform mitigation so it stays on. That's the core of the exploit, the rest are just normal mitigations stacked from skills or passives

I'm creating a list of test scenarios for the weekend. Finger's crossed, I'll find the [snip]
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...

Great analysis with a couple things things I'd like to correct you on, otherwise you've come to pretty much the same conclusion as I have.

My Mages wrath will hit ANY vampire above 50% health for exactly 228. It crits for 342. This works out to roughly 68.5% mitigation, not 75%. I've test the hits and crits against a vampire on mistform and it's like 75.2% mitigation.

The bonus is also being applied through shields (I haven't had a chance to see if mistform impacts damage taken to shields or not). Annulment on a VR4 Templar is probably less than 300 for the shield which means it can absorb just under 600 damage. You can see before she mistforms she casts annulment twice, yet I hit her with multiple fragments (a single one of which would wipe out any annulment on a normal player).

The other thing I noticed is she ended her mistform very quicklly and was holding block when she did so. I'm assuming this exploit has something to do with animation cancelling and ability while mistformed. I'm assuming the sorc player does it with a macro, he was always a huge animation canceller from day one so that would make sense if he discovered a way to animation cancel mistform with another ability.

The last thing I noticed that was odd is after she mistformed and my triple crit streak killed her my mages wrath HIT her for 69....which is the same damage it hit her for the entire time when she was near 100% health which tells me undeath has some kind of role her. It is as if undeath is being applied to the player or possibly DOUBLE undeath 100% of the time. Not sure.

Armitas

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

zScars wrote: »

a certain set is doing this-wink-

I'm actually pretty sure its this set
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Buffer+of+the+Swift+Set

The reason I think it is, is because they added the 5% damage reduction recently, and i'm pretty sure we got another case of a bad decimal point

I've used that set for months and I die just fine. It's either something else or someones found a way to bug it out so it keeps stacking as if you are wearing 20 sets of it. Much like the buff stacking of the past through a certain mage guild ability.

leejohn85b16_ESO

Just to make you aware Eza, if you block straight after casting mistform you reappear and are able to use abilities.

Maulkin

To be honest, if I find what the exploit is I will publish it through every medium available to me: this forum, reddit, youtube, tamrielfoundry etc. I would make sure everyone knows how to run it if they want to.

It's not a threat or blackmail, I would have no personal gain from such action. Instead I'd be hoping that by making the problem 100x more obvious than it currently is, it will force ZOS to either deal with it immediately or face a huge customer loss. Hopefully that will be the kick up the backside they need to start taking threads like this more seriously and respond in timely and appropriate fashion.

EvilEmpire

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Is there any reason this guy [snip] is still playing? its utter *** that he is banned yet. How on earth do we all pay $15 a month and videos are out SHOWING he is blatantly cheating, yet nothing is done.

Thanks for the GREAT work ZOS!

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This is insane. I saw this player last night during a keep raid and there were literally 20 people blasting him, and he looked like he was just afk and absolutely could not be killed. I just wonder how many other of his teammates are doing the same thing.

Has ZOS ever even bothered to at least acknowledge that this exploit even exists? It's getting real *** old.

JLB

leejohn85b16_ESO wrote: »

Just to make you aware Eza, if you block straight after casting mistform you reappear and are able to use abilities.

AFAIK if you block while casting Mist Form, you cancel it.
When doing this you might still see the Mist Form's icon as if it's running, but it's just a visual bug.

Maulkin

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

My Mages wrath will hit ANY vampire above 50% health for exactly 228. It crits for 342. This works out to roughly 68.5% mitigation, not 75%. I've test the hits and crits against a vampire on mistform and it's like 75.2% mitigation.

Damn. It's close, but it's not right is it

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

The bonus is also being applied through shields (I haven't had a chance to see if mistform impacts damage taken to shields or not). Annulment on a VR4 Templar is probably less than 300 for the shield which means it can absorb just under 600 damage. You can see before she mistforms she casts annulment twice, yet I hit her with multiple fragments (a single one of which would wipe out any annulment on a normal player).

I'm not certain if mistform mitigation applies to shields, but whatever mitigation that templar had applied on her definitely stacked with annulment, which is why your damage dropped to 0 for the duration of annulment. If mist form doesn't stack with annulment then it pretty clearly means mistform is not the source of this exploit.

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

The other thing I noticed is she ended her mistform very quicklly and was holding block when she did so. I'm assuming this exploit has something to do with animation cancelling and ability while mistformed. I'm assuming Blinxey does it with a macro, he was always a huge animation canceller from day one so that would make sense if he discovered a way to animation cancel mistform with another ability.

Exiting mistform via block is very common and on its own does not bug the mistform damage mitigation. I've haven't purposefully tested it with an intention to bug it (which I will), but I used to do it on my DK to exit mistform and shield charge and the mitgation never stayed with me.

Another thing to remember is that mistforming while "in combat" stops your magicka regen. So if [snip] and his copycats were running a macro that animation cancels mistform, they would be out of magicka within secs of combat. Unless of course the way they bug it keeps the mitigation but returns your magicka regen to you.

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

The last thing I noticed that was odd is after she mistformed and my triple crit streak killed her my mages wrath HIT her for 69....which is the same damage it hit her for the entire time when she was near 100% health which tells me undeath has some kind of role her. It is as if undeath is being applied to the player or possibly DOUBLE undeath 100% of the time. Not sure.

Double Undeath is a max of 66% mitigation, which is closer to 68.5% than 75% is but it's still not right. Also my experiences with Undeath as a vampire have been rather negative. To be more precise, I've rarely experienced it apply on me.

I've posted a screenshot further up of my death recap when testing Buffer of the Swift set. I was testing that on my vamp Sorc. The last two blows that killed me were a clouding swarm hit (277) and a dagger light attack (213). Needless to say 500hp is below my 30% but as you see the hits have almost 0 mitigation applied to them, let alone the 33% that undeath should be applying.

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