Extremely Disappointed - Storm Atranoch Nerf

Maverick827

The Storm Atronach no longer taunts the target it is attacking.

I am extremely disappointed that this change made it to live and that none of the great suggestions from the PTS forum were even acknowledged or considered.

My Sorcorer tank now has no useful ultimate for tanking bosses. The Storm Atranoch wasn't even near as useful for tanking as Magma Armor, Dragonknight Standard, Veil of Blades, Nova, etc., but at least it was something.

I can't help but feel annoyed that this change was made most likely at the behest of one of your "hardcore" pet guilds at the expense of the rest of us.

Please click "Agree" or "LOL" below if you agree.

jambam817_ESO

Thats pretty stupid.... As an Orc Sorcerer, I agree!!!!

ThisOnePosts

My main is a NB, but I do have each of the classes and a Sorc almost at VR12. I don't always use Storm Atro when soloing since I've been working on leveling up several different ultis... however, it makes no sense why the enemy would keep aggro on you when a Storm Atro is present. So a Clannfear can get aggro, but a Storm Atro can not? It's not going to change how I play, my Sorc is very aggressive whether it be in PVP or PVE. However, there is no good common sense to the change for Sorcs that like to play fairly standard for the class (I consider how I play my Sorc, out of the norm based on how I see other's run theirs).

theyancey

Dunno why anyone would expect a finger waggler to be a tank anyways.

Garion

Yeah I wondered why they made this change. I don't use SA any more, but it was a life saver in PvE. Would be interested to hear the reasoning behind this change.

Nestor

Wait, the whole reason I can play my Sorc solo is the Storm Atronach Taunt. Why else would I use it?

Thanks for making an Ultimate Ability useless.

crislevin

Garion wrote: »

Yeah I wondered why they made this change. I don't use SA any more, but it was a life saver in PvE. Would be interested to hear the reasoning behind this change.

somebody mentioned when multiple SA are dropped, it creates a chaotic scenario,

Trouvo

just because he doesnt outright taunt doesnt mean he doesnt steal aggro, aggro will still work the same just not "Atronach takes all the attention"

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Wasn't all that shocked. Didn't they do the same thing to the NBs Shades not so long ago? Although one is a ultimate and one is a normal class skill, they don't seem to like the non-permanent type pets holding agro while they are out.

But maybe i am remembering wrong or just cornfused.

Xnemesis

Maybe they should have a morph that allows you to use it again to activate a taunt? similar to the way a NB can port to their shades upon second use.

Kvasir Silverpaw

Sorc is supposed to be a "glass cannon", How the hell can any pet/summoned thing of a Sorc not taunt. Another nerf to placate people instead of just making nightblades better.

Dont change the game for the small % chance you are in a battle with "multiple SA". I bet this accounts for 1% or less of total encounters so poo poo on that excuse.

Inversus

My atronach may not be taunting, but he certainly takes some of the heat away from me still

eventide03b14a_ESO

theyancey wrote: »

Dunno why anyone would expect a finger waggler to be a tank anyways.

I didn't realize that sorcerers where not intended to tank. My assumption was that any class could tank and that was the whole point of allowing any class to wear heavy armor and use any weapon they want. It seems pointless to allow sorcerers to use heavy armor and sword and shield if they were not meant to tank. I think ZOS should restrict sorcerers from this immediately as it was clearly not their intention.

ThoradinBloodfire

sorry i like it. Sorcers shouldn't be tanks. You guys are already are OP.

Armann

Kvasir Silverpaw wrote: »

Sorc is supposed to be a "glass cannon", How the hell can any pet/summoned thing of a Sorc not taunt. Another nerf to placate people instead of just making nightblades better.

Dont change the game for the small % chance you are in a battle with "multiple SA". I bet this accounts for 1% or less of total encounters so poo poo on that excuse.

NB can already do alot better solo against CC immune bosses in public dungeons and overland bosses with the help of Shadow Cloak which doesn't require ultimate to sustain. If the argument was unfairness towards non-Sorcerers incapability to tackle these mobs then by all rights should Shadow Cloak suffer the same fate in "fairness". I'm not complaining though, I currently play a NB and left my Sorcerer behind.

Maverick827

ThoradinBloodfire wrote: »

sorry i like it. Sorcers shouldn't be tanks. You guys are already are OP.

Who is allowed to be tanks, then?

Also, why?

Esha76

I'll be honest, I'm surprised that's all they nerfed. My stormie is my Oh [snip] button. I drop that thing on nastie's heads and it's over, every time.

Don't get me wrong, I love having him the way he is and don't want any changes, but I'm shocked he hasn't been nerfed harder. I expect the day will come, sooner than later, he will be nerfed again.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

ThoradinBloodfire

Maverick827 wrote: »

ThoradinBloodfire wrote: »

sorry i like it. Sorcers shouldn't be tanks. You guys are already are OP.

Who is allowed to be tanks, then?

Also, why?

S&B imo. to uses what exists as a template. Hunter pets were never raid quality tanks, same with lock demons. I like it for solo content, but end game, or near that it shouldn't be.

Class balance. The issue is heavily lopsided toward sorc's. Needs major balance. this is a step in the right direction. You might as well be the Dragonborn. But since it's your class, i can see why you would want the goldlike powers you posess removed. IMO you can do everything really well.

I think the class needs more penalties. Like when casting, if you get hit, your cast time slows. i.e you get dumber. sort of like real life. When i used to train, the saying was whatever level you are, reduce it by a level every time you get hit. Its true. before you know it things that are basic almost become hard. Which is why people train so it becomes instinct. I think casting should be like that. But when you do get spells off, they should be a bit more powerful than they are now.

Elsonso

I also tend to drop SA when the PVE tide is against me in order to get a quick break to restore health and magicka. We will have to see if this change means that I die more easily in solo places where I am getting mobbed or am up against a boss that is stronger than I was anticipating.

c0rp

This was changed to make trial people happy. It completely screws over people who solo sorcs for sure. This is a BAD change. I can understand why they wanted to change it for trials...but there were better ways to do the change. ZoS dropped the ball on this change imo.

Holycannoli

I'm not at all happy about it. My understanding is that some trials players complained about too many atronachs taunting or something.

What this is is a major nerf for me. This fixes nothing for me and is ONLY a major nerf.

Phantax

another epic screw-up, lets face are we really surprised ?

:O

Aeratus

Garion wrote: »

Yeah I wondered why they made this change. I don't use SA any more, but it was a life saver in PvE. Would be interested to hear the reasoning behind this change.

The reason is that some people (mainly trials players) want the storm atronach to be a dps, not a tank.

This change allows the storm atronach to avoid aggro more easily, so that it can stay alive longer to do more damage.

Maverick827

ThoradinBloodfire wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

ThoradinBloodfire wrote: »

sorry i like it. Sorcers shouldn't be tanks. You guys are already are OP.

Who is allowed to be tanks, then?

Also, why?

S&B imo. to uses what exists as a template. Hunter pets were never raid quality tanks, same with lock demons. I like it for solo content, but end game, or near that it shouldn't be.

Class balance. The issue is heavily lopsided toward sorc's. Needs major balance. this is a step in the right direction. You might as well be the Dragonborn. But since it's your class, i can see why you would want the goldlike powers you posess removed. IMO you can do everything really well.

I think the class needs more penalties. Like when casting, if you get hit, your cast time slows. i.e you get dumber. sort of like real life. When i used to train, the saying was whatever level you are, reduce it by a level every time you get hit. Its true. before you know it things that are basic almost become hard. Which is why people train so it becomes instinct. I think casting should be like that. But when you do get spells off, they should be a bit more powerful than they are now.

I believe you are vastly misinformed.

My Sorcorer tanks with a sword and shield. The Atranoch itself is not anywhere near the primary tank. My character is the tank. The Atranoch is used essentially as a barrier, something to take some hits for a while in case of emergency.

I'm not going to address the rest of your post because it's just unsubstantiated, biased claims of class imbalance.

Maverick827

Aeratus wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Yeah I wondered why they made this change. I don't use SA any more, but it was a life saver in PvE. Would be interested to hear the reasoning behind this change.

The reason is that some people (mainly trials players) want the storm atronach to be a dps, not a tank.

This change allows the storm atronach to avoid aggro more easily, so that it can stay alive longer to do more damage.

Why are those people more important?

Anastasia

Maverick827 wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Yeah I wondered why they made this change. I don't use SA any more, but it was a life saver in PvE. Would be interested to hear the reasoning behind this change.

The reason is that some people (mainly trials players) want the storm atronach to be a dps, not a tank.

This change allows the storm atronach to avoid aggro more easily, so that it can stay alive longer to do more damage.

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Why are those people more important?

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*Shrugs, puzzled ... must be like when the solo-all-the-time-through-all-content people demanded the nerf in Vet+ 1-10 content. *Nods with compassion.

Aeratus

Maverick827 wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Yeah I wondered why they made this change. I don't use SA any more, but it was a life saver in PvE. Would be interested to hear the reasoning behind this change.

The reason is that some people (mainly trials players) want the storm atronach to be a dps, not a tank.

This change allows the storm atronach to avoid aggro more easily, so that it can stay alive longer to do more damage.

Why are those people more important?

Let's put it this way -- ZOS intentionally designed a mechanism in which you get a spam message notifying you of trial completion times, so that you are kept well apprised of the glory of trial players. Therefore, they are important because ZOS thinks they are important.

Probitas

Maybe they spend more money to play the game? Wait a min.....that's not possible.

Strictly speaking, the SA is a sorceror ultimate and should grab aggro the moment it's dropped, like the other summons. Those sorcs using it use it to increase their own survivability in combat. I don't know if it was ever meant to be purely dps. How does this effect other parts of the game? Was that even a concern that was addressed before this was adopted?

KariTR

Esha76 wrote: »

I'll be honest, I'm surprised that's all they nerfed. My stormie is my Oh [snip] button. I drop that thing on nastie's heads and it's over, every time.

Don't get me wrong, I love having him the way he is and don't want any changes, but I'm shocked he hasn't been nerfed harder. I expect the day will come, sooner than later, he will be nerfed again.

They are fine if you are being hit but since the pet control was added I find them less optimal. If I forget to Y target, he will just stand there like a big dummy and will only turn on hostile creatures if they specifically target me.

The clanny also decides to become a pacifist too often these days, which results in a repeated unsummon, resummon until you find one that doesn't have a conscience. Daedric help these days, tsk.

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Maverick827

Aeratus wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Yeah I wondered why they made this change. I don't use SA any more, but it was a life saver in PvE. Would be interested to hear the reasoning behind this change.

The reason is that some people (mainly trials players) want the storm atronach to be a dps, not a tank.

This change allows the storm atronach to avoid aggro more easily, so that it can stay alive longer to do more damage.

Why are those people more important?

Let's put it this way -- ZOS intentionally designed a mechanism in which you get a spam message notifying you of trial completion times, so that you are kept well apprised of the glory of trial players. Therefore, they are important because ZOS thinks they are important.

Hopefuy they can learn from every other MMO in history* and not pander to the 1% before it's too late.

*Except for EVE. That game bafflingly still exists.

fredarbonab14_ESO

I like the change, it adds more strategy/things to consider and all sorcerers need to play (gasp) - smarter. As is they are way ahead of the power curve.