Any Way for Existing Customers to get the Whiterun Wolfhound?

Mitharus

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

all of your examples would be acceptable and are quite possible. No one would unsub from those places because of that.

Sadly, I know they are possible. I don't know about acceptable, but that's up to each person to decide.

The overall issue, is how you rectify the statements of "entire game" and "exclusive content" ... they're mutually exclusive. You cannot pay a subscription to access the "entire game" when they are also doing "exclusive content". It is just not possible.

That is what I have an issue with.

-M

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Mitharus wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

all of your examples would be acceptable and are quite possible. No one would unsub from those places because of that.

Sadly, I know they are possible. I don't know about acceptable, but that's up to each person to decide.

The overall issue, is how you rectify the statements of "entire game" and "exclusive content" ... they're mutually exclusive. You cannot pay a subscription to access the "entire game" when they are also doing "exclusive content". It is just not possible.

That is what I have an issue with.

-M

I think you are just splitting hairs and playing semantics personally.

andrantos

ZOS surprises us with an expansion to be released in 3 months. New players get the base game and the expansion for a low price of 29.99.

Current players still have to purchase the expansion for 29.99.

So now instead of a fluff pet, they're doing it with a whole expansions worth of content.

Should I be upset then?

Surfinginhawaii

I think the pets are kind of irritating, they get in the way and they don't help when you're about to be killed. I would definitely sell mine.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

andrantos wrote: »

ZOS surprises us with an expansion to be released in 3 months. New players get the base game and the expansion for a low price of 29.99.

Current players still have to purchase the expansion for 29.99.

So now instead of a fluff pet, they're doing it with a whole expansions worth of content.

Should I be upset then?

yea I suppose, since that is actually not what they offered or said they would do (I don't care how you spin it, a pet is simply not legit content.)

Though most games actually do it that way.

Mitharus

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I think you are just splitting hairs and playing semantics personally.

Perhaps I am. But I only had the statements made, and what I thought of the game during the Beta sessions I was in, to decide on if I was going to get the game and subscribe.

When their actions are now going against the statements that were made, I believe that I should voice my opinion on it until the release a statement on what was meant when "you pay once per month after the first 30 days and the entire game is available to you" was said.

I mean, I know I may have strange definitions for some things, but "entire" seems pretty cut and dry to me.

-M

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Mitharus wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I think you are just splitting hairs and playing semantics personally.

Perhaps I am. But I only had the statements made, and what I thought of the game during the Beta sessions I was in, to decide on if I was going to get the game and subscribe.

When their actions are now going against the statements that were made, I believe that I should voice my opinion on it until the release a statement on what was meant when "you pay once per month after the first 30 days and the entire game is available to you" was said.

I mean, I know I may have strange definitions for some things, but "entire" seems pretty cut and dry to me.

-M

I don't think they could have seen a promotional virtual dog offer not being handed to everyone would make players think they were being deprived of "content".

Anyway, I doubt they will respond more on it than they have. So it's just a matter of how cheated you feel exactly. still worth $15 a month? then move on and keep playing, otherwise unsub.

andrantos

So all of my exclusive preorder and collectors edition content should be made accessible to everyone?

The treasure maps... The pets... The imperial race...?

Those would fall in the scope of your definition of the "entire" game.

Mitharus

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

yea I suppose, since that is actually not what they offered or said they would do (I don't care how you spin it, a pet is simply not legit content.)

Though most games actually do it that way.

Ahhh.... I think I see. You don't see the pets as game content. Or at least "real" content.

con·tent
/ˈkänˌtent/

noun
1. the things that are held or included in something.

So, since the Pets are contained within the game, i.e. the models, etc... are on everyones machines, does that not make them content within the game?

-M

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Mitharus wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

yea I suppose, since that is actually not what they offered or said they would do (I don't care how you spin it, a pet is simply not legit content.)

Though most games actually do it that way.

Ahhh.... I think I see. You don't see the pets as game content. Or at least "real" content.

con·tent
/ˈkänˌtent/

noun
1. the things that are held or included in something.

So, since the Pets are contained within the game, i.e. the models, etc... are on everyones machines, does that not make them content within the game?

-M

this argument has been debated ad nauseum. I'm not going to bother getting in to what is or isn't content in a game, since that definition is vague at best. As I said it's also a matter of semantics and not a valid argument imo.

Mitharus

andrantos wrote: »

So all of my exclusive preorder and collectors edition content should be made accessible to everyone?

The treasure maps... The pets... The imperial race...?

Those would fall in the scope of your definition of the "entire" game.

As someone who pre-ordered the CE; Truthfully, yes I would like to see that, but I don't think it will happen.

The CE content was specifically that, content for those that shelled out the money for the Collectors Edition. Anyone could have got it (assuming they wanted to spend the money), but no one was explicit blocked from it except, in the physical copies, the number made.

The Imperial Edition is already trivial to add on. What $20?

The Pre-order bonus (Explorers pack?) I think should be made available to everyone eventually. IMO it makes it feel more like an ES game if you can choose what Alliance you'll give your allegiance to instead of having it determined by what race you choose. Since there aren't a whole lot of dialog options besides "I love to help! How can I help!", you should at least have the choice of which one you're going to kiss up to.

The pets I doubt they would be made available anytime soon, though again, I think they should be for those that want them. Be it optional quest, an in game gold sink (i.e. pet store), cash in the online store, whatever.

IMO, there should be very little exclusive content; And nothing that is overall detrimental to game play. Any that there is, should be time limited, specific quest reward for the first that finds it, etc... Something that everyone has the chance to get, but no one is specifically locked out of; And could come back around again.

Just because I bought something early, it doesn't mean that I don't think that those that came later should not have the ability to get it as well... I mean, I've got a monkey taking up a bank slot I'd give you if I could.

-M

SgtPepperUK

andrantos wrote: »

So all of my exclusive preorder and collectors edition content should be made accessible to everyone?

The treasure maps... The pets... The imperial race...?

Those would fall in the scope of your definition of the "entire" game.

I bought the digital CE and would have no problem certainly with the treasure maps and Scuttler pet being available through in-game methods.

The Imperial race? This gets trickier. This did cause a lot of controversy at the time, with it being perceived that the Imperial race was, effectively, being placed behind an additional paywall but people, including myself, paid extra for the IE (which I would do with any MMO that I intended to play from launch anyway).

I'd have no problem making the IE bonus content available via in-game means personally but a lot of people would, and understandably so after they paid extra, and it wouldn't be a good move on ZOS' part now to do anything other than, at least, leave the ability to upgrade to the IE in the store.

It's not perfect but what's done is done and ZOS' backed themselves into a corner on this from the day they announced the IE.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

So it's just a matter of how cheated you feel exactly. still worth $15 a month? then move on and keep playing, otherwise unsub.

To an extent you're right; However, two problems arise. Firstly, there are those of us who, despite some of ZOS' questionable actions, want the game to succeed. We like the basic premise of the game itself, just not always ZOS' handling of it. We hope to continue playing.

Secondly, encouraging people to unsub is not a wise idea. Very few will leave specifically over this issue but, if everytime a problem, large or small, crops up we say "deal with it or unsub" eventually the game could get to the stage where enough people have done exactly that and the game has haemorrhaged so many subscribers that it's then forced to go F2P.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I'm not going to bother getting in to what is or isn't content in a game, since that definition is vague at best.

The problem I see here is that many MMOs in the past have relied on this concept to justify adding more and more things to a cash shop, often exclusively, persuading people that things once taken for granted as content are merely cosmetic or vanity or none essential and so on, changing perceptions about what is or isn't content by muddying the waters on what content is exactly.

LadyShauna

So that's how you get the dog... They don't even offer the dog on Steam anymore. I have to agree whole-heartedly here, the mudcrab I have is cool but no mudcrab, or monkey, or scuttler, or any other little creature compares to the companionship of a DOG. Zenimax, Pleeeaaase be fair here and allow your loyal, existing customers the opportunity to such a fine pet.

EDIT: Okay I've since read they will be releasing a brown version of the dog in the future, and they will be adding more pets. So that sounds okay to me.

sargon666777b14a_ESO

Releasing another dog really isn't the solution.. The problem here is they allowed someone to pay for a pet that isn't obtainable in game. It's the fact that the early supporters feel betrayed. They gave a unique pet out at Comic Con also (for free), and that I have absolutely no problem with.. It didn't come with purchase of the game.. it came from attending an event.

Probitas

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Illuvatarr wrote: »

I don't think it is a sense of entitlement at all. I know I paid just under $100.00 for the Physical Imperial Edition. I would like to know why this pet is not being added to my account.

didn't you get a molag bal action figure for that?

I would love to have that thing, 100$ was just too much.

I would have bought it myself but they didn't make enough of the damn things. That's the problem with that stuff, never enough to cover demand which makes a great excuse for charging what they do.

sargon666777b14a_ESO wrote: »

Releasing another dog really isn't the solution.. The problem here is they allowed someone to pay for a pet that isn't obtainable in game. It's the fact that the early supporters feel betrayed. They gave a unique pet out at Comic Con also (for free), and that I have absolutely no problem with.. It didn't come with purchase of the game.. it came from attending an event.

And since everyone is of course realistically able to attend said event that makes it fair...right. Tell the people in EU how their inability to attend a US event makes it OK to exclude them...We all pay the same rate for this game and really all things they make for it should be available as content, that if they give free to some, should be giving free to all, if it IS something they had the option to buy or not to buy, such as pre-orders. Anything they add later and only reward to some players is a slight to the rest of the base.

Statues I get, those are not game content. Anything else is content and ought to be included in the sub fee, or we are not getting access to the 'entire game content'.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I think you are just splitting hairs and playing semantics personally.

Is it against forum policy to say I think you are needlessly trolling? I think this is an issue that ought to be addressed and resolved post haste. Either we are paying a sub fee and getting all game content or we have to pay EXTRA for EXTRA content ala DLC, which is not the same as releasing an expansion. Tossing an overpriced stuffie or molded statue into the bargain doesn't make it OK to do in my book just to try and differentiate.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

are you guys also mad about the scrib incidentally?

Malpherian

The problem is that ZOS is trying to use an F2P marketing system and Ideas with their content, while simultaneously Charging a "Forced" Subscription.

They need to pick one or the other and stick with it, Either go free to play, and all the guild restrictions, and exclusive pets then make sense, or Go sub and make everything available to everyone even if they have to pay a little extra for it from the store.

But you can not under any circumstance be successful with a system that states all content will be included with the Sub, then make a bunch of cosmetic/pets/guild content that isn't or that is exclusive to certain people.

Exclusivity comes with F2P, Entirety comes with Subscription based. You can't have both as they are mutually exclusive.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Malpherian wrote: »

The problem is that ZOS is trying to use an F2P marketing system and Ideas with their content, while simultaneously Charging a "Forced" Subscription.

They need to pick one or the other and stick with it, Either go free to play, and all the guild restrictions, and exclusive pets then make sense, or Go sub and make everything available to everyone even if they have to pay a little extra for it from the store.

But you can not under any circumstance be successful with a system that states all content will be included with the Sub, then make a bunch of cosmetic/pets/guild content that isn't or that is exclusive to certain people.

Exclusivity comes with F2P, Entirety comes with Subscription based. You can't have both as they are mutually exclusive.

this is not at all the case. You have manufactured these expectations, and as such find yourself disappointed.

Probitas

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

this is not at all the case. You have manufactured these expectations, and as such find yourself disappointed.

I think you don't have the ability to come up with a better counter argument except to sneakily insult people indirectly by disingenuously making this sort of statement.

I agree, you can't say sub fee, then lock out content from people that pay to play the game monthly. I get that with statues and stupid fluff toys and over priced prints, that makes sense as it's not game code. The virtual items ARE game code and are clearly part of the game, but not for all, just some.

Are you having difficulty understanding what the difference is between real items and virtual, and how those are applied?

If Z just wants people to understand that the only way they can access all the content in game is to also fork over hundreds of dollars for tripe to gain game code as a reward for purchasing said tripe, then say so clearly. (tripe is my opinion on this matter)

aisriyth_ESO

Well, I am saddened that they have not addressed this at all. My sub runs out shortly and while the leading reason was not this debacle, it doesn't help any either. Will I resub down the road, maybe? Hopefully, ZoS acknowledges this at some point.

SFBryan18

aisriyth_ESO wrote: »

Well, I am saddened that they have not addressed this at all. My sub runs out shortly and while the leading reason was not this debacle, it doesn't help any either. Will I resub down the road, maybe? Hopefully, ZoS acknowledges this at some point.

You could also buy time codes.

aisriyth_ESO

SFBryan18 wrote: »

aisriyth_ESO wrote: »

Well, I am saddened that they have not addressed this at all. My sub runs out shortly and while the leading reason was not this debacle, it doesn't help any either. Will I resub down the road, maybe? Hopefully, ZoS acknowledges this at some point.

You could also buy time codes.

Oh, it isn't a matter of money. I just find myself not having a lot of time to dedicate to ESO like i would want to an MMO. Plus, truth be told, the class system takes some of the magic out of the Elder Scrolls world for me. That being said, I can easily see spellcrafting injecting enough of that classless flavor back that I may resub then.

Again, the Whiterun Wolfhound also doesn't help, I understand to many i may seem like a petulant child for being upset about not having the pet, but I am universally a pet collector in any MMO/RPG or any game with any kind of pet function that i play. So, not only to miss out on an exclusive(which i normally could tolerate in some instances) but for it to be because it was exclusive to new players instead of veterans was added salt in the wound.

Raash

All this crying about that dog is very much resembling what takes place when two small kids are playin in a sandbox. Doesnt matter how many buckets kid1 got playing with, kid2´s bucket is still like a flawless diamond when compared to what kid 1 has.
Really interesting to see this behaivior never change during life, especially when regarding that about 30% of the forum dwellers seems to be over 65 years old.

gladen5rwb17_ESO

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

The wolfhound vanity pet is a limited-time bonus available only to those who buy the Imperial Edition of The Elder Scrolls Online through Steam.

I am a little shocked that you wrote this Amelia. It is quite obvious is it not that we are all aware of this?

emeraldbay

On that note, @ZOS_GinaBruno‌, when can we expect the dog we were promised?

nerevarine1138

gladen5rwb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

The wolfhound vanity pet is a limited-time bonus available only to those who buy the Imperial Edition of The Elder Scrolls Online through Steam.

I am a little shocked that you wrote this Amelia. It is quite obvious is it not that we are all aware of this?

Did you read the title of this thread? And the time that was posted?

seaef

If I didn't loathe pets so much in MMOs, I'd probably be slightly annoyed at this.

RedMiniStapler

aisriyth_ESO wrote: »

Well, I am saddened that they have not addressed this at all. My sub runs out shortly and while the leading reason was not this debacle, it doesn't help any either. Will I resub down the road, maybe? Hopefully, ZoS acknowledges this at some point.

Maybe they'll offer some special pet for returning subscribers after minimum 6 months of unsub

Zubba

1.3K comments! Comeon guys, can't be this big. How about playing the game every now and then. Trust me if I had one I I'll be happy to give ya mine.

EQBallzz

This is still going? Let it go people.