Armor Dyes Review - The Good & The Bad

Azzuria

Dye unlocks are account-wide. Which means that if you have only one toon that you PvP with and another that you grind Craglorn with your RP-only toon will have access to all the dyes.

Don't really care that some of the rarer colors are only available through end-game or PvP achievements. They guy who spent a solid week in Cyrodiil without sleep to be crowned Emperor -should- be sporting a color that no one else has. It's a mark of achievement ( and a badge of dishonor in my book, but hey, to each their own ).

Ganacampo

The more I think about it being achievement based the more I like the idea. Now achievements at least give you something.

But I'm not sure if like that they are account-wide. I like my different characters to earn their stuff without help from my other characters.

dsalter

Audigy wrote: »

Rubin red is emperor, guess this will be the rarest

an emperor based achievement dye... i think i just lost a heep of respect

MornaBaine

Sigh. If they HAD to make it achievement based I wish they had not tied it to PvP. I also wish dyes were actual and not unlocks. How awesome would it be as a crafter to be able to sell armor that was dyed to suit the client? I think they missed an opportunity here and are making a simple vanity item into a MUCH bigger deal than it should be.

Siluen

I actually don't think people will really miss out on colors. There's several similar shades and there are various achievements, there's PvP achievments that give dyes, there's PvE achievements that give dyes. A PvEer will likely be able to find a red (for example) dye with an achievement that is relatively easy accessible to them and so will a PvPer. There's also dyes tied to crafting, killing certain monsters in great numbers, quests, exploring... even fishing.

The only way you would truly have no color selections... is if you don't play the game at all.

Orchish

I'm expecting many pink brigades charging keeps in Cyrodiil come August.

BBSooner

I knew the emperor achieve would have a dye attached to it, Though I never put 2 and 2 together (I'm assuming that shade of red matches the red diamond on imperial gear). Sucks, I wanted to use that

ebondeath

Does it cost gold to actually do the dyeing? If it does, I'm going to be so broke. I'll be changing my colors every day.

DeLindsay

Phantax wrote: »

Unfortunately acquiring dyes is as I hoped it wouldn't be. It's entirely achievement based. That is they are unlocked by accomplishing certain achieves, not purchasable with achievement points.
This is going to heavily restrict which dyes are available to a lot of players because a lot of the dyes (especially the rarer ones) seem to be PvP or Craglorn based achievements ! So if you're not into PvP or not obsessed with Craglorn you won't be opening these dyes in your dyes window.

The other point is you never physically own a dye. (as far as I can tell) you get the achievement and the dye is unlocked. This means there will be no trading in dyes !
In itself this is double edged blessing. OK we aren't going to get the usual idiots spamming chat trying to sell white or black dyes (usually the most popular)for a small fortune, but neither are we going to have the ability to get those dyes we long to have but don't have the achieves for.

You do realize that by the time you've completed Cadwell's Almanac you will have access to probably 70% of the dyes in the game, and that's without even trying to get them. Some of the harder achievements, either time or actual difficulty, will require players to go out of their way to complete, and frankly they SHOULD have access to something the general populous doesn't.

I agree that as it appears on PTS right now we won't even be able to dye up some armor and sell that armor to another player, which I think is kind of silly but who knows, it's just PTS at this time and could change.

Laura

I'll be fine with them getting rid of the achievement part of the dye system if they give me the option to turn off player dyes.

I am all for people being able to run around like power rangers and powder puff girls as long as I don't have to see it.


Personally I like the achievement system in it, it makes me want to get out there and do things I normally wouldn't do.

also only a couple of dyes are actually hard to get. One or two of the pvp ones and the time trial, looks like about 90% of it can be obtained solo without much time investment.


I don't see the point in getting upset really... I'll never see emperor but I certainly think the ones that earned it legitimately should have something fancy like that.

Morvul

I really, really like that system!
Including things like rubin red locked to (former) emperors - it means I will likely never, ever have that dye. But it also means that those players who did get it have something to really show off with - which is a good thing!

Wifeaggro13

Phantax wrote: »

WARNING !

Any tanks I see looking like this...


I WILL NOT HEAL YOU ! ! !

Dont worry we dont wear heavy Armor lol. It will look like my wifes pink bath robe.

vyal

Rare dyes from PvP ?

Makes sense.

Oh wait, my bad.. That doesn't make any sense at all, not even a little bit. In fact, that's one of the worst ideas I've seen in MMO's since 1996.

WTG Zenimax. You managed to take a good idea and bake it into a brick of crap, yet again.

Until you're going to make a PvE-only phase of Cyrodil, you can't base achievements on anything in there. It's OPTIONAL content, right now. Why? Because 100 jerknuggets can prevent you from getting it, if they're so inclined. And yes, they're inclined!

Laura

vyal wrote: »

Rare dyes from PvP ?

Makes sense.

Oh wait, my bad.. That doesn't make any sense at all, not even a little bit. In fact, that's one of the worst ideas I've seen in MMO's since 1996.

WTG Zenimax. You managed to take a good idea and bake it into a brick of crap, yet again.

Until you're going to make a PvE-only phase of Cyrodil, you can't base achievements on anything in there. It's OPTIONAL content, right now. Why? Because 100 jerknuggets can prevent you from getting it, if they're so inclined. And yes, they're inclined!

its still optional. you don't have to dye your armor that particular shade of red it will have absolutely no change on your power and honestly its not a lot different than some of the other reds. In fact some of them are so close unless you really squint your eyes you really can't tell


i think its important to note that emperor is something i am 99.99999% sure I will NEVER see and I think it is perfectly fair that they get a cool color just for them to show off a little bit.

Same for time trials and same for crafters. I like that people get little badges for the accomplishments they have made.

KariTR

Lol anyone would think dyes were only available from PvP achievements if you read some of the replies in this thread.

The game offers both PvE and PvP, it is only right that both types of play are rewarded.

I can't wait to start dying. Can we dye items we craft and then sell them on? Or will the dye be lost if the buyer doesnt have the appropriate unlock? Maybe only bound items can be dyed? Can't wait to find out either way.

AngryWolf

Good review, and if most of the dyes are based off of PVP and Craglorn achievments, they can keep them as far as I'm concerned. Just not sure why they feel they need to 'restrict' so many things. Whatever.

Leijona

AngryWolf wrote: »

Good review, and if most of the dyes are based off of PVP and Craglorn achievments, they can keep them as far as I'm concerned. Just not sure why they feel they need to 'restrict' so many things. Whatever.

Decide for yourself if most of them are based in AvA or trials: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118891/dye-achievements

DeLindsay

AngryWolf wrote: »

Good review, and if most of the dyes are based off of PVP and Craglorn achievments, they can keep them as far as I'm concerned. Just not sure why they feel they need to 'restrict' so many things. Whatever.

Or they're not since MOST of the dyes are tied to achievements you'll get without even trying to get them while you level up through the main storyline, do crafting, explore the world, etc.

AngryWolf

Leijona wrote: »

AngryWolf wrote: »

Good review, and if most of the dyes are based off of PVP and Craglorn achievments, they can keep them as far as I'm concerned. Just not sure why they feel they need to 'restrict' so many things. Whatever.

Decide for yourself if most of them are based in AvA or trials: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118891/dye-achievements

Wow...totally not! Thanks for this. Don't know this poster is talking about.

AngryWolf

DeLindsay wrote: »

AngryWolf wrote: »

Good review, and if most of the dyes are based off of PVP and Craglorn achievments, they can keep them as far as I'm concerned. Just not sure why they feel they need to 'restrict' so many things. Whatever.

Or they're not since MOST of the dyes are tied to achievements you'll get without even trying to get them while you level up through the main storyline, do crafting, explore the world, etc.

Thanks...forget the whole...don't believe it till you see for yourself motto I usually go by!

ArRashid

IF we have access to dark-ish red from some NORMAL achievement and not a TOP one.. shades of gray are there too I hope..

But from seeing the state of this game, I really think all good colors will be locked and we'll be left with shades of turquoise and green..

aipex8_ESO

The people mad about this should really go look at the test server forum before getting too wound up. There are only a few PvP (4) and Trial (6) achievements. The vast majority are achievements that the average player will already have or will get easily just by playing the main story. Most are for exploring the different zones and completing the quests in those zones. The are also tying a lot of the colors to achievement that are not currently in the game. Just becoming a vampire, for example, is an achievement that will be added and will award you a black dye.

EDIT: I'm going to go ahead and post this here.

Mujuro wrote: »

I finally managed to make it on PTS, and here's what I was able to pull:

Character

General
Level 50 Hero: Master Gold
Fighters Guild Skill Master: Syffim Red
Mages Guild Skill Master: Arcane Blue
Superior Ransacker: Ransaker Blue
Superior Attire: Superior Blue
Epic Acquirer: Pillager Purple
Epic Attire: Epic Violet
Legendary Attire: Legendary Gold
Daedra Slayer: Boethiah Gray
Dwarven Construct Slayer: Automaton Bronze
Humanoid Slayer: Bandit Brown
Nature Slayer: Hunter Green
Undead Slayer: Mort Flesh White
Lycanthropy: Wolf's Fur Brown
Vampirism: Nexophilic Black
Lycanthropy Master: Lycanthrope Gray
Undaunted Skill Master: Undaunted Bronze
Vampirism Master: Lamae's White

Guilds
Student of the Mages Guild: Mages Guild Blue
Associate of the Fighters Guild: Fighters Guild Red
Recruit of the Undaunted: Dried Blood Brown

Collectibles
Atronach Element Collector: Elemental White
Chitin Acculmulator: Mudcrab Maroon
Dwarven Secrets Gatherer: Faded Dwemer Scholar Red
Monstrous Component Collector: Trolls Fur Brown
Nature Collector: Spriggan Green
Oblivion Shard Gatherer: Oblivion Vermillion
Tamriel Beast Collector: Beast Collector Violet
Undead Hoarder: Gangrene Green

Alliance War
Emperor: Ruby Throne Red
Emperor Slayer: Regicide Red
Kill a Grand Overlord: Murder Mahogany
Support the Fight: Heartlands Umber

Crafting

General
Apprentice Crafting Harvester: Dragonthorn Yellow
Apprentice Refinement: Bugloss Blue
Apprentice Deconstructor: Forge Ember Red
Racial Style Learned: Book Cover Brown
Alliance Style Master: Motif Pattern Blue
Rare Style Master: Motif Master Brown
Learn a Trait: Amethyst Violet
Trait Master: Moonstone White
Truly Legendary Armor: Entoloma Blue

Alchemy
Master Alchemist: Alchemist Bilious
Botanist: Nirnroot Gray

Blacksmithing
Master Blacksmith: Smith Steel Blue
Legendary Blacksmith: Earthforge Iron Gray

Clothier
Master Clothier: Clothier Purple
Legendary Clothier: Ironweed Violet

Enchanting
Master Enchanter: Enchanter Tangerine
Aspect: Aspect Red
Essence: Essence Green
Potency: Potency Blue

Provisioning
Master Provisioner: Provisioner Brown
Recipe Card: Battaglir Green
Iron Chef: Brewer's Ale Brown

Woodworking
Master Woodworker: Woodworker Yellow
Legendary Woodworker: Mastic Yellow

Dark Anchors
Anchor Destroyer: Dolmen Deep Blue
Chainbreaker: Nightshade Purple

Dungeons

General
Dungeon Lord: Boss Butcher Brown
Dungeon Annihilator: Dungeon Victor Turquoise
Dungeon Damage Dispenser: Tombstone Gray
Greater Dungeon Healer: Restorative Gold
Greater Dungeon Blocker: Guardian Blue

Trials
Hel Ra Citadel Completed: Warrior's Steel
Time Trial - Hel Ra Citadel: Dragonstar Red
Aetherian Archive Completed: Julianos White
Time Trial - Aetherian Archive: Aurora Green
Weekly Trial Complete: Mundus Blue
Time Trial - Weekly: Celestial Violet

Public Dungeons
Aldmeri Dungeon Conqueror: Dominion Conqueror Yellow
Daggerfall Convenant Conqueror: Covenant Conqueror Blue
Ebonheart Pact Conqueror: Pact Conqueror Red

Group Dungeons
Vanquisher of the Covenant: Covenant Vanquisher Violet
Vanquisher of the Dominion: Dominion Vanquisher Green
Vanquisher of the Pact: Pact Vanquisher Brown

Veteran Dungeons
Complete All Death Challenges: Voidstone Violet

Exploration

General
I Like M'aiq: Liar's Linen

Aldmeri Dominion
Aldmeri Master Explorer: Ayleid Gold
Auridon Master Explorer: Maomer-Eyes Gray
Grahtwood Master Explorer: Graht-Bark Brown
Greenshade Master Explorer: Dibella's Blush
Khenarthi's Roost Pathfinder: Khenarthi Red
Malabal Tor Master Explorer: Silvenar Green
Reaper's March Master Explorer: Jode Red

Daggerfall Covenant
Daggerfall Master Explorer: Orichalc Green
Stros M'kai and Betnikh Explorer: Hunding Gold
Glenumbra Master Explorer: Vine Green
Stormhaven Master Explorer: Flame-Knight Light Red
Rivenspire Master Explorer: Haunted Moor Mauve
Alik'r Desert Master Explorer: Ash'abah Hood Gray
Bangkorai Master Explorer: Wisp Blue

Ebonheart Pact
Ebonheart Pact Master Explorer: Atmoran Bronze
Bleakrock and Bal Foyen Master Explorer: Netch Jelly Blue
Stonefalls Master Explorer: Telvanni Brown
Deshaan Master Explorer: Indoril Blue
Shadowfen Master Explorer: Strangler Maw Red
Eastmarch Master Explorer: Sulfur Pools Yellow
The Rift Master Explorer: Mammoth Fur Brown

Coldharbour
Coldharbour Master Explorer: Soul Shriven Pale

Craglorn
Craglorn Master Explorer: Craglorn Crimson

Cyrodiil
Cyrodiil Master Explorer: Colovian Deep Brown

Fishing
Covenant Fisherman: Covenant Fisher Blue
Dominion Fisherman: Dominion Fisher Yellow
Pact Fisherman: Pact Fisher Red
Cyrodiil Angler: Nibenay Trout Green

Skyshards
Tamriel Skyshard Hunter: Aetherial Blue

Quests

General
Cyrodiil Champion: Cyrodilic Steel
Quester: Quester Yellow

Main Quest
Complete Main Quest Chapter 1: Soul Shriven Gray

Aldmeri Dominion
A Rule Unquestioned: Varla White
Iconoclast: Thalmor Black
Spirit of the Bosmer: Welkynd Blue
Matchmaker: Falinesti Green
Hallowed Moons: Senche-Tiger Orange

Daggerfall Covenant
Ritual Destruction: Wyrd Tree Green
Rude Awakening: Wayrest Royal Purple
Curse Breaker: Doomcrag Verdigris
Consecrated Ground: Alik'r Lapis
End of Empire: Evermore Gold

Ebonheart Pact
Hearts of Darkness: Ashland Gray
Plague Eater: Hlaalu Gold
Egg and Root: Hist Green
Blood Feud: Windhelm Steel
Shattered Remnants: Riften Copper

Coldharbour
Radiant Champion: Necromancer Blue

Also, regarding there only 1 achievement for the main quest (chapter 1), Gina Bruno had this to say:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Soul Gem Purple, Red Diamond Red, and Coldharbour Ash Black are all dyes you receive from the Main Quest and are hidden until earned. This is a known issue and mainly a messaging error, but it's on our list to fix in the future.

So that's another easy to achieve black! That one is listed as rare as well.

DeLindsay

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

The people mad about this should really go look at the test server forum before getting too wound up. There are only a few PvP (4) and Trial (6) achievements. The vast majority are achievements that the average player will already have or will get easily just by playing the main story. Most are for exploring the different zones and completing the quests in those zones. The are also tying a lot of the colors to achievement that are not currently in the game. Just becoming a vampire, for example, is an achievement that will be added and will award you a black dye.

IB4 "How dare you use logic on us, what are we going to complain about now that is factually incorrect!?!"

Laura

AngryWolf wrote: »

Leijona wrote: »

AngryWolf wrote: »

Good review, and if most of the dyes are based off of PVP and Craglorn achievments, they can keep them as far as I'm concerned. Just not sure why they feel they need to 'restrict' so many things. Whatever.

Decide for yourself if most of them are based in AvA or trials: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118891/dye-achievements

Wow...totally not! Thanks for this. Don't know this poster is talking about.

I have boundless respect for people who will come back and admit when they are wrong.

The OP is using sensationalism its really not your fault. OP should be edited to include the fact that literally about 90% of the dyes or more are either accidentally obtained or so easy its a joke IE. LEVEL VAMPIRE TO 10 LOLOLOL

Also it looks like for every extremely rare dye there is a counterpart that is so close in color that nobody will really know the difference when they see you walking through town. Its more of a token if anything.

AngryWolf

Laura wrote: »

AngryWolf wrote: »

Leijona wrote: »

AngryWolf wrote: »

Good review, and if most of the dyes are based off of PVP and Craglorn achievments, they can keep them as far as I'm concerned. Just not sure why they feel they need to 'restrict' so many things. Whatever.

Decide for yourself if most of them are based in AvA or trials: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118891/dye-achievements

Wow...totally not! Thanks for this. Don't know this poster is talking about.

I have boundless respect for people who will come back and admit when they are wrong.

The OP is using sensationalism its really not your fault. OP should be edited to include the fact that literally about 90% of the dyes or more are either accidentally obtained or so easy its a joke IE. LEVEL VAMPIRE TO 10 LOLOLOL

Also it looks like for every extremely rare dye there is a counterpart that is so close in color that nobody will really know the difference when they see you walking through town. Its more of a token if anything.

Thanks Always happy to admit I'm wrong. Looking forward to trying these dyes out. My characters are all level 40+, so should be some good one try right away.

Elad13

I think it is awesome that it is achievement based and that you can see what achievement is needed for what color you want....I also disagree about selling dyes....it only boost clothing and blacksmithing abilities to sell. So zone chat will look like "WTS black (or color)ancient elf medium armor" "WTS red daedric heavy armor 10k per piece" or "crafting imperial armor many colors to choose"
I am pretty sure colors will stay on armor...If not this will become a forgotten effort.

kassandratheclericb14_ESO

I may have missed this but two questions:

1) are the achievements you have gotten already going to be grandfathered in for the dyes?

2) Is there a basic pallet available for everyone or are ALL of them earned?

kewl

Dyed armor making a guest appearance in Wayrest (NA) 7/11 @ 8:52pm? Note, I'm not on the PTS.

DeLindsay

kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »

I may have missed this but two questions:

1) are the achievements you have gotten already going to be grandfathered in for the dyes?

2) Is there a basic pallet available for everyone or are ALL of them earned?

#1 - Yes, all achievements for Dyes will be grandfathered in, even the ones they are adding in 1.3.

#2 - Pretty much everyone will end up having access to about 90%+ of the dyes by the time one of their account characters reaches VR12 (or w/e the upcoming change to the vet system entails). And that's just doing normal things like questing, exploring, etc.

kassandratheclericb14_ESO

DeLindsay wrote: »

kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »

I may have missed this but two questions:

1) are the achievements you have gotten already going to be grandfathered in for the dyes?

2) Is there a basic pallet available for everyone or are ALL of them earned?

#1 - Yes, all achievements for Dyes will be grandfathered in, even the ones they are adding in 1.3.

#2 - Pretty much everyone will end up having access to about 90%+ of the dyes by the time one of their account characters reaches VR12 (or w/e the upcoming change to the vet system entails). And that's just doing normal things like questing, exploring, etc.

Yes but are there any colors available at the beginning? Even a small, very very limited palette? For example, GW2 you had a small one then had to find/buy/earn the rest.