LOL dumped down

Gilvoth

SaibotLiu wrote: »

Winged Rainbow Bright Pegasus.

Cadwell Signature Trading Card Set:200 Dragonborn coins 175 Dragonborn coins.

wow really, i never saw these ingame but they do sound kinda kool, where are these?

nerevarine1138

wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »

Lol obviously they tweaked this a bit much. They should have also used their heads and tweaked lower vet areas still making a difficulty progression up to vet 10 area so learning curve still exists. But that's much to intelligent for this team. And much too much work as they are so lazy.

Don't blame the developers for responding to the demands of players. This community created the demand for easier content. Blame all the people who refused to learn how to use their build effectively prior to this patch.

Arsenic_Touch

rynth wrote: »

if you pay attention to polls on a forum your an idiot (not saying you, but to anybody that pays attention to those polls) and the simple reason is they aren't accurate, they don't reflect the community, hell those whole damn general forum doesn't reflect the "gaming" community.

You're the one that brought up the complaints on the forum that just so happen to be from a minority of people that actually post on the forum so you aren't actually countering my point here.

zmanu

Vr was boring before, it's boring now, at least now i can goof around with fun but ineffective stamina builds.

reggielee

waiting on more data before getting riled up either way

Sihnfahl

zmanu wrote: »

Vr was boring before, it's boring now, at least now i can goof around with fun but ineffective stamina builds.

Eh, I leveled VR as a stam build. It's hardly ineffective, just harder than the alternative.

zmanu

Sihnfahl wrote: »

zmanu wrote: »

Vr was boring before, it's boring now, at least now i can goof around with fun but ineffective stamina builds.

Eh, I leveled VR as a stam build. It's hardly ineffective, just harder than the alternative.

I didn't say all the stamina builds are ineffective, merely that there are stamina builds that are both fun and ineffective.
For example, using wrecking blow to kill a pack of 10 mobs.

DrukeBloodlust

I just did a Delve in VR8 zone. The boss was not elite anymore either. She dropped faster than her 2 adds. Also, a quest 'boss' mob I fought and expected to be elite, was not. I'm boggled.

Delorion

just for the Notes i have 2 chars both Vet 12 with Hero of Tamriel title so i cleared cadwell silver and gold on both of them ... just did a little Testing and its a joke right now before the patch fighting 3-4 enemys was a challenge you needed some tactics to survive .. now you can pull 8 enemys stand around not even evading and go out of the fight with over 50 % life...

as a side note even the Cyrodiil FPS drop dont got fixed so pvp is no fun anymore now since a whole month now.

unsub +1 20 days left playtime (Reason game taking wrong Direction)

just my 2 cents

MonkeyAssassin24

I was in favor of this change as even though I was making it through vr content as a dw NB, it was "be flawless or die". Now, however, after playing in the v7 zone for a little bit it's "who cares if i stand in the red or get stunned, I'm just going to /dance after putting a dot on you". Seriously, my char is built around using stealth to survive and kill, I just completed two public dungeons without crouching once. Toning down VR was needed, but I don't even think players who couldn't progress at all wanted this.

Hilgara

For over a month now me and a few others have been defending the difficulty against the vocal minority. Now the battle has been lost the majority suddenly find their voice. Where were you all a month ago?

Adrastes

sounds good.

stabbykitteh

MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »

I was in favor of this change as even though I was making it through vr content as a dw NB, it was "be flawless or die". Now, however, after playing in the v7 zone for a little bit it's "who cares if i stand in the red or get stunned, I'm just going to /dance after putting a dot on you". Seriously, my char is built around using stealth to survive and kill, I just completed two public dungeons without crouching once. Toning down VR was needed, but I don't even think players who couldn't progress at all wanted this.

Agreed. I thought rebalancing was needed but after running about facerolling stuff with my squishy bowplar, this seems a bit too much of an adjustment.

fethry8oeb17_ESO

and sry if im minority amongst minority, that mostly keep my mouth shut, atm just bit drunk, there should be some kinda lock but, anyway, still dont get this L2P or you need right class and what ever, yes i noticed something in vr zones, obviosly some bosses, you could actually do, skill /flute, skill /lute. those quest bosses, althou if i went and tried to kill em as melee, no change "dead" but that wasn't actually about skill it's totally the bosse's mechanic. " i can dodge that easily" - "no you can't" cause i spam this root on you and hit you with blood graze, or "haha i'm behind you" - no your not i'm going to turn this telegraph on to you when i'm swinging my blade and your'e trying to dodge it" + 170 ping + internal server lag, have fun, stay away, and use bow it's faster than staff---

Evergnar

Why do you guys think they always take such extreme measures when changing stuff? I'm being serious. Why not try a 5-10% change to start with? I just can't understand Zos' logic most of time.

Istyar

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Really do you people know how badly this game was losing subs BECAUSE of VR?

ESO is losing subs because a lot of things, and it will lose more if the VR content is not challenging enough.
I realy think those people who say VR content is hard and they cant kill a group of three mobs should play someting else, beacause VR content is good now, and it will become a walk in the park after the changes.

Arsenic_Touch

Evergnar wrote: »

Why do you guys think they always take such extreme measures when changing stuff? I'm being serious. Why not try a 5-10% change to start with? I just can't understand Zos' logic most of time.

When it comes to class buffs, it's "incremental" changes. When it comes to nerfs of any kind, they use a hammer instead of a scalpel.

SaibotLiu

Hilgara wrote: »

For over a month now me and a few others have been defending the difficulty against the vocal minority. Now the battle has been lost the majority suddenly find their voice. Where were you all a month ago?

Most of us were here. But it wouldn't have mattered. ZOS is quickly becoming the king of the knee jerk.

This was ultimately always going to be the end result, as it is with all other MMO's. We just got there a bit quicker than expected.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

Hilgara wrote: »

For over a month now me and a few others have been defending the difficulty against the vocal minority. Now the battle has been lost the majority suddenly find their voice. Where were you all a month ago?

I'm pretty sure the majority, from what I've read here, were saying the content was not too hard. I was saying it here. Most people in game have said that. Most people in my guild have said that.

MonkeyAssassin24

Hilgara wrote: »

For over a month now me and a few others have been defending the difficulty against the vocal minority. Now the battle has been lost the majority suddenly find their voice. Where were you all a month ago?

It's not that people have suddenly seen the error in their thoughts. It's the fact that instead of balancing the scale they have replaced the heavier side with a feather. Don't start this "I told you so" movement, players asked for VR to be toned down but this is so far beyond that. All anyone wanted was balance. The players that wanted it easy were the minority of the so called vocal minority that just wanted it fine-tuned.

Laura

problem is they didn't fix the actual issues. The problem is that weapon builds an such didn't really work anymore in veteran content, as soon as they get to end game and they want to do some grouping they will still be in a bad way.

we going to nerf everything or actually fix the problem?

Maulkin

Hilgara wrote: »

For over a month now me and a few others have been defending the difficulty against the vocal minority. Now the battle has been lost the majority suddenly find their voice. Where were you all a month ago?

Forums are only designed for agreeing with people, not disagreeing. That's why there's an agree button only.

Someone starts a thread saying VR is hard and gets 60 "agrees". Thread gathers momentum in that direction and then nothing can derail it. It's how it works.

Arsenic_Touch

MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

For over a month now me and a few others have been defending the difficulty against the vocal minority. Now the battle has been lost the majority suddenly find their voice. Where were you all a month ago?

It's not that people have suddenly seen the error in their thoughts. It's the fact that instead of balancing the scale they have replaced the heavier side with a feather. Don't start this "I told you so" movement, players asked for VR to be toned down but this is so far beyond that. All anyone wanted was balance. The players that wanted it easy were the minority of the so called vocal minority that just wanted it fine-tuned.

I can actually say "I told you so" though. I said that they never do things halfway and they don't know what middle ground is. A minority of players asked for this and they got their wish. All anyone had to do was look at every "fix" or change they've made and see what was coming but people were still quick to rip my head off and jump down my throat.

Vahrokh

The majority said:

1) Content is boring.

2) Broken stamina builds. Broken... "just always put all points on health, it's the only best solution".

3) Broken quests.

4) Content is bad for roleplay (rebirthing back to being unknown, back to be "soul less" (lots of quests rely on that in their narration) which imo is the WORST breaking point, kill your own faction.

5) XP bar does not budge, very bad feeling of no progress

6) no appetible rewards for the effort

7) FPS drops in PVP. It's listed 7) but in reality it's its own category and it's #1 for PvP.

THEN, some, also complained:

8.) VR was too hard. There's always a niche who just can't do stuff so it was expected.


What has been ZoS priority? OF COURSE START FROM THE BOTTOM!

Audigy

Hilgara wrote: »

For over a month now me and a few others have been defending the difficulty against the vocal minority. Now the battle has been lost the majority suddenly find their voice. Where were you all a month ago?

I think I did participate in most voting's in regards of VR, I also offered a lot of advice in how to tweak VR content to make it more appealing to the masses.

That said, I will never understand how optional content could see a nerf, nobody had to do VR 1-10 if he didn't want to. Its not like there is some skill line hidden or anything...

The gear isn't needed either, just craft stuff...

I guess we will see what happens next, I am counting the days already when the same whiners complain that they have no content

c0rp

At least I wont have to pay attention when Im soloing VR public dungeons anymore. Now I can just watch TV and eat chips while I do it.

MonkeyAssassin24

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

For over a month now me and a few others have been defending the difficulty against the vocal minority. Now the battle has been lost the majority suddenly find their voice. Where were you all a month ago?

It's not that people have suddenly seen the error in their thoughts. It's the fact that instead of balancing the scale they have replaced the heavier side with a feather. Don't start this "I told you so" movement, players asked for VR to be toned down but this is so far beyond that. All anyone wanted was balance. The players that wanted it easy were the minority of the so called vocal minority that just wanted it fine-tuned.

I can actually say "I told you so" though. I said that they never do things halfway and they don't know what middle ground is. A minority of players asked for this and they got their wish. All anyone had to do was look at every "fix" or change they've made and see what was coming but people were still quick to rip my head off and jump down my throat.

Yes but by that understanding then we can't ever hope for them to do anything because it will just be done wrong. There would be no point for discussing changes at all. I really hope the general consensus never gets to that point (even though it seems like it's getting there) because that would truly be a dark day for ESO. "Please fix the problem with...oh never mind it won't be done right anyway..."

Seriously, I for one was not expecting this severe of a nerf. I'm actually a little dumbfounded that it was this drastic. Call it blind optimism but it's just the way I feel.

Maulkin

MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

For over a month now me and a few others have been defending the difficulty against the vocal minority. Now the battle has been lost the majority suddenly find their voice. Where were you all a month ago?

It's not that people have suddenly seen the error in their thoughts. It's the fact that instead of balancing the scale they have replaced the heavier side with a feather. Don't start this "I told you so" movement, players asked for VR to be toned down but this is so far beyond that. All anyone wanted was balance. The players that wanted it easy were the minority of the so called vocal minority that just wanted it fine-tuned.

To be fair there were a lot of people that did not care about the difficulty but the content and the rewards. To be more precise, they wanted quests that were a logical continuation of what had happened story-wise and rewards that matched the effort you put in to beat mobs with combined health of 20k that hit like trucks.

Unfortunately that would have involved a lot of changes, not to mention that those voices became irrelevant as the discussion became nore and more centered around the issue difficulty, not the storyline and reward system.

Considering what's happened to DK and Sorc abilities, I could see that huge nerfbat coming from a mile away

MonkeyAssassin24

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

MonkeyAssassin24 wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

For over a month now me and a few others have been defending the difficulty against the vocal minority. Now the battle has been lost the majority suddenly find their voice. Where were you all a month ago?

It's not that people have suddenly seen the error in their thoughts. It's the fact that instead of balancing the scale they have replaced the heavier side with a feather. Don't start this "I told you so" movement, players asked for VR to be toned down but this is so far beyond that. All anyone wanted was balance. The players that wanted it easy were the minority of the so called vocal minority that just wanted it fine-tuned.

To be fair there were a lot of people that did not care about the difficulty but the content and the rewards. To be more precise, they wanted quests that were a logical continuation of what had happened story-wise and rewards that matched the effort you put in to beat mobs with combined heath of 20k that hit like trucks.

Unfortunately that would involved a lot of changes, not to mention that those voices became irrelevant as the discussion became nore and more centered around the issue difficulty, not the storyline and reward system.

Considering what's happened to DK and Sorc abilities, I could see a that huge nerfbat coming from a mile away

I agree with you, I was one of those people as well. I just wanted balance and something different than a brick wall in the story line but like you said, that's a major change.

Maybe I should start looking at my thoughts of this game as dumb optimism instead of blind optimism

steveb16_ESO46

I expect they had investors yelling at them to 'do something, do something NOW!' so of course they would be heavy-handed. Each month another large number of subs come due so a bandage had to be applied.

Hopefully more considered responses will follow.

don't know how they are going to deal with the problem of the whole VR thing being boring nonsense though.