Trials completion in 11mins?
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Jaxom✭✭✭✭
I've got a screen shot but its not mine to share.
But EU 1st Guild Siege Breakers did there best AA time 12m45s with 4 NB 3 Sorc 3 DK, 2 Temp.
They got there night blades doing solid dps in light amour Magicka builds from what i understand and there night blades are out dpsing there sorcs so there you go.
A guy can always ask. In short bursts (under 5s), I can hit 900dps and do it consistently. The problem I have (like many others) if after the initial burst from stealth, my sustain dps is 250-300. Solo PvE is a fine with the build I have, slow, but fine. My problem is that these DPS checks are above the general ability of NB's. I'm not saying it isn't possible as there clearly is a build that can do it, but that's the problem. There is literally 1 build (I still want to see it BTW) that can match what a DK/Sorc can do by rolling their face on the keyboard with a plethora of options.
No one is asking for 1 shot kills in PvP (at least I'm not), we just want our fair chance to see content. With how ZoS has created these boss fights, we are the odd man out. Even if I do figure out this magical 900 ST DPS build, who is going to take me outside of my guild? No one since no one will believe it. The damage has been done and NB integrity is gone, even if they do fix it.1 -
CobriusSoul ShrivenUpdate on EU Hel Ra Citadel.
Only 2 NB DPS this time.
CobriusSiege Breakers EU1 -
AudonSoul ShrivenA guy can always ask. In short bursts (under 5s), I can hit 900dps and do it consistently. The problem I have (like many others) if after the initial burst from stealth, my sustain dps is 250-300. Solo PvE is a fine with the build I have, slow, but fine. My problem is that these DPS checks are above the general ability of NB's. I'm not saying it isn't possible as there clearly is a build that can do it, but that's the problem. There is literally 1 build (I still want to see it BTW) that can match what a DK/Sorc can do by rolling their face on the keyboard with a plethora of options.
No one is asking for 1 shot kills in PvP (at least I'm not), we just want our fair chance to see content. With how ZoS has created these boss fights, we are the odd man out. Even if I do figure out this magical 900 ST DPS build, who is going to take me outside of my guild? No one since no one will believe it. The damage has been done and NB integrity is gone, even if they do fix it.
our NB's maintain 700dpsEdited by Audon on May 31, 2014 1:31AMAudon - Templar HealerSiege Breakers EU0 -
Zaxq✭✭✭
our NB's maintain 700dps
Thats lovely, but i guarantee those sustained 700dps NBs of yours would do significantly higher sustained dps as either a DK or a Sorc.
The fact that good players can do decent damage with a broken class is a bit moot when those same players can switch to one of the 2 better classes and pump out higher sustained dmg without losing any utility/useful abilities.
Thats what makes NBs the poor cousin.
Can they get a guild group and finish the trials? Yup.
Are they in the same league as DKs/Sorcs? no.
Edit: and to hit that dmg, you have to turn NBs into 1-viable-build magicka-based casters. Which highlights another flaw in the game, for a different thread i guess.Edited by Zaxq on May 31, 2014 11:57AM1 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The funny thing about this? I checked the craglorn leaderboards, and all those people that are at the top, that cleared the trials and dungs in 11 minutes, are a bunch of exploiters. I know because I played them in PvP. they would spawn camp, they used EP alts to pull chain their fellow AD players into a keep, they would drive us from a keep, but not cap it, keep the gates closed and try to destroy all the walls, forcing us to waste money, among MANY other things. Don't think these people are actually good, because they are not. They are cheaters and exploiters. Pay them no mind. let them die off so actual Skilled players, can take their place6 -
Hearts✭✭✭NookyZooky wrote: »The funny thing about this? I checked the craglorn leaderboards, and all those people that are at the top, that cleared the trials and dungs in 11 minutes, are a bunch of exploiters. I know because I played them in PvP. they would spawn camp, they used EP alts to pull chain their fellow AD players into a keep, they would drive us from a keep, but not cap it, keep the gates closed and try to destroy all the walls, forcing us to waste money, among MANY other things. Don't think these people are actually good, because they are not. They are cheaters and exploiters. Pay them no mind. let them die off so actual Skilled players, can take their place
Check again, I beat it in 11 minutes and 29 second and im in Daggerfall, NA.. We didn't exploit anything.. Tbh, we could probably even shave of another 30 seconds out of that run.. And no exploiting was done..0 -
samtheman97_ESOSoul ShrivenYou guys realize that if you beat a boss with no deaths you get a five minute reduction to your time. So add twenty minutes and thats the actual time they beat it in.1
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I only play DK and I find the following sicking.
This is not cool. Not the poster, but the fact that he has a reason to search for only DK/Sorcs.Edited by Armitas on June 1, 2014 1:15PMRetired.
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Axer✭✭✭✭samtheman97_ESO wrote: »You guys realize that if you beat a boss with no deaths you get a five minute reduction to your time. So add twenty minutes and thats the actual time they beat it in.
Curious about how this works..
As you can clearly see Alacrity's WR run of Hell Ra, they had 5 deaths at the end, thus should of had some penalty.. Yet they got none, and it also displayed " 0 deaths, new record when they completed.Axer. Main tank and Leader of Crush it! (NA-EP highly skilled trials guild)0 -
Hearts✭✭✭
Curious about how this works..
As you can clearly see Alacrity's WR run of Hell Ra, they had 5 deaths at the end, thus should of had some penalty.. Yet they got none, and it also displayed " 0 deaths, new record when they completed.
5 minute penalty is when you respawn, not when you die.
What people are getting wrong is that Templars and Nightblades are useless.. which is wrong, a few hours ago i was in a raid with a nightblade who does 1.2k sustained single target DPS and his max dps was 1.6k.
Templars do suck however but you cant run trials without at least one..1 -
Axewaffle✭✭✭1.2 sustained and 1.6 peak? I don't think that's possible even heavily abusing animation cancelling...I'm calling bull on that one.2 -
Hearts✭✭✭1.2 sustained and 1.6 peak? I don't think that's possible even heavily abusing animation cancelling...I'm calling bull on that one.
Well I didn't see a recount or anything but he seems to be telling the truth because well, hes not a liar, hes a good player and has no reason to lie and the others backed it up.0 -
Axer✭✭✭✭
Same.1.2 sustained and 1.6 peak? I don't think that's possible even heavily abusing animation cancelling...I'm calling bull on that one.
Forum is filled with boasts of 800-900 + Nightblade DPS.
Yet zero screenshots, zero videos, zero proof.
But DK? Sure.. Posted a 9k DPS screenshot, got another 12k one if anyone cares. Probably they could do 15k prepatch.
1500 single target? Yep my guilds 1 officer does that in his sleep on a crap laptop.
Sorcerers plenty can show 800-900 (Alacrity's video in this thread shows that). None can really easily show 1k+ sustained like a DK.
My (tank) templar does um 100 dps. Maybe 110 with some lucky crits. Not even joking. It's pretty stupid how bad a tank sword and board templar does compared to any class with spells. I mean like STUPID ALL CAPS STUPID.
And I have arguably the rarest sword in the game (Legendary Burning brand - enchant does 99 fire damage).
I can't even kill a trash mob without assistance (in a reasonable time). It's just sad.
Sure I can do 800-1000 AoE with a fire stick spamming impulse. But why do I have to use something that sorcs and DKs are clearly vastly superior at to even kill something.
Games super broken. Why the hell can't weapons kill monsters? It's like they are all made out some kinda physical immune armor, that easily melts the moment fire or magic hits it. Especially casters wearning light armor, light armor makes swords break in half.
Yet next patch:
TEMPLARS NERFED.
NIGHTSBLADE NERFED.
SORCS SMALL NERF.
Ultra under-powered physical weapon skills: Unchanged.
DKs? Probably buffed again.
Thanks ZO. Please nerf my tank templar more, 100 dps is overpowered.Edited by Axer on June 1, 2014 5:36PMAxer. Main tank and Leader of Crush it! (NA-EP highly skilled trials guild)2 -
pknecron✭✭✭PlagueMonk wrote: »
Please take note of the above. ALL FOUR classes should be desired in groups to deal with the content efficiently but that is not what is happening. The other two clssses need to bring something crucial to the table and they obviously are not.
Well the game is called TESAOEO. I like my DK but even I think that Burning Talons is OP. A CC/DOT/AOE all rolled into one. My NB spams Soul Tether as much as I can and it's no where near as effective as the one basic DK skill( nor can I use it more than once per fight IF I have the Ult). Now, I don't want BT nerfed, but I think they need to buff up other skills for other classes.
Edited by pknecron on June 1, 2014 6:16PM0 -
Selstad✭✭✭✭I have to say, what worries me the most is what ever is added to the game, takes 2 seconds to break down and exploit in some way or the other. It begs the question; what QA does Zenimax actually have on the game before they release it? And most importantly, what actions do they have against those that exploit?
My previous experience with other MMO companies is that if they make themselves big enough and have a "big" enough horde of fans, they can pretty much do what ever they want.0 -
The_Drexill✭✭✭✭
Its so disappointing that peoples first thought is some sort of a exploit, its just so damn offensive, especially when you obviously don't understand how the caltrops bug works, and also in the video you can clear see and hear the chat that we put barriers up.
The instant thought of exploits really needs to stop on these forums and in the game its so disappointing, people don't understand a mechanic so they assume exploit.
Also Grats on the 12m time from the EU Boys well played.
Sorry man, but in a game where exploits crop up by the minute, and when the best time under you was what... an hour? What do you think people are going to jump to?
I apologize for calling it an exploit, grats.
Brandizzle - NB
Drexill The Unbreakable - Sorc
For teh covenant.0 -
DeLindsay✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is not an exploit that a few of the very best "raiding" Guilds in ESO are posting crazy fast times with VERY specific builds. It is not an exploit that these Guilds are using a narrow choice of classes/builds in order to post these fast times. It IS however, poor design on ZoS's part that the Trials CAN even be completed in 11 minutes. I would bet we'll see in the coming weeks a posting of sub 10 minutes as these Guilds streamline how they run the Trials.
None of this is really any worry or concern. ZoS will tweak content/classes/etc over the coming months to better suite the game and it's player base. Now, if we saw an 11 minute post of less than 12 (say 8-10 players) and all of those were DK then ZoS would NEED to take a faster approach at balance lol. As new content comes out (new Trials, etc) you can bet they will be of a magnitude harder than the current 2 as it's obvious that the players triumphed over ZoS's initial raid design much faster than they had probably expected.
Can you imagine the expression on some of the devs faces when they first saw a posted time of 11+ minutes? It would've been priceless to be a fly on the wall that day, as they got a cold hard shot of reality as to just how persistent MMO players can be.1 -
Gloran✭✭Since you brought up the Devs reaction, we asked them if it would be legit to skip trash mobs (we didnt want to chance it, so we asked). The official reply stated on a side note: "the average completion time will vary between 30 minutes and 2 hours". It gave me a little giggle putting up that 9 minute clear today.Edited by Gloran on June 2, 2014 5:20AMOfficer of Alacrity
Niwilav - AD Sorc VR12
Nivilaw - AD Nightblade VR120 -
inMorsAeterna✭✭✭It is not an exploit that a few of the very best "raiding" Guilds in ESO are posting crazy fast times with VERY specific builds. It is not an exploit that these Guilds are using a narrow choice of classes/builds in order to post these fast times. It IS however, poor design on ZoS's part that the Trials CAN even be completed in 11 minutes. I would bet we'll see in the coming weeks a posting of sub 10 minutes as these Guilds streamline how they run the Trials.
9 minute clear today
Regarding class balancing; Its more of a weapon balance issue than anything. I would offer you more of an explanation, but I think the fact that Destro / Resto is the most common weapon combo is enough proof in itself to validate my comment.0 -
Although I can see the sarcasm in your comment, you aren't the only one to imply that NB is incapable of surviving hits like the other 3 classes are. I don't know how people even play without taking their own survivability into account. When a player raids you HAVE to be survivable enough that you aren't a drain on the Healer's resources. That said, is it really so difficult to put 2 Glyphs on your 2 rings, one for Armor one for Resists which should put most players over soft cap (30%) for both. You can always have your "glass canon" rings for fights where you won't take insta-gib type damage.
And any NB is welcome to take the Light or Heavy armor ability to give themselves an added "oh-[snip]" button, just like every other class can.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
Doesn't work, Its easy enough for NBs to hardcap both Armor and Spell resists with just abilities. Its the lack of an oh poo button that returns 50% of our health in one or two casts and provides damage mitigation to boot. Without that we have to hope we can make it through huge frontloaded damage in time for the healer to fix us and our hots to take effect. Which I might add none of them work without hitting an enemy first.0 -
Check again, I beat it in 11 minutes and 29 second and im in Daggerfall, NA.. We didn't exploit anything.. Tbh, we could probably even shave of another 30 seconds out of that run.. And no exploiting was done..
You sure ? you didnt skip 1th mobs and sneaked passed the mobs after the frost giants ? Or took horse and skipped the mobs before second boss ?0 -
Hearts✭✭✭Nickdorlandb16_ESO wrote: »
You sure ? you didnt skip 1th mobs and sneaked passed the mobs after the frost giants ? Or took horse and skipped the mobs before second boss ?
nop, didnt skip mobs before first boss and didnt jump over to second boss. If we did all that we could save maybe 40-50 seconds putting us at around 10 minutes. How they got to 9 minutes is beyond me but im going to check out some DPS changes we can make.0 -
Veshal✭✭✭The PTS was available to those who did complete it that quickly for a couple weeks. Most of them had VR12 on the live server, and also I think having several weeks to plan these runs would help immensely.
This is literally the reason why this is happening.Veshal of Elderblade2 -
Hearts✭✭✭The PTS was available to those who did complete it that quickly for a couple weeks. Most of them had VR12 on the live server, and also I think having several weeks to plan these runs would help immensely.
This is literally the reason why this is happening.
Sadly no, not in NA at least, the top three ranked in AA, NA (I dont know who fourth is) didnt have PTS access and we never played there.
The top Ranked in HRC didnt play, Second ranked howeever did (Entropy Rising) and rank three did not nor did rank four.0 -
Vuron✭✭✭✭✭Same.
Forum is filled with boasts of 800-900 + Nightblade DPS.
Yet zero screenshots, zero videos, zero proof.
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/maximzing-single-target-dps-nightblade-vr10-vet-dungeon-topic/
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Spawn✭✭✭With the buffs coming in this patch Nightblades will clearly be the best Ranged Dps, pretty big buffs. Just think outside the box put away those stamina builds and bring out the magickaHexspawn
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