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Trials completion in 11mins?

  • Gloran
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    Hey guys, we tried out some Hel Ra last night, here is the video:
    http://www.twitch.tv/seyocean/c/4351386
    Edited by Gloran on May 29, 2014 9:42AM
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    Niwilav - AD Sorc VR12
    Nivilaw - AD Nightblade VR12
  • Inco
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    Well.. Kudos to the team for the 11 min kill. I think it was some clever work and theory crafting to build a team like that.

    That said.. ZOS pull your pants up and balance the game please.

    No reason why a single class should be the only way to clear high end content. Suck it up and BUFF the dang NB and Templars please.

    I might be wrong, but wasn't the Vampire Exploit mostly using DK's? Gee... I wonder how many DK's made emperor because of that exploit.

    No wonder my Templar doesn't get invites into Trials... my DK buddy got in NO PROBLEM... well it could be worse.. I could have a Night blade.
  • Gloran
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    EU Leaderboard:
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    Nightblade too weak? Can't clear endgame content?
    Looks pretty balanced to me.
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    Nivilaw - AD Nightblade VR12
  • Tankqull
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    Gloran wrote: »
    EU Leaderboard:
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    Nightblade too weak? Can't clear endgame content?
    Looks pretty balanced to me.

    sure can you do it with eveery class but if you want to be really quick NB and templars are restricted two one or two as an absolute maximum.
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  • Minsc
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    Seems EU nightblades are the best :) . 19 mins looks like a decent time
  • Glissando
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    Gloran wrote: »
    EU Leaderboard:
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    Nightblade too weak? Can't clear endgame content?
    Looks pretty balanced to me.

    sure can you do it with eveery class but if you want to be really quick NB and templars are restricted two one or two as an absolute maximum.

    The guy plays a DK,what can you expect?:)
  • Manoekin
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    Glissando wrote: »
    Gloran wrote: »
    EU Leaderboard:
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    Nightblade too weak? Can't clear endgame content?
    Looks pretty balanced to me.

    sure can you do it with eveery class but if you want to be really quick NB and templars are restricted two one or two as an absolute maximum.

    The guy plays a DK,what can you expect?:)

    Ignorant posting 101. Check the AA leader boards and some of the faster kills are with multiple templars and a nightblade (because there's only one in the guild). Also, he's not a DK.
  • Spawn
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    Pretty sure player skill has a lot more to do with everything that people seem to understand, Nightblade's and Templar's have so much more potential then people seem to think.
    Hexspawn
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  • Axer
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    Gloran wrote: »
    EU Leaderboard:
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    Nightblade too weak? Can't clear endgame content?
    Looks pretty balanced to me.

    With a time nearly double that as one with no NBs ? Balanced?

    Nope. Nightblades do horrible dps, and is the most likely reason for the 8 minutes slower completion.

    And yea player skill is the #1 factor here. Not class. But that doesn't mean there aren't massive class imbalances at play here.

    Every NB in that group was probably a pretty amazing player to pull that off. If they were on DKs, the time would of been better, and they would of wiped less leading up to the point they could do that. Plain and simple.

    Plus the group wasnt' exactly all nightblade dps. It was 50% DK/Sorc, 50% NB. And the NBs could very well of all been healers and the templars dps'd (Though that would be even worse with the current nerfed biting jabs heh).

    But please, proove me wrong, I have great nightblades in my guild curious how to do DK/Sorc type dps.

    Only real way to proove it wrong is to post a video of a nightblade fighting any single target, with CLS's DPS meter up on the screen. If one can do that and show 1k DPS, then sure, they can do what DKs do to some degree, though it's obviously a lot harder to do.

    I'd recommend VR5+ Mammonths, they have tons of hp and are easy to dps without a healer, without losing speed.
    Edited by Axer on May 29, 2014 6:09PM
    Axer. Main tank and Leader of Crush it! (NA-EP highly skilled trials guild)
  • Akalukz
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    nerf ultimate gain out of combat.
  • Armitas
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    I think it is pretty clear that the eso community, myself included is entirely unaware as to how to make the nightblade work.

    For those of you that know how to get good, realistic, sustained dps out of a nightblade, or are defending a good mix of nightblades in the trials I am requesting that you post a substantial guide on how to make that work. It is not by any means obvious how to make the night blade work and the forums are replete with examples of this. This is not a challenge, but a request because I think the whole community needs this done.

    (Such a guide should be capable of presenting an expected parse that can be repeated for testing and training by the person learning the build. Example: "You should be getting X dps on this boss, with this build". Might even be good to provide a Mammoth DPS parse so people can practice the build and fulfill the expectations of the build while alone.)
    Edited by Armitas on May 29, 2014 2:05PM
    Retired.
    Nord mDK
  • davidetombab16_ESO
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    in fact nb is a great healer but is has a bad dps.
  • Spawn
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    Nightblades can do like 900dps + which is very competitive they just need to be the right light amour build.

    Anyways for those intrested here is my PoV of our newest best hel ra run

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYq2cimpuw&feature=youtu.be
    Hexspawn
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    Palatine Grade 2 [PvP Rank 36] - Former Emperor
  • Cobrius
    Cobrius
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    Update on EU Archive.
    And yes, that is still 4 Nightblade DPS
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    Cobrius
    Siege Breakers EU
  • Audon
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    And one of those DK's is a tank :)
    Audon - Templar Healer
    Siege Breakers EU
  • Axer
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    Update on EU Archive.
    And yes, that is still 4 Nightblade DPS

    Congrats. Awesome time.
    Also completed the archive last night. Not the best time, we need to take more NBs I guess =)

    Can you share one of their builds for the third boss?
    Axer. Main tank and Leader of Crush it! (NA-EP highly skilled trials guild)
  • whykillme
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    Is it me or did the tornades not damage you guys at all? Am i missing something?

    Don't tell me you're abusing the caltrops exploit...
  • Spawn
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    whykillme wrote: »
    Is it me or did the tornades not damage you guys at all? Am i missing something?

    Don't tell me you're abusing the caltrops exploit...

    Its so disappointing that peoples first thought is some sort of a exploit, its just so damn offensive, especially when you obviously don't understand how the caltrops bug works, and also in the video you can clear see and hear the chat that we put barriers up.

    The instant thought of exploits really needs to stop on these forums and in the game its so disappointing, people don't understand a mechanic so they assume exploit.

    Also Grats on the 12m time from the EU Boys well played.
    Hexspawn
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  • Jaxom
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    Spawn wrote: »
    Nightblades can do like 900dps + which is very competitive they just need to be the right light amour build.

    Anyways for those intrested here is my PoV of our newest best hel ra run

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYq2cimpuw&feature=youtu.be

    Do you have a link to this 900 DPS NB spec? Not being sarcastic, really want to see it.
  • khele23eb17_ESO
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    Spawn wrote: »
    Nightblades can do like 900dps + which is very competitive they just need to be the right light amour build.

    Anyways for those intrested here is my PoV of our newest best hel ra run

    Any dps NOT using a staff in there? O_o
    P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.
  • davidetombab16_ESO
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    fantastic , all in macro with cancel casting exploit, this game is a pure ***. Eso combat must be reworked from start.
    Edited by davidetombab16_ESO on May 30, 2014 6:30PM
  • khele23eb17_ESO
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    Im beginning to think WoW has in fact more playstyle variety at endgame than ESO XD
    Edited by khele23eb17_ESO on May 30, 2014 6:46PM
    P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    We've got eyes on this, folks. Thank you.

    If you nerf dk AGAIN because of qqers I will quit.
  • Jaxom
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    Spawn wrote: »
    Nightblades can do like 900dps + which is very competitive they just need to be the right light amour build.

    Anyways for those intrested here is my PoV of our newest best hel ra run

    Any dps NOT using a staff in there? O_o

    In full light using a resto staff, spamming swallow soul/light with cancelling, keeping cripple up, and using Impale to finish, I can MAYBE keep 400 DPS over 15s, if I'm lucky. Most of the time, I'm near 300 doing that. My gear isn't all that great but I would think with a Purple staff and blue armor (VR6), dps would be a little bit higher.
  • Worstluck
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    Where is this 900 dps Nightblade build?
    Worstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
    ―Madanach
    Elfluck - Dunmer Dragonknight "When I will walk the earth again, the Faithful among you shall receive your reward: to be set above all other mortals forever. As for the rest: the weak shall be winnowed: the timid shall be cast down: the mighty shall tremble at my feet and pray for pardon."
    ―Mehrunes Dagon
    Deadluck -Imperial Templar "Men are but flesh and blood. They know their doom, but not the hour"
    ―Uriel Septim

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  • subecsanur
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    Very nicely done, so any of those 4 NB dps with melee/bow stam build? Or most are Destro / Restro Staff builds?
  • Spawn
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    Jaxom wrote: »
    Do you have a link to this 900 DPS NB spec? Not being sarcastic, really want to see it.

    I've got a screen shot but its not mine to share.

    But EU 1st Guild Siege Breakers did there best AA time 12m45s with 4 NB 3 Sorc 3 DK, 2 Temp.

    They got there night blades doing solid dps in light amour Magicka builds from what i understand and there night blades are out dpsing there sorcs so there you go.
    Hexspawn
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    Palatine Grade 2 [PvP Rank 36] - Former Emperor
  • Selodaoc
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    NB light armor destro build. Good burst but not as sustainable as Sorc Destro.
  • Worstluck
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    I can get that kind of dps with AOE easy, I'm not pro enough to figure out to get 900 dps single target dps :'(
    Worstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
    ―Madanach
    Elfluck - Dunmer Dragonknight "When I will walk the earth again, the Faithful among you shall receive your reward: to be set above all other mortals forever. As for the rest: the weak shall be winnowed: the timid shall be cast down: the mighty shall tremble at my feet and pray for pardon."
    ―Mehrunes Dagon
    Deadluck -Imperial Templar "Men are but flesh and blood. They know their doom, but not the hour"
    ―Uriel Septim

    Daggerfall Covenant
  • Ygaer
    Ygaer
    Spawn wrote: »
    Nightblades can do like 900dps + which is very competitive they just need to be the right light amour build.

    Anyways for those intrested here is my PoV of our newest best hel ra run

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYq2cimpuw&feature=youtu.be

    Awesome! Thanks for sharing the video!
    Ygaer Meister - AD
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