Dear ZOS - veteran levels are killing ESO. Please wake up to this.

steveb16_ESO46

CerberusCRW wrote: »

When I started playing this game, I thought that by "visiting other faction's territories", they meant we'd get to explore them as members of our own selected faction. I thought the quests would be more like bounties, similar to what you'd find in Cyrodil (PvE bounties of course). I thought they'd have us invade enemy territories: Spy, infiltrate, assassinate. Or perhaps they could send us undercover to deal with other plane-threatening matters arising in these hostile territories.

That's what I imagined. But that would have involved doing new content. This whole cheapskate hand-waving is adding new layers of meaning to the term 'lame'.

black-gryphonb14_ESO

Only recently made VR, and found going from VR1 - 2 very easy and haven't even finished the quest lines in the first area of AD yet (this also includes starting island). Still working towards VR3, but in no rush and I'm also finding plenty to do with my other crafter alts - all who have slightly different builds which make things interesting again.
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Honestly, the minor glitches aside, I can't really see what people are complaining about. I've barely done a third of PvE, very little PvP, and only a handful of dungeons (and I've got nearly 18 days 'played' on my main). If anything I'd say leveling is too fast - people should not have hit VR, let alone VR10 in the first week or so. To them I have to say - it's your own fault if your not having fun - please - do not let your complaining and singled-minded game play ruin it for the rest of us.

Yes, there are glitches and I expected this - and I know they will be worked on. I have found the quests to be both fun and engaging; and while I say graphics are not what makes or breaks a game for me - I have to say the graphics of ESO are by far the most beautiful MMO I've ever played and on par with, and is even better than many stand alone games.

So far I'd have to give ESO a rating of around 9 out of 10. My biggest complaints if I were to list them would be 1) Enchanter leveling seems excessively difficult compared to other crafts; and 2) Would much prefer the launcher program would give an overall patch size so I could more easily decide as to patch at home or travel to the library as anything over 1gb takes over a day to download at home. Nothing's worse than doing 2 50mb files and then finding a 2gb file and no idea what if anything comes after.

BrassRazoo

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

That's what I imagined. But that would have involved doing new content. This whole cheapskate hand-waving is adding new layers of meaning to the term 'lame'.

Not sure if this is a possible spoiler, but beware,

I actually don't mind the idea about experiencing the other Alliances, especially after you have done 1-50 and see how they all put asside their differences for the greater good.
What I would have liked, while doing the "alternative" Alliances, was a bit of a refresher, maybe cut scenes showing my original decisions and how they supposedly had an impact on other Alliances at certain points would have been great.
I mean if Caldwell wants us to "see" how tings "could" have turned out .. then show me.

SteveCampsOut

AlexanderTheGreat wrote: »

4. You realize the more people that leave the more likely this game will go F2P? F2P games have the worst communities.

Frankly this community hasn't won any prizes with me yet. I think MMO's in General are loosing the ability to have communities because people are loosing any real sense of connection with people via the internet. Its kind of the nature of the internet beast that makes it so. I don't know how to fix it either.

shehieb17_ESO

Noobie wrote: »

doesnt help at VR 1 you need 400k to level, VR 2 you need 900k so on and so on

You are wrong in one thing: as VR xp amount increases, the XP acquired from quests increases as well, to accomodate 10 VRs for 10 zones completed.

Thing is, questing... sorry, grinding in zones endlessly by doing same three types of nonsense everyday - world bosses, public dungeons, cities/outposts as a markers on map - is boring as hell.

madstoogb16_ESO

have to admit I just hit vet rank 4, and then seeing I need another 1.8 million xp to get vr5 I just turned off the game and played something else..

The quest grinding is so mind-numbing and boring, I mean I thought classic wow was bad but I enjoyed that way more than this, least you could grind dungeons and get loot and stuff. You get 6k vet points for a quest? wtf is that about... I know some quests give more but they are so limited.

Just the thought of having 8.. 8! more vet levels to go just puts me off the thought of playing.

madstoogb16_ESO

shehieb17_ESO wrote: »

Noobie wrote: »

doesnt help at VR 1 you need 400k to level, VR 2 you need 900k so on and so on

You are wrong in one thing: as VR xp amount increases, the XP acquired from quests increases as well, to accomodate 10 VRs for 10 zones completed.

Thing is, questing... sorry, grinding in zones endlessly by doing same three types of nonsense everyday - world bosses, public dungeons, cities/outposts as a markers on map - is boring as hell.

This. I agree.

Specially when you have to talk to 6+ npcs all across the map just to receive 6k xp..

zaria

First I'm VR2 in the VR2 zone for AD so I'm into the Ebonheart zone, I generally like questing, understand why people dislike the first Ebonheart zone.
Find the second more fun, far better stories and more variations,
One bonus in VR is that you can roam more, I tend to explore a lot.

As AD I have no problem with quests here, however as a Khajiit I hate Dumer and tries to get them as focus for the PvP

Censorious

madstoogb16_ESO wrote: »

shehieb17_ESO wrote: »

Noobie wrote: »

doesnt help at VR 1 you need 400k to level, VR 2 you need 900k so on and so on

You are wrong in one thing: as VR xp amount increases, the XP acquired from quests increases as well, to accomodate 10 VRs for 10 zones completed.

Thing is, questing... sorry, grinding in zones endlessly by doing same three types of nonsense everyday - world bosses, public dungeons, cities/outposts as a markers on map - is boring as hell.

This. I agree.

Specially when you have to talk to 6+ npcs all across the map just to receive 6k xp..

OMG yes! I just did one of these this morning for 3k.
Kill 10 mudcrabs, get a book off some guy deep inside Elden Root (He even took his time about getting it) then go to the docks and collect a bag of 'magic stuff'.
Mind numbing - that's my questing over for the day - maybe forever.

madstoogb16_ESO

Censorious wrote: »

madstoogb16_ESO wrote: »

shehieb17_ESO wrote: »

Noobie wrote: »

doesnt help at VR 1 you need 400k to level, VR 2 you need 900k so on and so on

You are wrong in one thing: as VR xp amount increases, the XP acquired from quests increases as well, to accomodate 10 VRs for 10 zones completed.

Thing is, questing... sorry, grinding in zones endlessly by doing same three types of nonsense everyday - world bosses, public dungeons, cities/outposts as a markers on map - is boring as hell.

This. I agree.

Specially when you have to talk to 6+ npcs all across the map just to receive 6k xp..

OMG yes! I just did one of these this morning for 3k.
Kill 10 mudcrabs, get a book off some guy deep inside Elden Root (He even took his time about getting it) then go to the docks and collect a bag of 'magic stuff'.
Mind numbing - that's my questing over for the day - maybe forever.

yer, i don't mind questing, but having to do every quest in a zone just to get a level.. the main quest for the zone should give more xp and so should the dungeons bosses and dolmens.

My brother plays eso as well since early access, hes only lv 34, he does 10-12 hours days at work.. I said too him he prob never see vr10 lol, the levelling process for vet levels is just so time consuming.

Cant understand why they added 2 more vet levels when there are so many things broken in this game.. adding new content to a broken game just seems insane to me.

Zarkaz

I enjoyerd my leveling to v10 and later to v12, every single bit, it was fun and challenging sometimes, i think that last rpg game that gave me satisfaction for each killed opponent was DA:O.

Landscapes, npcs, quests, combat, evertyhing in ESO is so well made.

You people should forget about XP, think about journey in the middle of last V zone you will get v10. I only noticed that mobs dont give much xp around V9 when i installed addon, i just did everything on map, hate to leave something blacked out. Why would you care about xp per quest\mob gains when eventualy you guarantied to level cap.

Spryt

I really feel like Vet ranks was a huge misstake. I don't mind the leveling taking time but vet levels have basically killed any will to make any alt. To be honest I am having a hard time to motivate leveling my only vet 3.

I like the story, quests and exporing each area but would have much rather have done it on 3 different alts. I hate the idea of having to do all three faction areas again should I ever want to try a different class.

I have no good ideas how to fix this. Only option for me would be;

Remove vet ranks. All areas open up at 50 but are optional. You get no XP but can still get skill points and money for doing quests or getting skyshards.

Make vet ranks into dungeon ranks. Works like PVP ranks. As you do dungeons/raids you gain rank and skill points. So you can still get skill points even if you choose not to do other factions. Could have daily dungon quests to help out.

navystylz_ESO

Sociabear wrote: »

I am glad it takes time. No one remember trying to level in EQ or Daoc ..
MMO's are a time sink , I'm glad a game has brought that back finally. Group up with friends , grind and just relax and have fun. If you don't have any gaming bros, form a group do the same thing. How do you think old school mmos had such a tight community? Because they spent hours playing together chatting about whatever just relaxing and having fun. I've been playing with the same guys for going on 8 years...

So in summary..this is what a true mmo used to be. Time do consuming, fun and about making friends online to play with. If you don't like it, mmos are not for you. Mmos over the last decade have not been a true representation of what an Mmo really was years ago and should remain. A niche community of "nerds"

And we don't want to. There is a reason games moved away from that model. Maybe if there were significant challenges to be had while at lower levels this could be an option. But as it is (well in other games, not ESO) those challenges come in the elder game.

navystylz_ESO

Haven wrote: »

Not to derail the thread. But how would you guys do veteran ranks if you could choose? Like. What would you do different? [Note this is a honest question.]

Games that don't have challenging content or something to break the monotony of leveling shouldn't make the leveling that long. The dungeons don't cut it. Especially since even THOSE give you little to no reward most the time.

navystylz_ESO

Melian wrote: »

GougedEye wrote: »

Well maybe for a fraction of the userbase this is true. Others have friends, family, hobbies and you know, things to do. Just want to have fun and not looking to make a game their major life commitment. But each to their own.

Not sure who will be paying for your servers, and development teams when ESO is a small niche community though. But good luck with that.

Typical stereotype and untrue. I like the old-school feel of this game and I have friends and family (rather a big family, actually), and as for hobbies - this is a hobby.

Does feel old school Old school had more fun, better stories, challenging things to do besides just questing. Leveling was something that happened for playing content. Not so in ESO... ESO is just boring same repetitive quest grind, no ability to pvp without being outmatch by higher VR, broken skills (like bat swarm spam did and caltrops still do), and classes that don't work. Can't play how you want, the dungeons are interesting maybe first time through. Their drop rates for any reward is horrible (ya we really love those whites and soul gems).

And then you get to top level and STILL no decent challenge, still pvp is broken by the other issues, still can't play how you want, and trying to get special drop sets are even worse.

navystylz_ESO

torplin wrote: »

While there is no gear grind (for the most part) there is certainly a level grind.

FALSE! I'm not sure why people think because you have to level AND grind new gear, it's not a gear grind. What happened to all those legendaries you had at VR10 once you hit VR12? You gotta grind/buy/farm/dungeon crawl, whatever ye will to replace with all new legendaries. What happens when VR content is upped to VR15?

In other games at least all your had to do was work towards the new gear. Not level up first, and then work towards it.

navystylz_ESO

Realzyanya wrote: »

At 44 years of age, I just get disgusted with the instant gratification need. Fix it now or I quit! Fine, go ahead! There are some valid points. If you don't object to subpar performance, you add to the problem. Perfectly valid. I don't mind people saying that X issue is ****** up. But whining and crying and threatening to cancel...jeez, take your instant gratification elsewhere! I agree with a lot of the old schoolers - don't take my challenge out because you want to be V50 in 3 months! Difficulty makes you learn your character. It makes you learn when to group. The rewards aren't so tangible except a sense of accomplishment - wow, we finally killed that boss!We kick ***! Give me that any day!

Plane of Hate anyone?

Stop acting like you walked uphill in a blizzard to AND from school and everyone else just wants instant gratification. Who cares about your age. It's nothing special and not even near the age to be to complain about younger generation wanting it easier.

You're missing the entire point of the thread. It's a boring mess of a grind. Grind doesn't mean TIME SPENT! Used in MMOs the grind refers to: laborious, usually uninteresting work: "Copying all the footnotes was a grind".

I bet there would be less complaints about the VR grind if instead of just doing other two faction's crap, it was a story of infiltrating the enemy and sabotaging their war efforts against your faction. But no... it's pretend you're the other two factions and do their generic crap parallel to the stuff you already did. There's no progression of story, there's no feel of being strong after what you did in Coldharbour.

SilverWF

They are fixed Kardala so all I have now is stupidest billion-quest exping with quests what gives you 2-3k VP. Great, just great.

Quest must gives you reward what is really worth of wasted time on it, but not in TESO.
It was kinda stupid joke while you can receive 200 EXP in Rift (40+ Pact zone) after some quests.
God, why I didn't know my reward before I can take quest? I will not take such pointless quests!

But now in veteran zone I need to run there, then there, kill some strong mobs, spent 15-20 minutes of my life just for 2k of veteran points? Are you kidding me? Who created this sh!t?

Do you understand, what ppl farmed Kardala not because all of them just love exploits and bugs, but because your alternative - questing - is more boring than stupid_same_mob_farming?

There is quest in Rift where you need to kill some named mob. It gives you only 200 EXP per kill, but it can be oneshotted and nearly have no respawn time. I'm farmed him untill it becomes gray to me, coz it not so boring as ordinary TESO questing!

Quests by itself are good, nice lore, nice texts and directing but... rewards are not worth of spending time - there is only few quests what have really good reward. All another are like: "I'll better will grind mobs for this time". Sure it was possible until veteran, cos here all mobs will give you 106 VP only. Lol.
ZO forces us to make mindless quest farm.

Does ZO planning to change here something?

NaughtyDog

@JoyEnergiser‌ If you actually read ALL the posts (which you obviously did not), my reply to one of the post did state that I have a job, and I play 4-5hrs after work. If you are not going to contribute anything meaningful to the discussion, please refrain from commenting.

@Guppet‌ There are actually videos on youtube right now explaining how you can level from lvl1 to Vet1 in 24hrs. After the first 20 levels, you get the idea how to level more efficiently.

Lvl1-Lvl 50 should take around 20hrs
Vet1-Vet5 should take around 32hrs
Vet5-Vet10 should take around 46hrs

I am currently seeing how long it would now take my vet10 alt to lvl to vet12. Honestly, I believe you can even lvl faster then my time above, especially if you know what you are doing.

reggielee

not looking forward to the vet levels if only for the whole throw out the main storyline.......... for that reason I started an alt with a new class in a different zone as my main neared vet. Gonna delay as long as possible any more annoyances. I enjoy just rambling around, looting, questing, exploring, the slow tick of skill points and planning builds.

p.hurst1b16_ESO

The exp gain in VR is fine.

THINK about it.

1st Campaign : level 1 to 45 to finish and then on to the Coldharbour quests.
2nd Campaign : VR 1 - 5. So 5 levels over 45 levels of content. Each rank is more like going from lvl 41 to 50. Takes a while but that is it.

On we go. You learn VR levels slowly but you play lots of content.

Here is my protip for you if you are not enjoying it...

Make friends and tackle the content in small groups. That is the way we always used to play. Play that way and get on ts or something cheaper and have some fun and build up your co-operative skills and get ready for the trials by knowing your friends and knowing your builds and learning to communicate. Before grumbling at me for this suggestion go and try it.

Reason some stay in an MMO for many years no matter what is due to freinds you adventured with. It builds up memories. Later on you look back at the shared experience happily. The community is very important so for all the solo types, learn to co-operate and make life easier and you just might discover how much fun an MMO can be.

SilverWF

p.hurst1b16_ESO wrote: »

The exp gain in VR is fine.

In old Kardala.
All another is not.

kasain

I would like the caps to go up if I lvl. We get no skill point, no + attribute, and the mobs get strnger. So its not like personal growth. They could even made our skiills that cap at 50, go up to 52 for V1 54 for v2 and so on. This could of been cool. Some type of personal growth.

Or Vet only skill line.

But we get nothing but a costume. And I do say hogwash to a few fights that you couldn't solo on Vetren. Getting the kings soul back with all those ghost was one. The vampire who releases the girl from chains after you kill 60+ mobs in intervals of two or three. The skeleton fight with the demonic undead attacking the countess was another.

So yea a handful of fights, I doubt any soloed. There were a few others as well.

But the main thing is personal growth where. More like personal gimpness as mobs lvl and we don't.

Guppet

reggielee wrote: »

not looking forward to the vet levels if only for the whole throw out the main storyline.......... for that reason I started an alt with a new class in a different zone as my main neared vet. Gonna delay as long as possible any more annoyances. I enjoy just rambling around, looting, questing, exploring, the slow tick of skill points and planning builds.

I honestly would not put off leveling through Vet levels. It's not going to be anytime soon that they speed up the process from VR1-10, so may as well just decide on a main, give up on alts and bite the bullet.

It's likely to be a couple of patches before they finally get the message that they need to speed it up, by that time you would have gone what 12 weeks not playing your main. You would hit VR10 in half that time, if you just bend over and grease up now.

Strontium

Please wait until I finish these zones before you nerf it for the whiners. Thanks.

Kyrielle_Atrinati

It's not that bad. I liked questing, but I will agree that it gets monotonous after a while.

However, I don't know if you folks have realized this, but you can get significant returns now on running veteran group dungeons (not the ones in Craglorn).

Banished Cells grants 201k xp per clear. Spindleclutch grants 364k xp. Consider that with an experienced group, you can complete these in 20-25 minutes, that's 874k xp/h for Spindleclutch and 482k xp/h for Banished Cells. And that's on the 25-minute end of the spectrum.

I imagine Fungal Grotto and tier 2 of veteran dungeons give even more xp per hour.

Is it as maddeningly efficient as the Ruins of Kardala? No. Is the loot as ridiculously awesome? No. But it's not questing and will level you faster than questing.

Strontium

Well, from what I hear they nerfed the boss exploit in Fungals so good luck with that...

LoPony

I'am playing NB V10 right now, but since V6 or 7 I'm just using my hide ability to skip every mob that is not a dungeon boss or quest mob. I'm just running trough that 3rd faction content like a stupid-quest-zombie, because I cant enjoy it anymore!

Its just always the same! Every quest looks the same (story may be different but I refused to read or hear them): speak with someone, kill something, speak again, kill again, go to dungeon/house/whatever, kill the boss, speak again and get vp/exp and some useless green item!).

I'm bored, this game misses alternative content that distract me from the questing-train there is just nothing else to do then PvE questing, zerging events or zerging pvp ... oh well there are instances ... boring too!

Gisgo

Kyrielle_Atrinati wrote: »

Banished Cells grants 201k xp per clear. Spindleclutch grants 364k xp. Consider that with an experienced group, you can complete these in 20-25 minutes, that's 874k xp/h for Spindleclutch and 482k xp/h for Banished Cells. And that's on the 25-minute end of the spectrum.

Sounds good but you can get one million and a half xp/hour by running anomalies while half afk.

Im still waiting for a MMO that adds new content without raising the level cap.

Personally as a pvper i would enjoy the pve part of the game much more if i could take it as a side activity: take a break from pvp and visit Tamriel: sounds good, i like it, it adds depth to the world and i can meet new players.

At the moment pve is something i must do in order to reach the cap and get back to Cyrodiil, hence the hate for it.

Strontium

The pve aspect isn't so bad. I just find distaste in doing the same quests I did in my own faction over again x2.