DK Bash nerf for PVE is unacceptable

penguinlaraub17_ESO

Cogo wrote: »

davidafox79_ESO wrote: »

My weapon with a 1h does little to no damage so bash was the only reasonable way I could survive soloing while questing. This nerf I died after my 2nd pull. Didn't realize you TOTALLY killed the DPS of bash. I consider this unacceptable and is a deal breaker for me. I thought this game wasn't just going to cater to PVP. WOW2.0?

I play just 1 char. Plain tank. 1h and shield. The shield specificly states that if you interupt your enemy, your shieldbash does a good amount of damage. if not, its a SHIELD BASH, hurts a little. takes a lot of stamina.

This is NOT a nerf. This is a fix, and I say that from tanking and soloing every day. Past few days I been soloing without shield bashing everything to death in 3 bashs.....it works you know.

I tried bow as another weapon. worked even better, since tanks mostly can run fast, we can kite mobs.

Please READ the discription of the skill before you whine about it. Or do you think it was right for vampires to kill 50 people in one go? Was that a nerf?

Common. Shield bash is an interupt. and does damage WHEN IT INTERUPTS. Your weapons, magika, teammates are the one who does damage. Not your shield......is that so hard to understand?

So a 75% Damage nerf was needed? Or double the stamina cost? Yes the cost went up, not down as stated in the patch notes, go test it. Even when used as an interrupt it does around 50% less damage than before.

nickster2112b16_ESO

wrong thread

One Two

Zarkaz wrote: »

Oh poor DeeKays, can't spam your way to glory now ? Good.

he he he

Maverick827

Zarkaz wrote: »

Oh poor DeeKays, can't spam your way to glory now ? Good.

I realize the thread says "DK," but you should be smart enough to know that any class could have been specced for shield bash.

davidafox79_ESO

True I did put DK. That's where my mind is at. Bash is a universal thing. I have great gear also in the VR5 zone but it I can't kill anything to level I don't want to play. That isn't fun.

charley222

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Emencie

Maverick827 wrote: »

Zarkaz wrote: »

Oh poor DeeKays, can't spam your way to glory now ? Good.

I realize the thread says "DK," but you should be smart enough to know that any class could have been specced for shield bash.

Yup and While most DKs are still OK because even with the nerfs they have some of the best skill lines, magicka to damage ratios and still have the best CC in the game... There are a ton of us who were not DK tanks, do not have those DK abilities and were hit very hard by the bash nerf.

I'm a heavy armor wearing werewolf sorc tank that used sword and board...

I think I need to give up with the whole every class can play every role Idea... and just get a damn staff.

MrBeatDown

Emencie wrote: »

I think I need to give up with the whole every class can play every role Idea... and just get a damn staff.

They have consistently catered to the staff users since release. They probably even made the bats ultimate combo on purpose just to have fun. Now craglorn will be a failure. probably 95% of the tanks are just going to quit. Whos gonna be your tank now? Have fun in craglorn with trials.

Epo

davidafox79_ESO wrote: »

I consider this unacceptable and is a deal breaker for me. I thought this game wasn't just going to cater to PVP. WOW2.0?

That is realy unacceptable, now i need 2 hits to kill the enemy...

Tanthul

So you all think there was nothing wrong with doing more DPS than anything else in the game while not taking any damage at all? 1H and Shield is a defensive line. It should not do the amounts of damage it did. You are either supposed to tank or do damage. Not do both at the same time and better than anything else available while not even needing a skill slot..
So you just have to play normally now. Like everyone else. Either build as a tank and rely to others for damage output, build as a damage dealer, build one spec of each, or build a hybrid. Want to do heaps of damage to groups? Use destro staff or 2handed with class synergies. Want hybrid? Use something like resto staff with class skills. Use synergies. Most of you were so used to kill everything with the broken bash damage while taking no damage that you can't think of anything else. Well it was never supposed to be that way..Everyone else in the game not using the broken shield bash spam was experiencing the game you are experiencing now. Everyone knew bash damage would be fixed. It was at the top of the "broken" list. And I won't even mention the casting while bashing exploits...

Reykice

Shield Bash was OP, so OP that EVERYONE USED IT. Sword + shield is a defensive weapon.... use it as such don`t expect it to do the best dps.

That`s what it was doing, it was doing the best dps out of all the weapon skills... now it just does what it was designed to do AKA help you survive. If you still want to use it as a DPS weapon you will die.

You want to use stamina and melee weapons for DPS? Go DW or 2h... DW even got a buff + they added a set that adds 18% weapon damage... good times. Welcome to the world of those who are not OP as ***. Enjoy!

Neoklis

Zarkaz wrote: »

Oh poor DeeKays, can't spam your way to glory now ? Good.

oh you mean no one else spams skills? Templars have that sun lance skills (w/e it's called) sorcerers spam AoEs how is one spam diff from other?
But that's not my point.. This so called "Elder Scrolls" Online, should of never been released at the time that it did. If all the skills are getting "fixed" now, they were that way in beta, no? Yes, hence why weren't they fixed before launch.
I've said this in a diff post, skill is used in a way it wasn't intended to in PvP? Adjust it in PvP not PvE, stop taking the easy way out and stop "fixing" skills in one single sweep b/c it's quicker or easier or w/e. Other games can separate the two, so should you be able to and if you are not maybe it's time to hire someone that can. I had a 90 recurring sub, just cancelled it, to show my disappointment with games current state. I hope the game will be fixed and soon.

davidafox79_ESO

So when you are soloing how do you rely on others to DPS? This game was "designed" so everyone could do what they want. I want to go around by myself, kill stuff, get loot, smile while being brain dead from work, rinse and repeat. I don't do any PVP and I didn't know it was OP because it's all I've done since inception. I can no longer "do what I want" in this game because I need to get help? That doesn't sound fun to me.

Zarkaz

Maverick827 wrote: »

I realize the thread says "DK," but you should be smart enough to know that any class could have been specced for shield bash.

Yes, i am templar who using S&S in both loadouts and i spamed bash a lot, it was cheap and OP ability, glad it is nurfd.

Eivar

lolz for the people who think that reducing the reduction means the cost is going down :P

Maverick827

Zarkaz wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

I realize the thread says "DK," but you should be smart enough to know that any class could have been specced for shield bash.

Yes, i am templar who using S&S in both loadouts and i spamed bash a lot, it was cheap and OP ability, glad it is nurfd.

You're glad that an entire skill line is useless and a lot of people can't even advance their characters anymore from being too weak? Kind of an ***, eh?

ozgod22_eso

davidafox79_ESO wrote: »

My weapon with a 1h does little to no damage so bash was the only reasonable way I could survive soloing while questing. This nerf I died after my 2nd pull. Didn't realize you TOTALLY killed the DPS of bash. I consider this unacceptable and is a deal breaker for me. I thought this game wasn't just going to cater to PVP. WOW2.0?

This wasn't a nerf, it was a fix. You were fixed.

processedmeatman

Nobody gives a *** about Bash in PvP. It's useless in the actual game now.

Emencie

Basically it comes down to this... It was dealing too much damage that much is clear. The glyphs were doubling, making the damage insane, animation canceling was making the skill able to be used far too often, and block casting makes killing a blocker very hard...

They didn't fix the block casting, they changed animation canceling but only for bash leaving the problem. They removed the effectiveness of glyphs so much so that they are worthless, a 25 bash damage glyph gives less than 5 damage increase. Then they nerfed the damage on bashing... not deadly bash... all bashing across the board so even if you are withing the rules and using it strictly as an interrupt it deals less damage than a light attack.

So they didn't fix anything. They just took a skill/passive that was performing too well and may as well have removed it from the game. That isn't fixing, that is just throwing dirt on the problem and hoping people forget about it.

I'm not even sure what deadly bash is for anymore it makes no sense at all to take that passive.

krakow2000

Bash nerf is very good. On pvp bash can hit 800 dps in 1 hit!!! Find me other skill even 2h weapon hitting that hard, ppl just spam this 1 skill now when bash cost more and do less dmg will be used correct not for DPS but for interrupt.
Too much job is to nerf skill on pvp but do nothig on pve.
PPL will survive wichout insane dps of that skill...

Zarkaz

Maverick827 wrote: »

]You're glad that an entire skill line is useless and a lot of people can't even advance their characters anymore from being too weak? Kind of an ***, eh?

If you used S&S line to only spam bash... I use it for mitigating damage and use other lines abilities to do damage. May be i use that skill line wrong ? Having extra enchant slot and set slot with armor on it is kinda nice, if players can't progress their characters anymore because of bash nerf they obviously need l2p.

davidafox79_ESO

So lower it for PVP. I don't care. I go around killing mobs. Nobody cares if I hit a tiger with a shield. I don't consider it a fix when it's useless now. Mobs eat my D!ck now even with the shield. If I spend most of my time holding my shield up to block damage how long will it take to kill something?

davidafox79_ESO

Zarkaz.....I was waiting for the learn to play comment. I know WTF I'm doing. The mobs are killing me way quicker than I can kill them no matter what skills I'm using. Something is broken in the VR5 area.

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO

Nerf is totally fine.

Seeing bash users killing mobs in seconds, while I needed double to triple the time was always so annyoing.

For example V5-10 trolls. I was fighting for minutes against one til an bash user arrived and bashed him to death within 10 seconds.

If you cant stand a chance now, you`re just on par with others now (except dks. My dk laughs at mobgroups, where my sorc or nb where fighting for their lives the whole fight (except using impulse spam, thats another story))

Zarkaz

davidafox79_ESO wrote: »

Zarkaz.....I was waiting for the learn to play comment. I know WTF I'm doing. The mobs are killing me way quicker than I can kill them no matter what skills I'm using. Something is broken in the VR5 area.

Vet mobs were buffed, probly unitentionaly so it is not bash nerf fault.

Tanthul

davidafox79_ESO wrote: »

So when you are soloing how do you rely on others to DPS? This game was "designed" so everyone could do what they want. I want to go around by myself, kill stuff, get loot, smile while being brain dead from work, rinse and repeat. I don't do any PVP and I didn't know it was OP because it's all I've done since inception. I can no longer "do what I want" in this game because I need to get help? That doesn't sound fun to me.

Do you actually think that anyone else has a different experience on solo? Solo was and is hard (even harder after the patch due to the boosted mob hp and damage), except if you used the broken shield bash damage output. This was not supposed to do that much damage in PVE is as well. It's not about PVP. It's that 1H-Shield, being broken made it a mandatory weapon overshadowing everything else. It was literally a I-Win button when it was never intended to be that. Solo play PVE you're supposed to play like the rest of us. Use CC, defensive abilities and damage abilities that synergize with each other. You were never supposed to just stand in front of every mob and shield bash spam it to death.
You can hold a restoration staff and fill your bar with healing skills. You'll do awesome healing but your damage output will be bad. Same concept is with shield. You can take a beating but your damage will be bad. You can still use it defensively and for interrupts like it was supposed to be used. But you now have to properly rely on actual damaging skills in order to do damage.
Do you seriously believe that being able to take almost no damage and dish out more damage to a mob than any other available skill at the same time, while not even slotting a skill was fine? What reason would anyone have to use ANY other weapon choice if it was left like that?

davidafox79_ESO

I used bash to interrupt spell casting. I used my other DK skills to kill stuff. Using a shield made damage less for survivability but by no means did I kill stuff in 10 seconds unless it is a mob at a lower level than me. I got to VR5 without doing any of this stuff so I wouldn't be as mad if they made it hard throughout so I could have got used to something else or I might have played another toon. I can't go back and level other weapon skills because lower level mobs don't level anything. I tried today. I'm now stuck with what I chose and I'm not happy with that. I won't be able to progress without help. I didn't join this game to do that. I like the cross eyed and drooling play style. I am not hard core. I like to have fun not bust out an abacus to play a game. I would love to get a healing staff to level 50. It would help. Wish I could kill some mobs to level one.

azerothheroes_ESO

LOL...is all i can say. NO THEY NERFED THE THING I MASH THE MOST...l2p your class...
ok seriously though...
1)all you DK's...for some reason this only affects you?
2)Bash was always intended to be a powerful interrupt...not the same as the swing of a sword.
3) for all you haters i'm a dk tank with sword and shield and i just completed a vet dungeon just fine...find yourself a better healer...ever think your dude might not know how to play his class...after all I'm sure he's a MASTER by 6 weeks of gameplay...you're f****** ***...

davidafox79_ESO

So when you spew hate calling others haters....

Tanthul

@davidafox79_ESO‌ I suggest you hit a couple of dolmens/world bosses. That will easily level up any skill you want to compliment your build with.