DK Bash nerf for PVE is unacceptable

davidafox79_ESO

My weapon with a 1h does little to no damage so bash was the only reasonable way I could survive soloing while questing. This nerf I died after my 2nd pull. Didn't realize you TOTALLY killed the DPS of bash. I consider this unacceptable and is a deal breaker for me. I thought this game wasn't just going to cater to PVP. WOW2.0?

Robocles

Exactly which nerf? The one to the Deadly Bash passive? That only corrected improper contribution from +bash damage enchants.

Somehow I managed so survive today, after the patch, with my 1h/shield setup. Did it occur to you that your shield wasn't supposed to be a major source of dps? Bash is there for the interrupt... and I suppose you could use it to dump stamina... but you have other skills that are better for that.

The argument about how much damage your 1h weapon does is quite a different issue... and one I agree should be addressed.

eNumbra

This is unacceptable; there's no reason beating someone to death with a shield should be less efficient than heavy attacks with actual weapons. Shield bash should definitely hit both faster and harder than a heavy attack with an actual weapon.

Now if we could just dual-wield shields then Zenimax would be on to something.

Emencie

Robocles wrote: »

Exactly which nerf? The one to the Deadly Bash passive? That only corrected improper contribution from +bash damage enchants.

Somehow I managed so survive today, after the patch, with my 1h/shield setup. Did it occur to you that your shield wasn't supposed to be a major source of dps? Bash is there for the interrupt... and I suppose you could use it to dump stamina... but you have other skills that are better for that.

The argument about how much damage your 1h weapon does is quite a different issue... and one I agree should be addressed.

I think you haven't been in the game. Bash deals about 50% less damage now when you actually interrupt the target, when you simply hit the target with it it deals about 75% less damage.

"Bashing now deals more damage on a successful interrupt, and less damage when your target is not casting an ability.

Fixed an issue where bash/interrupt could be used more frequently than intended when it was repeatedly engaged.

Deadly Bash. Fixed an issue where the damage bonus coupled with a “bashing” jewelry enchant was doing too much damage.Slightly decreased this ability’s stamina cost reduction."
They did a bit more than change the glyphs.

davidafox79_ESO

Regular old bash was nerfed. It does no damage at all. The DK doesn't have many skills when you are wearing a 1h and shield that kills 3 or more mobs in enough time to survive. Had I had known that the bash would be severely nerfed like this I would have gone a different direction entirely.

One Two

davidafox79_ESO wrote: »

My weapon with a 1h does little to no damage so bash was the only reasonable way I could survive soloing while questing. This nerf I died after my 2nd pull. Didn't realize you TOTALLY killed the DPS of bash. I consider this unacceptable and is a deal breaker for me. I thought this game wasn't just going to cater to PVP. WOW2.0?

most OP class...got buffed in the patch...but your crying about bash?
oh dear...i will un-sub if someone listens to you and changes it specifically for you DKs.

davidafox79_ESO

Thanks for your insight there one two. I am complaining about bash. It's the style I've used since inception. I haven't leveled or done anything else. I got blindsided by this change.

Akhratos

Robocles wrote: »

Exactly which nerf? The one to the Deadly Bash passive? That only corrected improper contribution from +bash damage enchants.

Somehow I managed so survive today, after the patch, with my 1h/shield setup. Did it occur to you that your shield wasn't supposed to be a major source of dps? Bash is there for the interrupt... and I suppose you could use it to dump stamina... but you have other skills that are better for that.

The argument about how much damage your 1h weapon does is quite a different issue... and one I agree should be addressed.

Wich are those other, better, dk skills to dump sta? If you refering to the class skills you have no clue, if you are talking about the h/s skill tree, you know nothing about it.

Either way, please teach yourself before trying on others.

penguinlaraub17_ESO

Robocles wrote: »

Exactly which nerf? The one to the Deadly Bash passive? That only corrected improper contribution from +bash damage enchants.

Somehow I managed so survive today, after the patch, with my 1h/shield setup. Did it occur to you that your shield wasn't supposed to be a major source of dps? Bash is there for the interrupt... and I suppose you could use it to dump stamina... but you have other skills that are better for that.

The argument about how much damage your 1h weapon does is quite a different issue... and one I agree should be addressed.

Please tell me which DK Class skill line is Stamina base? If you don't know what you are talking about please STFU. In case you are wondering Draconic Power, Ardent Flame, and Earthen Heart are all magicka based.

Emencie wrote: »

I think you haven't been in the game. Bash deals about 50% less damage now when you actually interrupt the target, when you simply hit the target with it it deals about 75% less damage.

"Bashing now deals more damage on a successful interrupt, and less damage when your target is not casting an ability.

Fixed an issue where bash/interrupt could be used more frequently than intended when it was repeatedly engaged.

Deadly Bash. Fixed an issue where the damage bonus coupled with a “bashing” jewelry enchant was doing too much damage.Slightly decreased this ability’s stamina cost reduction."
They did a bit more than change the glyphs.

Spot on. Also while testing it earlier today I noticed that the stamina cost has increased and not decreased as they claim. Used to cost 4-5% to use, not its 8-10%. Besides nerfing the damage to *** on it they doubled its cost.

mwiewandtb14a_ESO

I actually never used an increase bash damage glyph, and so I never was "overpowered". Now however, I am underpowered! Bash was a good finisher for me.. not so much. Now I have alot of trouble with mobs

Xsorus

One Two wrote: »

davidafox79_ESO wrote: »

My weapon with a 1h does little to no damage so bash was the only reasonable way I could survive soloing while questing. This nerf I died after my 2nd pull. Didn't realize you TOTALLY killed the DPS of bash. I consider this unacceptable and is a deal breaker for me. I thought this game wasn't just going to cater to PVP. WOW2.0?

most OP class...got buffed in the patch...but your crying about bash?
oh dear...i will un-sub if someone listens to you and changes it specifically for you DKs.

DK's didn't get buffed

Don't kid yourself

RianaTheBosmer

They balance for PvP. All MMOs do it the same way. Those of us who only PvE will always take the hit.

davidafox79_ESO

Yeah that still sucks though.

penguinlaraub17_ESO

RianaTheBosmer wrote: »

They balance for PvP. All MMOs do it the same way. Those of us who only PvE will always take the hit.

Yea, but nerfin tank DK's to the ground, can't speak for other classes, is just making sure your player base that rolled tank moved on to the next MMO, and there is one just around the corner, 9 days away to be exact.

MrBeatDown

They have basically removed All sword and board tanks from the game. None of us are going to stay. We don't have time for them to fix the OBVIOUS mistake they made by nerfing bash. At the rate they move with fixes for the game, you will probably have to wait for another content patch to be released before they fix the class they just removed from the game. I cant believe they actually nerfed Interrupt Bash. So foolish.

Anrik

So I was reading the forums while the game was patching and was getting really worried about the bash nerf on my DK s/b. I got in to play and yes, bash is completely useless now, but I wouldn't say the class is useless. I still plow through groups of mobs with talons, burning breath, burning embers and ransack. I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

TheJadeFist

... dk bash? I didn't realize they had their own bash

davidafox79_ESO

I am getting *** at VR5 zone. 2 crocs beat me with burning breath etc....they are hitting me for 1/4 of my health each hit even in full heavy armor. Seems like it isn't working like it should.

MrBeatDown

Anrik wrote: »

So I was reading the forums while the game was patching and was getting really worried about the bash nerf on my DK s/b. I got in to play and yes, bash is completely useless now, but I wouldn't say the class is useless. I still plow through groups of mobs with talons, burning breath, burning embers and ransack. I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

You are obviously not a tank. Try to do a Dungeons boss with those moves and see what happens.

penguinlaraub17_ESO

Anrik wrote: »

So I was reading the forums while the game was patching and was getting really worried about the bash nerf on my DK s/b. I got in to play and yes, bash is completely useless now, but I wouldn't say the class is useless. I still plow through groups of mobs with talons, burning breath, burning embers and ransack. I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

What is your level? Because in V5 with softcap health, armor, resists a group of 2-3 mobs can kill you in 3secs. Even using the skills you mentioned you cant kill anything fast enough before you run out of stamina, magicka, and a pot before you kill 2 mobs, 3 is just asking to die.

Therium104

MrBeatDown wrote: »

They have basically removed All sword and board tanks from the game. None of us are going to stay. We don't have time for them to fix the OBVIOUS mistake they made by nerfing bash. At the rate they move with fixes for the game, you will probably have to wait for another content patch to be released before they fix the class they just removed from the game. I cant believe they actually nerfed Interrupt Bash. So foolish.

The nerf was unnecessary and removed a valid playstyle from the game. It is an embarrassment that it occurred. Diversity requires each spec has value. The notion that a tank cannot do damage with a shield is ridiculous. The nerf was brought on by incompetent whiners who want success by complaining to the devs.

This game is going to die in a few months with this level of incompetence. The first order of business is to remove this nerf. This change needs to be reverted immediately or this game is not worth the time investment by players.

You all should not just be mad. You should be disgusted.

usula

the nerf just doesn't affect Dks - its any class using S/B. My templar has the same issue. Not only did they nerf bash but also nerfed the quality of the shield I am using from purple to blue. Guess they hate all shield users.

One Two

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

One Two wrote: »

davidafox79_ESO wrote: »

My weapon with a 1h does little to no damage so bash was the only reasonable way I could survive soloing while questing. This nerf I died after my 2nd pull. Didn't realize you TOTALLY killed the DPS of bash. I consider this unacceptable and is a deal breaker for me. I thought this game wasn't just going to cater to PVP. WOW2.0?

most OP class...got buffed in the patch...but your crying about bash?
oh dear...i will un-sub if someone listens to you and changes it specifically for you DKs.

DK's didn't get buffed

Don't kid yourself

Are you high? look at the patch notes, everything was fixed, hence it is a buff in its own right.

>_> i think i know what you guys want...an auto win button.
that's right lets give DKs an auto win button. Totally under powered now, no one wants to take you to craglorn, let's take the NB instead...since patch that class was fixed AND buffed at the same time, holy $£%!, the DK aint the FOTM anymore...

w.e. Dude.

davidafox79_ESO wrote: »

Thanks for your insight there one two. I am complaining about bash. It's the style I've used since inception. I haven't leveled or done anything else. I got blindsided by this change.

I also played with bash, and it was my sole DPS income for my NB, it was THE SKILL to use to get your DPS up to the DK and Sorc levels...but i knew the nerf to bash was coming and i spend the last week looking at alternatives.
It's the best for everyone.

You DK guys expect to be the BEST at the most minimal effort.

Gilvoth

thank you zenimax for stoping the shield bash from constantly spaming me and killing me as an exploit. i was very angry about this before but now after this patch i can actually move when im facing and fighting some one with a shield.
the shield bash was obviously being exploited and im damn glad zenimax fixed it!

nickster2112b16_ESO

managed to post in the completly wrong thread

Cogo

davidafox79_ESO wrote: »

My weapon with a 1h does little to no damage so bash was the only reasonable way I could survive soloing while questing. This nerf I died after my 2nd pull. Didn't realize you TOTALLY killed the DPS of bash. I consider this unacceptable and is a deal breaker for me. I thought this game wasn't just going to cater to PVP. WOW2.0?

I play just 1 char. Plain tank. 1h and shield. The shield specificly states that if you interupt your enemy, your shieldbash does a good amount of damage. if not, its a SHIELD BASH, hurts a little. takes a lot of stamina.

This is NOT a nerf. This is a fix, and I say that from tanking and soloing every day. Past few days I been soloing without shield bashing everything to death in 3 bashs.....it works you know.

I tried bow as another weapon. worked even better, since tanks mostly can run fast, we can kite mobs.

Please READ the discription of the skill before you whine about it. Or do you think it was right for vampires to kill 50 people in one go? Was that a nerf?

Common. Shield bash is an interupt. and does damage WHEN IT INTERUPTS. Your weapons, magika, teammates are the one who does damage. Not your shield......is that so hard to understand?

davidafox79_ESO

It's not an I win button. While doing PVE you can't take on more than 2 mobs without dying no matter what skills you use in VR5 zone.

MrBeatDown

Therium104 wrote: »

You all should not just be mad. You should be disgusted.

Disgusted doesn't even describe the anger that I now have.

Zarkaz

Oh poor DeeKays, can't spam your way to glory now ? Good.

davidafox79_ESO

A 1 hand weapon does HARDLY any damage. I wouldn't care about bash if I could hit a mob and see it's health move. The magic and stamina skills don't do enough damage to kill multiple mobs. I don't care about PVP. I want to be able to come home from 9.5 hours of work and enjoy playing a game. I don't have time to research all this stuff you guys talk about because I do other things than play too. I was blindsided by this update. Tanking is what I enjoy and now that has been taken from me. If I wanted to do a DPS class I would have rolled a mage or nightblade dual wield.

Therium104

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

You all should not just be mad. You should be disgusted.

Disgusted doesn't even describe the anger that I now have.

Be vocal. A change this stupid (nerf to shield bash) requires an immediate fix and apology from the devs.