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Re: I think events like Writhing Wall are the completely wrong approach to ESOs survival
I played it on the PTR and the mini-trial/dungeon they created looks great.
It is just a shame this will get deleted after 2 weeks. It is a waste of resources in my opinion when games delete content. They should just convert this into a solo arena and add it the solstice zone quest
It is just a shame this will get deleted after 2 weeks. It is a waste of resources in my opinion when games delete content. They should just convert this into a solo arena and add it the solstice zone quest
licenturion
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Re: "Criminal ACT" from Necromancer
The "immersion" arguments don't hold water, IMHO. Especially not within ESO's internal lore at this point.
ESO's own internal lore is that the Mage's guild, which uses daedea for even small tasks, are protecting the land. They are visible in towns and cities. Also, there's a whole race of people who once venerated the "good" Daedric princes.
Necromancers are almost exclusively evil. Mannimarco and his worm cult have put all of Nirn in danger. Zerith Var is not from this era and his order has long been destroyed. He's literally an outlaw as well in his story.
There is not a large group of people publicly showing that Necromancy doesn't have to be evil, like there is with the mage's guild and daedra summoners.
Everyone's free to their own interpretations, ofc. But if you're using Earth logic to inform your opinion of how Nirn should view things, then that's not ESO's internal logic. It's not Cthulhu, it's Hermaeus Mora. And he's helping save reality in ESO.
Re: I think events like Writhing Wall are the completely wrong approach to ESOs survival
Yea ZOS put themselves in a really difficult position. For years and years they've been doing everything they can to get more new players and to keep the solo casuals happy. They keep the majority of the game extremely easy, water down the combat, focus mostly on zone releases, and put a lot of emphasis on events.
I think that a lot of the solo casual crowd is very seasonal. They'll log in for events and they'll complete whatever zone is released. It seems like the majority of ESO's player base is like this now.
ESO would actually have much more longevity by keeping it's endgame scene alive. If PvP combat, balance, and performance were good, ESO would have a steady and profitable population for years. PvP keeps itself fresh even with minimal content additions because every encounter is different. Even Cyrodiil, one of the oldest zones in the game would be thriving still if they gave PvPers some more love.
With endgame PvE, if it wasn't for power creep, update 35, and account wide achievements, there would be a thriving long term population too. People would spend months or even years trying to get certain achievements back when they were difficult and you actually had to strive for them. Even after earning those achievements, some players wanted it on multiple characters or they just wanted to beat their best score so they had more to do. Now combat itself isn't as fun and most content has been trivialized by the amount of damage. Then of course, account wide achievements made replaying content a bit less rewarding.
The devs say they want ESO to last 30 years, but they continue to give long term players the least attention. Giving players good combat, good performance, good rewards, and something to strive for would go a long way.
I think that a lot of the solo casual crowd is very seasonal. They'll log in for events and they'll complete whatever zone is released. It seems like the majority of ESO's player base is like this now.
ESO would actually have much more longevity by keeping it's endgame scene alive. If PvP combat, balance, and performance were good, ESO would have a steady and profitable population for years. PvP keeps itself fresh even with minimal content additions because every encounter is different. Even Cyrodiil, one of the oldest zones in the game would be thriving still if they gave PvPers some more love.
With endgame PvE, if it wasn't for power creep, update 35, and account wide achievements, there would be a thriving long term population too. People would spend months or even years trying to get certain achievements back when they were difficult and you actually had to strive for them. Even after earning those achievements, some players wanted it on multiple characters or they just wanted to beat their best score so they had more to do. Now combat itself isn't as fun and most content has been trivialized by the amount of damage. Then of course, account wide achievements made replaying content a bit less rewarding.
The devs say they want ESO to last 30 years, but they continue to give long term players the least attention. Giving players good combat, good performance, good rewards, and something to strive for would go a long way.
Stamicka
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Re: To ESO's new Direction: Crown Store feedback - what would make us spend more
I would like to see either a decrease in the irl currency cost per crown, or a reduction in items priced in the crown store.
[Housing] Could unlocked Blue and Green-quality Antiquity furnishings please be added to vendors
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There are years of unanswered questions about this, whether it's a bug or what. To the point where it's even leading to some conspiracy theories (I've encountered in Discords and in-game)
After certain conversations, AFAIK now, it's not quite a bug exactly. So I'm making this post here to ask for this officially. And to notify other players: because many don't even realize this until they need to buy an item, which can take years because of the vicious multi-layer RNG. (Sort of a separate problem; link just for reference: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/683736/removing-map-based-leads ) The game generally sets up buyability as an option for unlocked Antiquities (otherwise, what's the point of 3/3?) so I know some players who've been aggravated to learn their months of grinding to unlock a specific item was meaningless. Maybe some Housing folks will learn of this problem just thanks to this post here in the Systems / Housing section.
Personally I've quit West Weald Antiquities due to the combination of these two problems. Likewise in Solstice (and Eastern Solstice is looking dire too):
Can't buy the pieces I was excited about // After testing how bad the drop rates were, I give up - my final data is here. (Don't mind the silly header image, just made to warn other players who may not know what they're getting into – if they happen to search when they finally get confused and frustrated about not getting anything :P like this person for example)
It's sad most of us don't actually get to use most of these furnishings, and it's a waste all around – of the Housing team's great work, and the Housing community's time and goodwill.
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There are years of unanswered questions about this, whether it's a bug or what. To the point where it's even leading to some conspiracy theories (I've encountered in Discords and in-game)
After certain conversations, AFAIK now, it's not quite a bug exactly. So I'm making this post here to ask for this officially. And to notify other players: because many don't even realize this until they need to buy an item, which can take years because of the vicious multi-layer RNG. (Sort of a separate problem; link just for reference: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/683736/removing-map-based-leads ) The game generally sets up buyability as an option for unlocked Antiquities (otherwise, what's the point of 3/3?) so I know some players who've been aggravated to learn their months of grinding to unlock a specific item was meaningless. Maybe some Housing folks will learn of this problem just thanks to this post here in the Systems / Housing section.
Personally I've quit West Weald Antiquities due to the combination of these two problems. Likewise in Solstice (and Eastern Solstice is looking dire too):
Can't buy the pieces I was excited about // After testing how bad the drop rates were, I give up - my final data is here. (Don't mind the silly header image, just made to warn other players who may not know what they're getting into – if they happen to search when they finally get confused and frustrated about not getting anything :P like this person for example)
It's sad most of us don't actually get to use most of these furnishings, and it's a waste all around – of the Housing team's great work, and the Housing community's time and goodwill.
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MoonPile
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Re: Multiclassing needs serious balancing. (edited rant)
This is also the problem ESO faces right now: some people—let's call them "toxic casual players"—consistently believe DPS isn't important and are hostile to those who pursue it.
But it's these top 1% of players who usually provide the meta, write tutorials, and guide new players.
They are the reason for the game's longevity, and it's because of their efforts that new players can grow more efficiently.
Imagine what would happen to the game without these high-level players? Want to complete the trial? Sorry, there's no relevant guide, or qualified tank/DPS/healer. Want to play PVP? Sorry, PVP is also dead because everyone is a low-level player, so the only factor that determines the outcome is the number of people. When the players who wrote the tutorial disappear, the rest can only continue to stumble and grope in the dark until another batch of high-level players emerge, but by then, the game is usually dead.
Want a fun build? That's fine, but Dungeons/Trials are group-based, and you have to consider the cost of your teammates' time. When a team only has to face 12 Xoryn's Chain Lightnings instead of 16, any responsible leader and competent teammates will choose the former over the latter.
Besides, no one objects to fun builds; after all, fun is the whole point of playing games, isn't it?
But what's not fun? A monotonous build lacking in variety. If I could, I'd also like my HM team to have a Frost Mage, a Black Mage, an Archer, and even a Zookeeper, but poor balancing prevents that because the DPS of these themed builds is so different from the Beam build. And that's undoubtedly ZOS's fault.
What is a truly fun build?
1. Sufficient variety.
2. Ability to clear the game's most challenging levels with average DPS (currently, at least 120-130k, with cleave accounting for 70% of total damage).
3. Ability to not drag down teammates or provide sufficient buffs to the team.
Only when all three of these criteria are met can a build be considered interesting. No one wants to be shooting peas at monsters while their teammates are nuking them. And no team wants a player who can only shoot peas. When you choose to play DPS in a group, it's your responsibility to achieve decent (not necessarily the highest) DPS. However, some toxic casual players seem content with just shooting peas and loudly oppose those who do their duty.
"Toxic casual players" are just a result of being forced to play through builds they don't like. And "casual" isn't the right word. A casual player is someone who doesn't want to put in the effort and wants everything done for them. But players who don't want to play through the meta - not casuals. They just want to play more creatively. A casual player is someone who plays DS based on guides (which, sorry, is just lame). Using the most effective build that you've seen on the internet. In the DS community, such players are treated with disdain. In Teso, the situation is completely opposite. Why is a person who plays endgame using guides and builds from the internet not considered a casual player, but a person who tries to learn everything on their own through their unique playing style (which includes the build) is considered a casual player?
Look, you're doing a lot of arguing that all builds can do all content, and you say that you do HMs past RG with all builds as well.
It would put a lot of us at ease if you show us that it's the case. Can you link to a video/log of your Ansuul HM run where several people in group, including at least two of the supports, are not using the meta setup?
If we could show our raid leads that it was possible, then maybe there would be less pressure to only bring a certain setup.
tomofhyrule
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Re: Future of ESO on Xbox. Account Transfer
There are a number of issues around the game that were declared not possible which, due to changing technology, are now becoming possible. Just because the Customer Support team can't currently transfer between platforms or accounts, it doesn't mean that it won't become a thing in the future.
Microsoft have just destroyed their Xbox fan base, and I for one will not be investing in any more of their hardware.
The point is, with such uncertainty now surrounding the whole xbox future, I also won't be spending any real world money on the game in the future either, and I'm sure a lot of players will also be thinking twice about it. We have 4 xbox and eso accounts in our household. This will be a further blow to Microsoft/Bethesda, and PC transfer may become a necessity to keep xbox players in the game.
Nobody who has played the game seriously from launch on console is going to start again and reinvest all that time and money recreating a PC account on a 10 Yr old game.
Microsoft have just destroyed their Xbox fan base, and I for one will not be investing in any more of their hardware.
The point is, with such uncertainty now surrounding the whole xbox future, I also won't be spending any real world money on the game in the future either, and I'm sure a lot of players will also be thinking twice about it. We have 4 xbox and eso accounts in our household. This will be a further blow to Microsoft/Bethesda, and PC transfer may become a necessity to keep xbox players in the game.
Nobody who has played the game seriously from launch on console is going to start again and reinvest all that time and money recreating a PC account on a 10 Yr old game.
Re: Is it time for ZOS to give us an official statement of intentions regarding future vengeance plans?
SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »ZOS keeps using a vocabulary like “experimenting”, etc. It is clear that they are testing different ideas and systems, and none of those has any guarantee of becoming permanent. Vengeance might disappear entirely once all data is collected. I’m not sure why PvPers are panicking so badly, I guess deep inside they know that current PvP is just too broken on many levels.
PvPer's see a ton of money going into the development of features they don't want to see in a FUTURE PvP environment so they've asked for clarity. Panic seems like a stretch but here you are.
PvEers see a ton of money going into the development of features they don't want to see and don't care about. They would rather see a new chapter with more quests.
On what grounds do PvPers reserve the exclusive right to decide what the FUTURE PvP will look like? What's wrong with having regular Cyrodiil and a second, Vengeance-like campaign, both enabled at the same time?StihlReign wrote: »We gave PvErs a simple solution via CP and an easy to purchase 2 pc set to stop them from getting bombed and ganked during events. It was nerfed in record time, about 2 weeks. The info is in the patch notes.
LOL. Since when do PvPers work for ZOS? PvPers have given exactly nothing to PvEers, and now are also trying hard to take away any possibility of an additional PvP mode from those who would welcome such an alternative.StihlReign wrote: »Reading comprehension and objectivity are severely lacking in any Vengeance discussion. Also, the discrimination against PvE mains' voices and opinions, even when they pvp regularly (or used to), is disappointing. It gives an image of a PvP community that is a self-proclaimed elite but one devoid of vision, open-mindedness, and the ability to embrace change.
Also devoid of reading skills.
I'm not a PvP main since beta; claiming on this forum that you're a PvPer is pointless, and it just derails any discussion. Anyway, as I said, I don't care about what happens to the current version of PvP, and yes, I'm not going to play it as it is right now; it's an awful experience.
But I'm all in for testing a potential alternative PvP version. If Vengeance's results help fix the current PvP, then I'm happy for those who enjoy it. If Vengeance becomes a mode in its own right, much enhanced than what we saw so far, then I'm going to play it on a regular basis. If Vengeance gets deleted once testing is over, then I get at least 1 week of PvP every 3 months, while it lasts, that is fun when populations are balanced.
PvE has received an incredible amount of resources from the devs. PvP has one main zone and the devs couldn't be bothered to make even simple changes suggested by the players. Things are left half done, unexplained, ignored, mocked or given some of the worst excuses - while doing nothing, or something no one asked for. Why is clarity an unreasonable request?
This is patently false. Back in 2021, ZOS tested some players' ideas, like disabling crosshealing outside of groups or disabling proc sets, so yeah, devs bother from time to time. They also introduce things no one asked for, but since it's their game, they can do whatever they deem best, whether we agree or not.
Nobody is asking for a blind trust in ZOS, but rather that PvPers chill so they can access clarity of thinking and their reading skills again, and stop jumping to misguided conclusions like "Vengeance will replace all of PvP" or "PvEers hate us and want PvP deleted from the game."
Putting vengeance up as the only PvP option IS, IN FACT, forcing PvP players to do work for ZOS.
You're free to play another game, as, IN FACT, nobody is forced to participate in Vengeance tests. You can just do a week long break from ESO; think of it as an extended maintenance.
How many posts do you think you've made condemning those who've said they refuse to participate in Vengeance? I know I've read at least a few.
You've made it pretty obvious you're stance on vengeance is not a good faith stance.
Re: Would you be okay with Subclassing being rolled back?
SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »10 year player here & find subclassing great fun.
As I have 20-odd characters, have been playing around with some & it’s made them much more enjoyable to play.
Yes, there is a meta - but then there is always a meta, so who cares?
And if it allows people to access bits of the game they felt they couldn’t previously? GOOD.
Not fond of elites.
You don't have to be "elite" to want to play through harder content. And if you want to prog through some of the hardest content in the game, it's not elite to want to have options regarding your build (having at least a couple builds that are within a few percentage difference of each other) to do that content.
I think what this thread showcases is that it's not subclassing itself that's the problem. It's that it was delivered without cleaning house first. And the attitude and disconnect of the devs between "we know it [subclassing] will be unbalanced but we're totally okay with releasing it that way" and "we can't change food/potions because it'll be unbalanced" leaves a lot of mistrust and doubt that there will be any follow through to actually make subclassing well-rounded and a choice vs just an ever revolving door of flavor of the patch. And given that arcanist was top way before subclassing and remains top with subclassing, further sours people who do NOT want to beam but want to prog harder content because it doesn't look like that's changing or being balanced any time soon.
heaven13
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Re: Make all staffs channel
I hate the non channel heavy attack animations. That dumb winding up motion. Im holding a staff not throwing a baseball.