It's Elder Scrolls. Lots of people are here for immersion.

That is also the reason why ability bars, damage numbers and health bars hide automatically when not in combat.

I know a lot people even disable zone or chat all together sometimes if they are questing.

Opt in is better for those who want this stuff.

Despite of pretty much all people hating it(the loud ones) the campaign is full of people and it's very very fun

Just a quick first impression.

Absolutely love it. This is exactly the sort of thing PvP has needed forever. ZoS seems either not able to or unwilling to balance all the sets and fix the 958945303 computations being done with cp+sets+procs+this and that, so this is drastic, but they can easily build off of this base.

10/10 will not play any other campaign than this in the future.

PLUS Necro is actually useful again. Big win.

0 Lag + Equal playing field + useful classes that were useless for ages - huge win in my book. Game on.

albertberku wrote: »

I am going to argue those "veteran PvPers" would stop playing ESO PvP alltogether if there would be ever any kind of balance between classes and builds in ESO PvP. Yeah, of course they like GH more because you can get carried by your god builds there. Vengeance is not boring it is balanced. Talk about build freedom of GH and then use exact same one build together with all sweaties throughout whole patch and then change to the next god build next patch. And enjoy clearing the more casual folk or players that dont go meta easier. Doesnt look like build freedom to me.

All those hardcore ESO PvP streamers with K/D counters on their screen suddenly stopped streaming. Yeah yeah, they dont like Vengeance. That should be the reason

Exactly this. Now it comes to skill and strategy instead of power builds that EVERYONE has to use.

SneaK wrote: »

albertberku wrote: »

Is it that or are you missing your stupid OP Maarselok builds, or DK one shot combos or Damage Skill Line stack subclass meta? Your proc sets to carry your damage for you? Medium armor high sustain, high healing, high dmg, high crit, high mobility, speed cap streak, high hp builds to carry you? Is that what you miss?

Call me crazy but looks like you listed 11 different ways to play…

Jokes aside, anybody who has PvP’d in ESO over the decade remembers when things were not so unbalanced, and likely would jump at the chance to restore balance, however not for the sake of killing build variety (like you listed above).

Everyone always argues about balance when the topic of Vengeance comes up, guess what, Vengeance was not sold on balance it was sold on Performance. ZOS won’t balance Vengeance properly either. It’ll be a watered down mode with a worse meta than what GH will have after U50 drops class masteries. Vengeance will literally wind up being flavor of the month more than any camp we’ve ever seen, just like the tests were with NB. It’s 10 times worse though cause the game is moving forward with all kinds of updates and Vengeance won’t let you access them.

DOA

To be specific, vengeance was sold as a "test" so ZOS could figure out how to improve performance in live Cyrodiil. Now ZOS is saying they're not even going to try to fix ANYTHING in live Cyrodiil and vengeance is becoming permanent. Pretty tough to be OK with this level of deception.

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Four_Fingers wrote: »

When Vengeance finally goes live and the seasoned PvP players that have been sitting it out return, I wonder how long it will be till posts show up whining that they are still getting killed.

Did this actually happen? Lol. I'm genuinely asking because I like to play both GH and the Vengeance test but the only ones that were whining were the GH sweats that didn't have their crutches available in Vengeance, lol

Yeah I noticed alot of people complaining that veng was only for zergs and how it was impossible to solo. Then I and a few others had no issues 1vXing and doing all the same things I normally would. I could still pull people into towers or chokeholds to 1vX. I could make a group and kite enemies into seige spots like trapping enemies in holes then oiling them.

Maybe its just because Im an old PvPer who remembers smallman pvping without all of the handholding most "elite" coordinated groups have with their group stacking sets that give them 10x a normal player's stats while fully immune to all CC. IDK it feels like the 2014-2015 era pvp where you needed map knowledge and actual kiting skills.

Vengeance has NEVER felt anything like live Cyrodiil. It's always been a stripped down zerg fest where the only thing that matters is the size of the zerg. Vengeance has never been and never will be anything like live Cyrodiil. That's why vengeance will never be a legitimate preparation for live Cyrodiil as well.

Get rid of Grave Lord's Sacrifice. Make corpses NOT count as pets. Make corpses last 30 seconds. Make the class script create a corpse at the target with each cast.

That would be a start.

Their decisions make me certain that any dev at Zos involved in pvp does not play in Cyrodiil at all.

I want to talk about how the Challenge system is impacting standard game play. I do not want to discuss who has a right to play or who plays the right way. I am sure there will be those replies that say: ‘I don’t see it.’ Good for you. For the rest of the players, I would like to hear how the challenge system impacts your game play. I am looking for honest comments not contentious or militant responses.

Can there be a way for the challenges to be enjoyed or completed without impacting standard game play?
What are some of your POLITE suggestions for players who feel that playing feels is more like competing with other players than enjoying a MMORPG style game?
Do you feel like grouping is the only answer to getting something done in the game?
Do you feel like the game is pushing group-play more than allowing a player to play their own way?

My experience: Standard questing is only slightly impacted. Most quests can be completed without too much competition or interference. There are points where the player goes to a location that should have many foes and they find nothing, but that is only some types of quests.

Doing a daily fetch quest in a delve/dungeon there could be delays because there are numerous players looking for a quick solution to kill count challenges. Dead boss in delves means one has to wait for a respawn. There is no thrill of the kill because someone of higher level ‘one-hits’ the boss dead. If you are checking book shelves or killing a foe while waiting, you could miss the respawn and have to wait more. (How does a player spawn into the boss fight area directly?)

Exploring is impacted in a bigger way. There is over-crowding at Dolmen and World Bosses. It might seem like easy points for one who is farming the game, but for those who are trying to do the event for the first time on a character or in game, may find managing a couple hits but getting nothing because a group is farming them for points rather frustrating. They can wait for the boss or dolmen to fire up again, but that same crowd returns and takes it down suddenly . . . again and again.

Finding materials is making the nirnhoned issue from Craglorn an issue for everything on every map. Resources are scarcer. Trying to get enough materials to improve your gear or make a pot could feel like an unpaid challenge in itself.

I run solo. Sometimes I group with one or two other players. This is a MMO game that uses a shared map, I understand this; however, sharing a map should not mean sharing a life. I think the answer should not be to force or encourage grouping.